Agreed it's not that big an issue, his manner with the media has been like this from the start even if it's not my cup of tea. I will say though, surely, if we're looking at the Europa and the teams left in it, we're not pretending we aren't fancying ourselves vs Sociedad, Rangers, Victoria Plzen etc. there's a limit to how effective downplaying it is if we're getting knocked out by a team we should very much be beating. I'm not sure many people really buy it, versus they would if this were the CL and we had a really tough opponent.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
I think he’s wrong all around. Yes, we want to build something sustainable that allows for continuous long-term success and/or competitiveness - and that goes beyond any one trophy - however; building for such isn’t mutually exclusive with attempting/being fully committed to winning the trophies in the here and now. Trophies that will facilitate and be conducive to whatever transformation he’s trying to spark/implement.
All his comment does is lower expectations, which may serve him - but it also cripples belief in the team/fans/club all around.
He was forced by United to take the job at an inopportune time. Blame United, not Amorim. He literally predicted this would happen. You’re essentially blaming him for wanting the United job, which is stupid.
If you don’t see this fairly blatant point then let’s agree to disagree.
What was the question? How important is the Europa? Then it makes sense. He's just setting his own goals for himself low. He doesn't want to say it's the most important thing in the world and when he ultimately gets dumped out b people would use that as a stick to beat him with.
I had an idea though, what if they move him up into the office to be DOF so he can just focus on recruitment of a new manager and players for the 343 since there really isn't any expectation for him to improve the players that are already here anyway.
I had an idea though, what if they move him up into the office to be DOF so he can just focus on recruitment of a new manager and players for the 343 since there really isn't any expectation for him to improve the players that are already here anyway.
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No one forced him, he chose to take it at an inopportune time. The club allegedly gave him an ultimatum and you can criticize them for it if you want but truth of the matter is that if he really believed that it was a bad idea he should have rejected the offer. First because it shows that the board is senseless and secondly it shows that they don't value him that much.
He had a choice. He wasn't obligated. That's a fact.
What makes you think that he is in any way a competent DOF?
I interpreted it more as a trophy on its own isn't proof of progress and can paper over serious cracks that exist (see the cup wins under ETH). Which I would agree with, but I don't think the manager should be the one saying that out loud, especially in a pre-match presser the day before the only competition that's still in play for us this season.
If he can't produce something in the Europa or win back to back fixtures in the PL, how do you expect him to compete for the league. You'll say he needs better players but we're expecting the bare minimum with the squad he's got. Then you could say "imagine what he'll do with some quality", but we're not even getting the bare minimum.
I'll repeat it again for you. He's a terrible footballer. I would not have him for free if offered. The fact that he's a squad member tells you all you need to know about Brazil these days. Arguably the worst Brazil era in living memory. No wonder he gets called up regularly.
And FYI, many terrible footballers are internationals. That means absolutely nothing.
But what does their cost matter if the reality on the pitch doesn't match up. We could pay £100 million each for Hojlund and Zirkzee. It won't improve their goalscoring.
Yeah I understand what he means as well.
But nothing gets listened to properly today. There'll be a dishonesty in how it's taken and it'll get re purposed against him.
Ole said a similar thing and it was used against him.
Better to just give a bland "let's win every competition we can."
It’s been addressed dozens of times already in this thread, but to sum it up: money and pride.
You're right. The way to improve is to lose and get knocked out of competitions. It's a well known ancient cure for failure which the fools on here don't recognize.
Don’t fault those mere mortals for their frailties.
INEOS ought to sack him if he doesn't deliver in all honesty.
I think it's far easier to turn a blind eye to his woeful domestic form in the event he delivers some silverware.
Then fans can't complain when the club have a horrendous summer window because of PSR and the exclusion of increased revenue due to European competition placement.
Exactly what any good manager is supposed to do. He hasn't improved any of the players he'll need to use next season either. He'd be fired under at any club in the world on a run of results like this regardless. The only thing that might keep him in a job is we are broke and SJR and Omar B might want to double down and give him the start of next season and a few quid but I fear it's not going to make a difference
I have not been blown away by Amorim but the squad is full of players who should never have been signed in the first place (Hojlund, Mount, Onana, Zirkzee) or who should have been sold long ago (Lindelof, Casemiro, Eriksen).
He is not the problem for me. We are simply trying to sift through years of mismanagement and abominable transfer dealings.
It was easier for me to believe that a number of seasons ago. The continued mistakes we make with investments in the squad don't give me confidence that prize money is the solution.
There's also the concern that enough of the CL money even filters through to the squad building.
Winning would be nice but it should not detract from the big picture. Like last season - winning the FA Cup should not have saved ETHs job.
He’s clearly hinting that INEOS have given him a get out of jail free card and are focusing on rebuilding the squad, or open heart surgery as Rangnick said. Amorim is going nowhere any time soon.
It's interesting to see this as the takeaway.
A number of years ago, the Europa League was a stain of mediocrity. Sevilla have won it the most of anyone at all. But they're not a consistent Champions League or La Liga contender. If we're setting our sights there as Manchester United fans the club is not just knocked off it's perch, we've officially swapped with Manchester City. What a wicked reality.
Judging him now is really unfair. If we can get 2-3 good signings for his system in the summer, we can evaluate mid season next year. It's been a shitshow since Sir Alex left, so what's another year.
This is the mentality that led to us extending Ten Hags contract. A catastrophic decision.
It's absolutely ludicrous to see the same thought process growing inside so many of the posters.
spot on
He can't catch a break at the moment. Why are Maguire and Ugarte unavailable?
Luck so far:
Stand out player in Amad out for the season
Martinez who seemed to be regaining form - out for an year
Mainoo out injured
Mount injury - no return date
Shaw minor setback - no return date
Dorgu gets sent off - 3 match ban 2.5 game into his United career
Bayindir out after Arsenal heroics
Collyer - was providing much needed energy in midfield - nope, out injured
Evans - inured
Rashford/Antony loaned out with no replacements due to FFP!?
Luck so far:
Stand out player in Amad out for the season
Martinez who seemed to be regaining form - out for an year
Mainoo out injured
Mount injury - no return date
Shaw minor setback - no return date
Dorgu gets sent off - 3 match ban 2.5 game into his United career
Bayindir out after Arsenal heroics
Collyer - was providing much needed energy in midfield - nope, out injured
Evans - inured
Rashford/Antony loaned out with no replacements due to FFP!?
Have said this countless times and I agree with our head coach. Improve the performances first and build some consistency. The cups and trophies will come.
Unfortunately we're having to deal with years of mismanagement and dodgy transfer dealings so there's a bit of a setback to the rebuild but it will come. Be patient.
I do wish he would talk less.
Berge is one of those players that flies under the radar a bit. He can be at a top four PL club. I was in favour of trying to get him and Ugarte.
He’s obviously focusing on winning games and will prepare for each game as he normally would. He’s not sat in his office watching YouTube scouting comps instead of coaching. But he’s obviously saying that it is more important that we start improving and building for the long term, and he’s not wrong. He’s still going to give it his best shot in the EL.
Yep. I get that nobody wants to hear the 'bad luck' stuff but everything than can go wrong has gone wrong.
I just hope he gets that. Obviously barring winning the EL we are not going to be in Europe next season and we are going to finish in the bottom half in all probability.
But yeah, he needs a right wing back (Quenda), a striker and ideally another central midfielder.
One positive has been the fact that we have been pro active in shipping out players like Sancho and Rashford who are never going to buy into any rebuild.
He needs a RWB, 2 CB (to replace Martinez and Lidelof), 2 CMs (replacements for Eriksen and Casemiro), at least 1 nunber 10 (to replace Rashford), and a decent striker
What managers have ever got a "get out of jail free card" in history? Let alone a club of this magnitude. It's just not the reality is it, no matter what he hints at. You still need to stay offloat, not sink to the bottom of the ocean.
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People going mad over those Europa League comments is just typical Caf. 
There is nothing wrong with those comments, relax.
There is nothing wrong with those comments, relax.
Di Maria vibes.
If you consider that INEOS didn’t approach him initially in the summer because they one our squad didn’t suit him, and that he’s almost did us a favour by joining early, don’t you think he’d have got some assurances about him being given time to work with them and build something he can work with? I can almost guarantee it’s the first thing he and his agent sought assurances over, because Amorim and INEOS knew it wasn’t a good fit and it was incredibly poor timing for him to take it on.
That would be ideal but I doubt we will see him making a complete overhaul like that.
I've seen an extended cut off that interview. Where he took out a tactical board, put the players in a 4-3-3 and spat on it, while saying "suck it MU fans". While also stating that he will ruin the club by buying only players that can play 3-4-3 and nothing else. Think he called it the, "specific players" League that he had sent scouts to, to find these players. So no wonder people are going mad.People going mad over those Europa League comments is just typical Caf.
There is nothing wrong with those comments, relax.
Nobody really knows how much impact a CL entry would have on our budget anyways. Thats the thing, obviously something would be better than nothing but it feels a lot like people are just thoughtlessly adding more and more pressure to the pressure cooker as if thats in any way shape or form would help the situation. Stuff is only going to get more and more destructive and then we will be in limbo once again. If internally, Amorim isn't achieving his objectives for this season, then the club has to take the consequences and part ways. But lets not hype up a some EL games as if this competition would change the fate of this club. Hysteria is a real and feels like many are on the brink of it.
Not per se, but of course there are scenarios where it makes more sense to go down a reliable route to at least have something to lean on while avoiding leaving the comfort zone. I see your point but I honestly think, it doesn't apply to United because we are so far back behind the pack. Not only do we have an injury issue right now, we also have a recruitment issue for the last 10 years. But even thats not all of it, because while football evolved we continued to think that "finding the right players and let them cook" is a viable strategy.
I have been one of the more vocal critics of the club for a long time, because so many metrics over time indicated that we weren't improving, not evolving. Even in times where results were alright.
None of that makes Amorim a better coach of course. And yes, maybe he isn't the right guy. But at some point, we have to acknowledge where we are and bear the immediate pain. As written more than once - we aren't failing because ETHs system was flawed or because Amorims ideas are crazy exotic - we are failing because we don't work as hard as most of our rivals and we don't act as smart on the pitch as most of our opponents. We considered athleticism to be not important and we allowed attitude issues to erode the core of the team.
I agree, not sure whether intentional but this piling on the EL seems nothing but accelerating a boom bust circle. At first we increase the pressure only to be allowed to be more vile and shorttempered when the results aren't what is expected.
Thats a great way to describe it. Boom bust cycle that's incredibly costly to the club. I worry we don't have many more that we can handle.
If I look back at the first few seasons after SAF left we were looking at a bust being 6th or 7th place. Which tends to be quite normal for big clubs in the grand scheme. One season like that before recouping.
But we've been trending towards relegation form and bottom half. Felt like that towards the end of Solskjaers time. And of course ETH left us in 13th