Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches

He's an absolute disgrace. No respect for the club or for European football.
He goes to every match dressed in the pullover with a zip.
He never wears a suit.
He's never said "thank you" for being given the United job. Not once have I heard him say "thank you."
He's not interested in winning. He needs to come back when he's interested in us telling him how to make a winning team.
 
thefrenchy said:
A very interesting video, thank you.
Let's admit that this video shows us the basis of Amorim's game, from where our game begins, that is to say phase one, or if I understood correctly the players (defender) must thwart the opponent's pressing by using the wingers or precisely not use it to advance the ball and have a balance of power in the midfield and that we do not get there is very uncomfortable.
The moment of the video where we see Dalot swing the ball in the middle is very significant of our game.
No technical accuracy, too many missed passes that make the team lose confidence and in the end we end up with a draft game where we have the impression of being lost on the field. It's a shame and I find it serious that the players can't do the things that are the basis of our game.
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Is it a good analysis or is he making up theory and picking isolated moments of play that fit his 'theory' ?

It seems reasonable when I watched the video.

People here always talk about recognizable patterns of play.

What patterns of play do people on here see us trying to play?

I don't think I see one, but I don't think that I am good at spotting them either.
 
Into his 5th month and all he has been good at is Press conference. All he is doing is appeasing Manchester united fans by saying the right things, even if that means killing players confidence.

This is the manager who kicked Rashford out stating standars and look into future bs and here he is afraid of bringing players like amass and Kone but rewarding players like Casemiro and Lindelof. You can blame Dalot and Hojlund all you want but it is the manager who keeps on playing them. Before people start defending the manager and say what are his options, we'll options are there. He has to be bold. Why don't you drop Dalot and play Amass in lwb position and play Mazraoui in his position. Why don't you give more minutes to Heaven instead of Lindelof. Why not start planning for the next season.

The truth is so far Amorim has been a huge disappointment. Not saying he should be sacked but the reality is if results don't improve he is a goner.
 
AshRK said:
Into his 5th month and all he has been good at is Press conference. All he is doing is appeasing Manchester united fans by saying the right things, even if that means killing players confidence.

This is the manager who kicked Rashford out stating standars and look into future bs and here he is afraid of bringing players like amass and Kone but rewarding players like Casemiro and Lindelof. You can blame Dalot and Hojlund all you want but it is the manager who keeps on playing them. Before people start defending the manager and say what are his options, we'll options are there. He has to be bold. Why don't you drop Dalot and play Amass in lwb position and play Mazraoui in his position. Why don't you give more minutes to Heaven instead of Lindelof. Why not start planning for the next season.

The truth is so far Amorim has been a huge disappointment. Not saying he should be sacked but the reality is if results don't improve he is a goner.
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That has been one of the major disappointments for me. There have been plenty of opportunities to give youngsters a go, even if it is for 10-15 mins at the end of games, but he is very reluctant. I also do not get the point of making youngsters train with the first team and then not having them on the bench when there are plenty of bench slots available.

The narrative is that we have to forget this season as he is preparing us for the long term. If true, how do Lindelof, Eriksen etc. fit in this long term vision?
 
Stig said:
He's an absolute disgrace. No respect for the club or for European football.
He goes to every match dressed in the pullover with a zip.
He never wears a suit.
He's never said "thank you" for being given the United job. Not once have I heard him say "thank you."
He's not interested in winning. He needs to come back when he's interested in us telling him how to make a winning team.
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We need to demand half of Portugals GDP as compensation.
 
Insanity said:
That has been one of the major disappointments for me. There have been plenty of opportunities to give youngsters a go, even if it is for 10-15 mins at the end of games, but he is very reluctant. I also do not get the point of making youngsters train with the first team and then not having them on the bench when there are plenty of bench slots available.

The narrative is that we have to forget this season as he is preparing us for the long term. If true, how do Lindelof, Eriksen etc. fit in this long term vision?
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Very strange. He talks one thing and does the other. I expected him to be more bold. I rather finish 15th and waste the season with amass Kone Heaven Obi than 15th with Casemiro lindelof dalot eriksen
 
There's no logical explanation on leaving 5 open spots on the subs bench when there's no U21 match happening nearby. It's frankly ridiculous and undermines the whole academy.
 
Insanity said:
That has been one of the major disappointments for me. There have been plenty of opportunities to give youngsters a go, even if it is for 10-15 mins at the end of games, but he is very reluctant. I also do not get the point of making youngsters train with the first team and then not having them on the bench when there are plenty of bench slots available.

The narrative is that we have to forget this season as he is preparing us for the long term. If true, how do Lindelof, Eriksen etc. fit in this long term vision?
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Time (90 mins) flies when you are the head coach. When you are struggling to get good results from the match to save your job, youngsters' priority will take a backseat obviously.
 
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hobbers said:
Except the only other youth players eligible were Ogunneye, Fitzgerald and Jack Fletcher. Who don't exactly seem the level of youth player in desperate need of being thrown into a struggling first team, in a crucial game, despite never even training with the first team.
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Except the fact that apart from Obi, each and every youth player can be added to B List and thus made eligible for UEL matches if they are added to squad 24 hours before the match kicks off.
From UEFA's website
Each club is also entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B during the season. The list must be submitted by no later than 24.00CET on the day before the match in question.

A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 2003 and has, since his 15th birthday, been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of two years, or a total of three consecutive years with a maximum of one loan period to a club from the same association for a period not longer than one year. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been registered with the participating club for the previous two years without interruption.

Each club must include at least two goalkeepers on List A and at least three in total (List A and List B combined).
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Oh and Jack Fletcher literally trained with the first team pre-Europa league match. But yes apart from these things, your post is accurate. Well done.
 
hobbers said:
Except the only other youth players eligible were Ogunneye, Fitzgerald and Jack Fletcher. Who don't exactly seem the level of youth player in desperate need of being thrown into a struggling first team, in a crucial game, despite never even training with the first team.
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That doesn't make sense. We are in a desperate need. Our first team players like hojlund dalot lindelof are stinking the place week in week out. Not saying we will become world beaters playing these academy lads but they will show more balls than some of these senior players.
 
AshRK said:
That doesn't make sense. We are in a desperate need. Our first team players like hojlund dalot lindelof are stinking the place week in week out. Not saying we will become world beaters playing these academy lads but they will show more balls than some of these senior players.
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Or they might hide away and lose confidence. You can’t force them in, they have to be ready for it.
 
Stig said:
He's an absolute disgrace. No respect for the club or for European football.
He goes to every match dressed in the pullover with a zip.
He never wears a suit.
He's never said "thank you" for being given the United job. Not once have I heard him say "thank you."
He's not interested in winning. He needs to come back when he's interested in us telling him how to make a winning team.
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Does he even own one?
 
Stig said:
He's an absolute disgrace. No respect for the club or for European football.
He goes to every match dressed in the pullover with a zip.
He never wears a suit.
He's never said "thank you" for being given the United job. Not once have I heard him say "thank you."
He's not interested in winning. He needs to come back when he's interested in us telling him how to make a winning team.
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:lol:
 
Eagle_eye said:
Quiet a few.. I'm happy with the 3 CBs we can field, LWB, 2 CDMs in Bruno and Ugarte, right 10 in Amad, maybe survive with Onana for another window, so that's 8 starters.. Get 3 players in like a Quenda at
RWB, say a Cunha or even an Angel Gomes (for example) as the left 10, and a striker up front and the team is significantly transformed.. That would be a great start as a first summer window.
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I can see 8 of our regular starters today being regular starters next season, but not in two seasons.

But let's not split hairs. This starting XI isn't functioning anywhere near at a top four level right now and although we could all agree that a fit Shaw, a fit Mount, a proper striker and a decent wingback could make take us back to top four contention even that tempered expectation may be unrealistic. There's also the unanswered futures of Rashford and Antony -- do they come home or are they gone?

But if you're GLINEOS, sniveling shitbags all of them, you only care about being in the CL and hanging around the top four. That would enough to generate the return on investment they care about, be invited to the right parties and have nice things written about them by the media. Until they're gone this is all we can realistically expect from them, so perhaps we will only see 1-2 new players in this summer, maybe 1 next January, and another 1-2 the following summer. So it may well be the case that we'll see 8 of today's starters starting for us two seasons from now.
 
criticalanalysis said:
Well yes, that is obvious but I've already taken that into consideration. It still doesn't excuse Amorim being able to show, tell or coach the current players to do things better than what they are already showing. You can't just say 'play better, press higher, be more brave, be more attacking' (like Ole did), you need to actually have the ability to get the players to it. There are a lot of straight forward changes or tweaks that he can tell the players to do imo.

I do have faith in that he can bring the right players. I like Dorgu despite his rawness, I'd like Quenda and other midfield reinforcements but that's not the issue here. He needs to show he can get a raise out of players outside of ideals. I'm being harsh perhaps but he's got to either realise this sooner or show it for his own sake.
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Ye but you can only coach players so much. If they aren’t capable of actually doing what he wants then he needs to get rid. We see him every game shaking his head at something which shows he didn’t ask for that to happen. Pep replaces all the players that don’t follow his instructions. That’s exactly what we neee to do with Amorim. I’m sure he’d have wanted Dalot to square it to Hojlund when he had the chance.
 
I'm convinced that towards the end of the season the youth will get a chance. Games against Arsenal etc are not a good time to be throwing in youth players from the start. However Leicester away I think Chido and heaven will get a game.
 
Minimum requirements for Wile E. Amorim, super genius: win half of the remaining 10 league games, advance to the next round of the Europa. Anyone think he can do it? I don't.
 
It’s absolutely crazy that Amorim has his head on the block. Just crazy.
Man Utd were the lowest and worst we’ve ever seen them in the premier league era. Have we all forgot Liverpool putting 7 past us. SEVEN.

He’s taken over the worst Man Utd at the worst time. The idea it’s his fault and he should have saved us is crazy. The whole club was and is in turmoil and crises and INOES have rightly said you need to get rid of high earning underperforming deadwood. They have also probably said that they can’t at the moment replace them and that he just has to get on with it.

Let’s see what the summer brings and get behind our manager. He’s got one hand tied behind his back but he’ll do better in time.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
Minimum requirements for Wile E. Amorim, super genius: win half of the remaining 10 league games, advance to the next round of the Europa. Anyone think he can do it? I don't.
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No chance. We only have a chance to win two games at best. Our run of games till the end that starts this Sunday against Arsenal surely has to be up there with the toughest remaining schedules. It is absolutely brutal. Minus Liverpool, every other big team or form team you can think of is in there. City, Forest, Arsenal, Chelsea, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Brentford, Villa.
 
Stig said:
He's an absolute disgrace. No respect for the club or for European football.
He goes to every match dressed in the pullover with a zip.
He never wears a suit.
He's never said "thank you" for being given the United job. Not once have I heard him say "thank you."
He's not interested in winning. He needs to come back when he's interested in us telling him how to make a winning team.
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What the feck is this post?
 
Steve 007 said:
It’s absolutely crazy that Amorim has his head on the block. Just crazy.
Man Utd were the lowest and worst we’ve ever seen them in the premier league era. Have we all forgot Liverpool putting 7 past us. SEVEN.

He’s taken over the worst Man Utd at the worst time. The idea it’s his fault and he should have saved us is crazy. The whole club was and is in turmoil and crises and INOES have rightly said you need to get rid of high earning underperforming deadwood. They have also probably said that they can’t at the moment replace them and that he just has to get on with it.

Let’s see what the summer brings and get behind our manager. He’s got one hand tied behind his back but he’ll do better in time.
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This x 1000%

To be honest Amorim is too good for Utd, I am embarrassed at what Glineos have served him up so far.

As well as being a top tactician he seems a genuinely nice bloke.

For anyone saying he’s not a top tactician, spend some time studying what he did at Sporting, given time and the right players he will get us back to where we all want to be.
 
Onanawhatsmyname said:
This x 1000%

To be honest Amorim is too good for Utd, I am embarrassed at what Glineos have served him up so far.

As well as being a top tactician he seems a genuinely nice bloke.

For anyone saying he’s not a top tactician, spend some time studying what he did at Sporting, given time and the right players he will get us back to where we all want to be.
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What he did at sporting was impressive but there is no certainty it can work in the pl, and it's not clear how many transfer windows he would need to get the players in to be clear on whether it works. Hence why people are calling for some kind of adaptability.
 
Onanawhatsmyname said:
This x 1000%

To be honest Amorim is too good for Utd, I am embarrassed at what Glineos have served him up so far.

As well as being a top tactician he seems a genuinely nice bloke.

For anyone saying he’s not a top tactician, spend some time studying what he did at Sporting, given time and the right players he will get us back to where we all want to be.
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He's too good for United?

So that's why we had to force him to come.
 
stevoc said:
He's too good for United?

So that's why we had to force him to come.
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He's too good to be at a club where his hands will be firmly tied behind his back. Too good for a club who's ambitions amount to 'make money for the owners'. Yeah I'd say that's accurate. Not the historical club itself, but the current version.
 
If Amorim doesn’t work out I don’t think we will get back to being regular title contenders. We need to keep him and back him up whatever happens (unless we get close to relegation).
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
But isn't the entire point that both he and INEOS are aware that most of our players aren't good enough and will be shipping them out accordingly?
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If most of the players will be shipped out ASAP then there's no point in teaching them to play the system as they won't play it.
 


So apparently a 4-4-2 and a new coach will make this team fly?
Absolutely shocking from everyone involved, except Bruno.
 
Toshey said:


So apparently a 4-4-2 and a new coach will make this team fly?
Absolutely shocking from everyone involved, except Bruno.
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This clip sums up absolutely every feeling I have about Fernandes. A quality player surrounded by players who can't play simple passes on a consistent basis and who don't work as hard as he does to rectify it. It must be so infuriating
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
If most of the players will be shipped out ASAP then there's no point in teaching them to play the system as they won't play it.
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It's just copium to deal with diminished expectations from the manager.

Everyone is lambasting the players but when Amorim came in United were 4 points off top four. INEOS 100% hired Amorim early mid season to improve the club's standings. If the perspective on the players being crap was held by the hierarchy they would have waited until the summer and kept Ruud in charge.

Amorim was hired to improve the trajectory of the club not make things worse. His two and half year contract reflects this and that's why there's not one public statement of INEOS endorsing the manager, I reckon he doesn't have any reassurances this season and rightly so he's underperformed.
 
Ted Lasso said:
You tell me? Sevilla wins the Europa League seemingly every other year. Where has that got them exactly? Where exactly are they on the footballing totem pole? Are we striving to be Sevilla's level?

Or Madrid..heck even Atletico these days.
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V.O. said:
What are you talking about? 'Winning the Europa = being Sevilla' is stupid and disingenuous.

Being less skint > being more skint. Obviously.
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This.
 
fecking hell. I want this club to be good so bad. Woke up, grabbed the laptop for work but instead I’m looking at Manchester United stuff.

This is a bad religion
 
Ted Lasso said:
You tell me? Sevilla wins the Europa League seemingly every other year. Where has that got them exactly? Where exactly are they on the footballing totem pole? Are we striving to be Sevilla's level?
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Sevilla are in serious financial trouble, partly due to their inability to qualify for Europe or perform up to expected standards there.

They are actually a good example of how 'general performance', 'health of the club', and 'future performance' are not independent variables, they all influence each other.

Of course the situation is different because United are a much wealthier club, but still some lessons to be learned.
 
El-Manos said:
When exactly have we reached that next level in the last 10 years is love to know? If anything it’s been a steady decline
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Under Jose when we came 2nd, Ole when we came 2nd place, Ten Hag when we came 4th and won Carabao, those were much better levels than the previous years. It didn’t work but they elevated us and you go out and then hire correctly
 
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