It was the best part of his game at Ajax and he did it once and only once for us, setting up Dalot against Forest in the FA Cup.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Ruben’s rancid reds!!
First of all, i'm not an "Amorim out" guy but after watching Mark Golbridge a few times (was a mistake, honestly) a question came to my mind. Goldbridge claimed that everyone who does not support Amorim is a "low IQ supporter", our players are "low IQ footballers". When someone stated that Moyes had an immediate impact on Everton's performance and results Goldbridge said yes, because Moyes is a "low IQ" manager, Everton's players are "low IQ" players so it's a perfect fit. Ridiculous. So apparently he has "blind faith" in Amorim, he said with a good support from INEOS the portuguese would definitely put us back to the top of the league. I don't really understand his blind faith. Does Amorim have such an illustrious history as a manager? He is full of accolades? No, not at all. He won the portuguese league and a domestic cup with Sporting, the team which have the most expensive squad, the best players in Portugal. And considering that the portuguese league is so weak, in fact 14 team have a squad worth of less than 50 million euro (!!!) I don't see the reason why anyone should treat Amorim as our "saviour". Should INEOS give him 300 million to sign the players he wants? Definitely but it's a lottery. I trust him but i'm a bit more cautious.
“I don’t know if I’m going to be here, but the way we are thinking, we are going to return and we are going to win in the future,” he told Sky Sports
He is the most uncertain, unsure manager we've had
He is the most uncertain, unsure manager we've had
He's just being modest. If you aren't winning games, there's a fair chance you won't be staying here long. That's what he's getting at.
I don't think that's really the point, everyone knows how dire it is and a Europa League win wouldn't change that. However, there is such a level of despair and negativity at the club with the job losses, the league form and the disconnection with the fans that the Europa League would not only be excellent for our plans to turn all this around, but it would be a massive morale boost for everyone.
No one gave us a chance last year in the FA cup final and we did it despite the massive gulf in quality between the two teams. I think the manager, the team and the fans have to start believing we can actually do this but the manager has to instill that belief.
"Boss, I don't know if we can overturn this 1 goal deficit against Real Sociedad at home".
"Aye, you're probably right."
We're 14th in the league, 34 points off the leaders.
What the actual feck is wrong with anyone thinking that the fecking Europa League is any sort of important right now. You want a fecking pass into the Champions League to get dumped out disgracefully once again with less fight than teams from Eastern Europe you've never even fecking heard of?
Urgh.
What the actual feck is wrong with anyone thinking that the fecking Europa League is any sort of important right now. You want a fecking pass into the Champions League to get dumped out disgracefully once again with less fight than teams from Eastern Europe you've never even fecking heard of?
Urgh.
Doesn't sound modest.
What is important right now?
It’s not really about that though. Getting back into Europe improves our budget and strengthens our chances of signing better players. No European football to an already struggling financial team will ruin us.
What would you say is important right now? (Not next season)
I tend to agree with your description though i wouldn't call it spineless, he lacked directness and aggression.
His agent is absolutely right. It wasn't just down to physicality. It was down to literally everything. Not one thing does Antony do at PL level. Its more down to the fact that Antony is a terrible all round footballer.
It's precisely because we are 14th in the league that the Europa League and any other cups are particularly important. We are playing for nothing unless you believe that Ipswich or Leicester are going to gain 16 more points than us in the next 11 games. The league position would have made a lot more sense if we had to chose between winning the EL and winning the league or qualifying to the CL/EL through the league but it's not our situation.
He knows he's the fall guy for ineos when they need one, he's very little chance of succeeding here.
I think it will be a shame as he might be the only actual footballing mind in this club, given the right tools he can construct a team playing attractive, offensive football capable of competing at the high level. He's a modern coach with ideas. Once he's gone we're at the mercy of business geniuses again.
I read someone saying Moyes or Dyche would get us higher in the table right now playing basic football, but it wouldn't further us as a club one inch in the medium-long term. Amorim could actually progress the club, I'm sure it was his idea originally, but he now realises it's not going to happen because we can't afford it.
Without big investment we're not breaking into top 4 anytime soon, unfortunately it is impossible while we're in this debt.
Amorim has not displayed any sort of belief in himself or the players since his first couple pressers/interviews. Don't know why you're expecting that now.
I didn't say anything that contradicted that did I? He has his own free will and willingly chose to accept it. He had a choice.
With good reason.
Nobody could turn our squad into a EPL winning machine, not even Ferguson.
Amorim highlighting the Premier League is encouraging. We know United can knock about in the CL spots and score the odd cup.
We should be prioritising the league.
That's not the expectation. And what are we prioritizing in the league this season?
So you think it will be easier to rebuild the squad without CL money? Of course we have no chance in the CL, or the PL for that matter.
The only thing missing from those quotes was a buzz word/phrase of his own. Sadly, he looks lost at sea. The way things are going, i can't see him surviving beyond the end of the season.
It is disappointing that he hasn't got wiser and more guarded with his answers yet.
Trophies are for egos, as a wise man once said
Yep, so far they've got just about every big decision wrong. Hopefully Ruben is the start of good decisions.
https://en.as.com/soccer/the-huge-s...ed-so-far-in-this-seasons-champions-league-n/
Lists how much money the teams in the UCL earned. Young boys who finished last made almost 19 million Euro. We would probably stand to make 20 million euro range finishing outside the knockout advancement. Nothing to scoff at when you are as broke as United, but I tend to agree with others that Amorim would benefit from not having the extra games and travel to focus on training and the league.
Lists how much money the teams in the UCL earned. Young boys who finished last made almost 19 million Euro. We would probably stand to make 20 million euro range finishing outside the knockout advancement. Nothing to scoff at when you are as broke as United, but I tend to agree with others that Amorim would benefit from not having the extra games and travel to focus on training and the league.
We usually carry more than most and Phil Jones was a factor. But we have for some reason for a long time been prone to defensive injury crises.
That's just prize money, there is also broadcasting rights and matchday revenues.
You criticised him for taking the job now instead of the summer. I’m saying the summer wasn’t an option - it was now or never.
So basically you’re criticising him for wanting and taking the United job. I mean, what kind of United fan takes that view?
I understand what he's trying to say, and factually he's not wrong, but what's the point in saying this now? Seems counterproductive.
There’s honesty and then there’s this, which is an unending cycle of negativity. Europa League is important because it would be a much needed boost for the club but more importantly getting into the CL would be a massively needed financial injection along with being able to offer CL football for potential signings.
I’ll maintain that Jan next year is when his position should be seriously considered if it comes to that but man it’s getting desperate.
I’ll maintain that Jan next year is when his position should be seriously considered if it comes to that but man it’s getting desperate.
He clearly isn't a terrible footballer or he wouldn't be doing well in Spain now, at Ajax before or getting regular minutes in a good Brazil team. Sometimes a player is a bad fit for a club/league or things go wrong personally and they lose confidence.
I hate when people go to the extremes with nonsense like this.
I don't think anyone has expected our squad to win the Premier League since Ole's last season where people wanted a title challenge. That squad has been dismantled and the expectations were lowered to being Europen qualification.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that he’s saying, come on guys. We’re trying to build a team who can play good football, that is the priority. We want to be competing for the league and CL by playing quality football, not just stumbling over a EL trophy.
Probably trying to cushion the blow of bowing out. He knows as well as us that we don't have the squad to win it.
Sad really, as before all the injuries we'd have been one of the favourites.
It can't be used as an excuse for him is simply my point. He had a choice to not take the job. He took the job and can't then complain about wanting to take it at a different date. He wasn't forced.
Aye, that's Amorim's remit:
Build a capable squad and win the league.
The point is it should be the expectation.
What are we prioritising now? Can't imagine much. Avoiding relegation. Some incredible march on Europe.
The wider point remains: winning the league is to be prioritised.
That's beside the point of the conversation. We were talking about Amorim comments regarding this season in the EL, he deemed it unimportant, so it goes against your suggestion about aome incredible march on Europe. We are 16 points above relegation spot.
The actual point of the conversation was that winning the Europa League is important, that's one of the most efficient ways to allow us to have the means to put us on track to win the league in the future.