If he gets sacked he gets sacked, the results are awful, but whatever happens we needed someone to come in and change our style of play and it was always going to be difficult with a squad so ill suited to playing front foot football.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Is this not a better squad now? I mean it’s a younger squad. We’re obviously lacking a goalscorer but I think the main issue with this squad is adapting to the 3 at the back formation. We never played this under previous managers. Yoro and de ligt are 2 solid cbs. Ugarte and Mainoo are 2 decent midfielders with Bruno as a 10. Garnacho and Amad are decent wide players.
What's stupid and disingenuous is thinking winning the Europa League will save the club.
We're not skint for lack of trophy money. That you're dissociated from the Glazers and what the Ineos sht show is incredible and sad. But also expected. You're just a fan. Not any sort of expert on the business of Manchester United. Not that it's needed. But if you had the broader sense of needs you'd come off the Europa League much like better heads have suggested without resorting to calling ideas stupid.
It doesn't have to "save the club", it's simply a lot better than not winning it.
Gives us prize money this year, CL money next year, bumps up the Adidas deal and makes us more appealing to potential signings. Glazers and Ineos can still be bad, it doesn't change which of those things is better for us.
Has anyone ever suggested that?
Can I ask on your tactical flexibility comment?
You do realise that the 3-4-3 morphs into a 4 ATB at multiple times during the game and have started creating a diamond in midfield in possession for building up through the 3rds.
The attacks breakdown when Hojlund tries controlling the ball and passes it to the opposition, look at the difference and dominance when a 17 year old Obi Martin was upfront.
The attack relies on the WBs beating their man to create cutbacks into the box exactly the same as city do, Dorgu vs Everton linking up with Bruno using 1 2s looks like the template going forward.
Dalot & Mazraoui both occupy those spots as we have no other options, Amass hasn't been used by multiple managers maybe he isn't ready, I believe he has gone tonight though, Amad went to the R10 when Antony & Rashford were loaned out, clearly to cut costs on the wage bill and drum some interest to sell them in the summer.
Short term pain for long term gain.
The last game against Fulham both the LCB & RCB were aggressive in their press, De Ligt made multiple tackles to put us back on the attack, another tactical shift to recent weeks where we have sat off.
Yoro vs Ipswich was underlapping Dalot at times showing the wide CBS are given licence to attack if technically proficient.
Yes there are multiple areas Amorim can be questioned:
- Slow build up play
- No subs at Tottenham bar Obi at the end
- Our inability to maintain possession
Do we sack that manager as he has taken us as far as he has, do I know if Amorim is going to improve us no....
Just cause ETH failed doesn't mean Amorim will, also doesn't mean Amorim will succeed.
This constant changing of managers is great if you have a team like Real 2010s or Chelsea during the 2000s as the quality was there regardless of who was in charge, difference is our squad is overall sh1te,.
How many of this squad get into even some of the teams Mourinho or Ole had?
It’s not about been top 4. It’s about getting something better out of these players. I refuse to accept that a different manger with a broader approach wouldn’t be able to do so. I look at that Fulham side on Sunday and they were not that good. The team we had out there could have and should have won that game or at least had more control, especially as we were at home. We were second best until the last periods of the game and that just isn’t good enough after he’s had so many games.
I don’t have an answer as to who could do better, but I’m absolutely positive that Amorim should be doing better with these players and he isn’t in my eyes. Not even close.
I myself have criticized Amorims team selection but its shocking that some people are already calling for him to be sacked. While the manager plays a crucial role, the current challenges facing the club extend far beyond the manager. The core problem at United lies with the composition of the squad itself. For too long the club has struggled with recruitment signing players who lack the quality and mentality to succeed at Old Trafford. This has resulted in a disjointed team that lacks identity and the ability to compete in the league and in Europe. The reality is that United current squad contains a significant number of average players. Restoring United to its former glory goes beyond simply changing the manager or tweaking tactics it requires a complete overhaul of the current squad. A sustainable long term strategy should focus on building a squad around young and promising players who can grow and develop at the club. Only then can United hope to reclaim its former glory and once again compete for the biggest trophies in football.
Is the club forcing him to do the interviews for the money coming in from them? They keep coming up with nothing to show for on the pitch so far, a bit embarrassing, really, I'm willing to bet Amorim is against them as well, we are such a commercial club nowadays it's actually sad. In the begging I understood it, right now - just why?
Are these all the same interview, why is he doing one every say it seems like?
It's just a direct reply to our friend VO
This is the part I don't understand - i have not taken Amorims comments as meaning he's actively throwing the tournament. If given the choice winning would be great and of course you aim to win every game. One of the other interviews was framed much more like this than the one that set people off.
You said the players weren't criticised last season for the 8th place finish. That's simply not true is it.
It's the perceived lack of emphasis on the here and now that can irritate sometimes. Fans criticized Ole and EtH a lot (myself included) but we had the "mountains are there to be climbed" quote before the PSG match and EtH's constant belief we could beat City in the FA cup final and I'd like to see a bit more of that transmitted from the manager.
Fan morale is the lowest it's probably ever been in the last 30 years, and it'd be nice if the club could get a bit of a joy in a dismal season, as well see the club getting the obvious financial rewards.
Who never made that claim which is why I asked.
What bothers me is that lack of understanding that winning games now will finance whatever plan the club has long term. The idea that winning a cup this year isn't important or isn't as important as long term plans is silly because these two things aren't mutually exclusive but one helps the other.
Alright. You won me over with this completely faultless logic. You win.
Look at that bench. I know he's not started well but bloody hell he's been dealt a tough hand 
Yes because people are using it as an excuse. It isn't one. It's that simple.
Look at that bench. I know he's not started well but bloody hell he's been dealt a tough hand
Injuries have only happened in the last 3 weeks or so
He'd have to be an idiot to believe now or never was true. Clubs change management personnel and go back to players/managers all the time. It's not a real ultimatum.
He should be allowed to at least have a pre season under his belt and a few transfers.
I've not even said he should be sacked or anything like that. I'm just pointing out that he can't get away with certain things just because fans like the way he talks.
Have you seen the starting XI and the bench?
I do sympathize with that. Amorim has been rather frank and direct without a lot of sugar coating. That's a hard pill to swallow but I'm personally so tired of false dawn and talk none of it matters. That's why I just shrugged at the worst this club has been comment and everything else. Just need to get thru this season staying in the premier league.
If we can recruit with the budget and success of say Brighton , I think we'll manage to be on the right track next season for a top 4 finish with Amorim. At least that's how much hope I have for him as a manager. My big fear is that the recruitment will be ..as historically evidenced... catastrophic regardless of budget.
If there is such a financial need on winning this tournament to get into the CL...why send Rashford and Antony out on loan with no meaningful recruitment leaving the squad threadbare?
Is that something we pin on Amorim? If so surely he communicated his priorities with the board and they were bought in...so then this is really their fault too no?
To hang your hopes on a cup tournament now ...that's one of the most wretched bits of club management we could ever witness. Leaning into that, in my opinion, is the same as pandering to the mismanagement from Ineos and Glazers.
Yeahhh case in point. Sad Rashford and Antony probably would be in the squad if winning this was a primary objective. Surely it's not. If it is...God we are so screwed under IneosLook at that bench. I know he's not started well but bloody hell he's been dealt a tough hand
Why do you try to reframe what is said? I stated that his statement was silly because it's factually wrong unless you believe that more money isn't important for his ability to build a team that fits his ambition.
Now regarding Antony and Rashford, I made a similar point when it comes to the difference between finishing 15th and 10th, the difference is roughly 19m which isn't close to whatever money we spared by loaning these two players, it's not close to any money we spared by laying off people behind the scene and it's one of the clear example of Ineos utter incompetence.
Amorim statement can be wrong and the board can be incompetent, these two things aren't mutually exclusive.
Winning EL would be great: it could be the difference between having a great striker next season or not.
One thing about Amorim: he doesn‘t make excuses. This season can‘t be saved, he is correct.
One thing about Amorim: he doesn‘t make excuses. This season can‘t be saved, he is correct.
Not happening
I'm really starting to find it hard to back him.
He has no ability to change and adapt his team tactics during a match nor does he have any ability to get the best use out of his players. It feels like the players know this and you can see it in their faces.
Very one dimensional manager managing a very poor crop of players.
He has no ability to change and adapt his team tactics during a match nor does he have any ability to get the best use out of his players. It feels like the players know this and you can see it in their faces.
Very one dimensional manager managing a very poor crop of players.
I have backed him but this Sociedad team is crap. Gave us all time in the fecking world and we failed to create much of note. We were actually lucky at the end
Change with what?
All the best available players were on that pitch.
Did he tell Dalot not to pass to Hojlund?
Or Garnacho to shoot instead of passing and when he did pass got an assist, but still didn’t pass after.
If he kept Garnacho on, we would have won this game. That substitution was the signal of surrender.
His wife isn't happy in the North West apparently.
A good manager is supposed to be able to train and improve players. We’ve gone backwards and continue to go backwards almost every game. Previous signings are not on him, but if he can’t improve them and we have little money how do we expect this guy to buy “average players” (that’s all we will get based on money available and our real world position in the league) and improve them.
I just don’t see it, and I see it less with each game that passes.
I just don’t see it, and I see it less with each game that passes.
Another game without a win against piss poor opposition. I'll hang my hat on it - he's a fraud. I couldn't have imagined us being worse than Ten Hag and yet we are. How can such a highly rated manager be this tactically inflexible. I can't wait for him to feck off if I'm honest.
What does successful entail? You don't need a manager who is in charge for 10 years, someone can carry you to a certain point and hit a plateu and he gets sacked so we find someone else to take us to the next level. That's fine
Mate did you watch it? Garnacho, Dalot, Dorgu and Hojlund did almost nothing right all game and they are all of our pace. The decision making is unbelievably bad so do often.
Yeah, I'm not impressed. I'm closing to going off him than being in favour of him. I know that this side are shite, and that the higher ups are shite, and that the squad building has been crap, and the attack is crap, etc. I know all of this. But, considering all of that, I'm not really seeing anything of note. It's just too slow and too passive. His moodiness/brooding on the touchline is starting to annoy me a little. Above all, I'm not seeing anything that leads me to believe that he's coaching these guys to be better.
Why is he changing places of defenders and playing them out of position, and why is he substituting at least one defender almost every game when the game is still open for some reason?
What's the point of keeping Hojlund on when he doesn't do anything? Does he have any mental ability to try something else? What about Garnacho as a forward because how often he gets to shooting positions and actually shoots compared to Hojlund?
Amorim can't even play Zirkzee as a False 9 because his system doesn't allow it with two 10's so uses Zirkzee as an Attacking Midfielder.