I refuse to accept that any other manager would find away of playing without Hojlund tonight. A false 9, whatever, but persisting with him over and over and not coming up a work around is piss poor for a Top level manager. He’s useless and tactically weak.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Weird game to go after him for. Should’ve won easily. Not his fault the handball rule is garbage. Likely would’ve got a second if not for that.
It’s not perfect obviously but I guess you gotta rant somewhere.
It’s not perfect obviously but I guess you gotta rant somewhere.
No. In fact I heard he told them to score more goals than Sociedad and they didn’t even listen to him.
Given the circumstances, it was as good a game as you would hope.
His system relies so much on the full backs especially in attack and that leaves Dalot as one of our key attackers we’ll win absolutely feck all under those circumstances he’s nowhere near good enough
Time and time again match after match we create feck all because we’re relying on Dalot to put in an attacking masterclass
Pointless
Time and time again match after match we create feck all because we’re relying on Dalot to put in an attacking masterclass
Pointless
I struggle to blame the manager for this. Structurally we were fine and created chances.
We just keep missing sitters and making dumb decisions constantly. Its so fecking infuriating and makes the players incredibly unlikable.
We just keep missing sitters and making dumb decisions constantly. Its so fecking infuriating and makes the players incredibly unlikable.
Amorim has not improved anything about United, nor does he look like improving anything about United.
Our most consistent pattern of play is back and forward between the goalkeeper and defenders then hoofed long.
Watching Toby Collyer come on and play #10 while Bruno continued to be a passenger deep in midfield was baffling.
I think he fears he cannot do it with this squad and is increasingly resorting to gambits to try and stumble across something that works. A la Ten Hag and using McTominay as a box crasher.
Believing that this will get better is beyond me.
Our most consistent pattern of play is back and forward between the goalkeeper and defenders then hoofed long.
Watching Toby Collyer come on and play #10 while Bruno continued to be a passenger deep in midfield was baffling.
I think he fears he cannot do it with this squad and is increasingly resorting to gambits to try and stumble across something that works. A la Ten Hag and using McTominay as a box crasher.
Believing that this will get better is beyond me.
Ah more outcome based opinions. Lovely.
He's being found out at this club.
I think fans are in for a rude awakening when after a summer of funds spent and newer players incoming the team looks just as lethargic and one dimensional in possession. I don't think individual player quality has anything to do with the performances because the team don't look dangerous in any capacity shape or form. It's down to instructions, the attack was poor under Erik due to wasting chances but under Amorim your lucky if there's more than 3 clear cut chance creations in either period of 45 mins.
I don't see any criteria of Amorim being successful at United and more importantly English football. What he's done at Sporting is admirable but it doesn't translate. His coaching is absolutely shocking.
I think fans are in for a rude awakening when after a summer of funds spent and newer players incoming the team looks just as lethargic and one dimensional in possession. I don't think individual player quality has anything to do with the performances because the team don't look dangerous in any capacity shape or form. It's down to instructions, the attack was poor under Erik due to wasting chances but under Amorim your lucky if there's more than 3 clear cut chance creations in either period of 45 mins.
I don't see any criteria of Amorim being successful at United and more importantly English football. What he's done at Sporting is admirable but it doesn't translate. His coaching is absolutely shocking.
We have to improve a lot with the ball, most of our build up play seems to consist of playing it across the back until we knock some hopeful ball into a channel for someone to chase, we need to get better at moving the ball through the team and controlling the build up.
You need players who can turn on a dime and run in those positions. We have nobody who can do that except maybe Mount and he’s deceased.
ah shit. i agree with you. looks like i’m going to have to become “amorim out.”5 outfield players on the bench, 2 of whom are leaving the club in 3 months, the other 3 are 17, 18 and 21.
The only players missing from the squad on short term injuries are Maguire and Ugarte.
But the clownshow element of this thread will still keep trying to proclaim this is a top 4-8 squad
It’s very weird. It almost never works positively, either.
He is only attacking options is Hojlund, a young player who is low in confidence and seems to lack any serious talent, and a 17 years old kid. If we had even Weghorst tonight we would have won with more than 2 goals difference.
no he’s not. my mate reckons he saw him limping in the middle aisle of lidl with a cheap drill.
What disappointed me today was that we didn't seem to have a plan after they scored the penalty. There seemed to be a lack of a plan B. I guess a large part of that is down to personnel.
Just can't see it. He is still here because we don't have any money. He'd be long gone otherwise.
Agreed, I don't see anything worth investing in here. Our squad is so bad we desperately need a coach who can make us greater than the sum of our parts.
So wait, you feel we deserved more from our piss poor performances under Amorim. Today wasn't a good performance, it was a barely acceptable performance against a really shit team. This is some of the worst football I've ever seen from us and that includes the shit we saw under Van Gaal and Rangnick.
The plan was to try to make sure we don’t lose. We are absolutely threadbare, just played 120 minutes against Fulham and a large part of the game against Ipswich with 10 men. The players are struggling. It wasn’t pretty but it was job done for tonight. We need some players back sharpish to give us some more options. I feel like some of these are running on empty.
Don't like what he has done so far, but we played well tonight and should have won that. However, he has to go through against this Sociedad team in return leg.. And we should go and try to win EL, really a good chance to do that
We almost lost the game at the end, they missed one or two clear chances. Even the stats aren't that much in our favour. And the only goal we scored was after terrible goalkeeper reaction.
It doesn't deserve too much criticism, but it wasn't that great performance either, it was still pretty open game.
I think it would help if we had more bodies, and therefore more options, around the ball during build up. We seem to push one of the two midfielders up almost immediately and that means the one left gets crowded out too easily and the only available options for the back 3 is to push it out to the wingbacks who more often than not just give it back to them anyway. Of course personnel is a limiting factor but I do think he could try and help those that we do have to mask any shortcomings they have.
What sort of football do you expect from this team tonight? Especially when you factor in we’re having to run a small group of players into the ground due to injuries and suspension.
I'm done with it at this point seen enough.
It's not just Hojlund but irrespective of losing, chasing a game etc his substitutes are the same. One defender off and another on with whatever other outfield change to ensure the team remain in the same shape. Amorim is undoubtedly the most one dimensional manager I've seen at United. He's got no variation about him.
I'm not suggesting he veer away from three at the back but it's his iteration of how that system is deployed which is the issue. Alonso playing at base the exact same system but in possession the methodology of play is fundamentally different. Clearly a better manager with a more concise idea of how to actually effect games.
AKA a miracle worker.
Yup, it's VG football but ten times shittier. We can't even counter now due to the lack of pace in our attack. Also, It's baffling that Garnacho is always the first one to be taken off when he is the only one remaining with a bit of pace.
Aside from poor decision making/finishing in the final third, pretty much a perfect away performance in Europe. Before the pen, that is. I'm happy with the system. We just need to find the players who can really make it thrive.
This game hasn't changed anything that we don't 'know' already based on what we've seen. Not sure why people are arguing otherwise.
He's on a thin line for me. He has to have an amazing summer with training and transfers for it to 'turn around' to something more respectable. It's happened before with other managers and it's not out of the realm but it's hard to be really positive at the moment.
He's on a thin line for me. He has to have an amazing summer with training and transfers for it to 'turn around' to something more respectable. It's happened before with other managers and it's not out of the realm but it's hard to be really positive at the moment.
I’m talking about this game. He’s coached a steady if unspectacular 1 or 2 - 0 win. That dodgy pen gave them life and any team can end up on the back foot when a team with that home support suddenly has momentum. Not his fault the ref gave them a way back in it. They created zero until that point.
He said the tiredness came after we conceded
How about saying our heads just dropped completely because we have no confidence in each other
How about saying our heads just dropped completely because we have no confidence in each other
I don't see how can anyone watch football and think this. If you picked a group of quality players and put some of us in charge they still wouldn't be this crap. The attack under Ten Hag wasn't poor due to wasting chances either. For majority of his time here we were overperforming our xg.
ETH worked a miracle by winning the cup and the toxic element in the dressing room got him sacked.
Every game before it kicks off you hope to see some improvement and patterns of play to get bit excited about to watch but not seeing anything. It's boring. We are a terrible side to watch
How much improvement do you expect the guy to make in it 90 days, playing 2 games a week pretty much every week? Losing key players to injury, including our best player this season. However despite all that, we're so much harder to breakdown, allot more solid at the back compared to the the previous manager when we were conceding 20-30 shots a game. Bruno is playing allot better now than just before Amorim arrived, Magwire is playing better, and Zirzkee is also improving. People are forgetting that this coach was hired for a long term project, to put right shit that's been going for 12 years, and people are complaining and moaning because he's lost a few games and are losing faith already and want him to fix everything overnight.
Yea i agree.
It's hardly perfect is it? I mean Sociedad were crap and we weren't much better. We're a dreadful team to watch.
So we were destined to get battered against this team according to most. We outplayed them, but the manager has fecked up again, apparently? It’s hard to take seriously.
It would be. But the bit about the striker is nothing but an assumption. United recruited without being in the CL before. And transfers aren't going to be held whether we bring in the 25-30 million we can expect from the CL. Obviously it sounds like a great piece but it really isn't.
Fecking hell. After 3 month... Surely no other explanations of why we play the way than he is a fraud.
Imagine trying to post something about tactics in here and then looking as if you don't know the difference between full back and wing back.
Kind of fed up of hearing about toxicity. It's guesswork from fans.
These players try. They give it what they've got.
They're just not good enough, too old or too young.