Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches

[Jeffthered]

Amorim is doing his best with an average squad. His methods, structure, mentality, expectations, identity, are all beginning to show. I like him, and he has stopped being so negative and self-consumed with the press, which is very important.

As many of us know. He needs to get rid of some players and get in some new ones.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Actually Amorim changed his system so Garnacho could play more LW instead of central attacking midfielder, which makes that Dorgu had to come more inside what didn’t go very well yesterday. I don’t know what’s up with Garnacho and why he was so shit yesterday, but it wasn’t his position yesterday. Maybe he’s just not happy and wants out.

His heat map looks identical to other games, where is this info from?

 

[Licha-Vidic]

Whether he is a good manager or not isn’t relevant to the point.

So what is relevant? Only poor squad narrative is relevant

It's shocking how people are willing to bend to accommodate underperforming managers.

 

[Zumbi]

That's one of the worst pieces of revisionism I've seen. Falcao scored about 5 goals for us and Chelsea combined. Welbeck and Chicarito were sold and never played. Di Maria packed it because he got burgled. RVP ended up in Turkey soon after.

Our front line for LVG 2nd season was at the end 19yo Martial, 18 yo Rashford, Mata and Lingard.

You’re missing the point. I’m not claiming those attacking players were at their peak or did really well for us. I’m simply pointing out they were better than what we have now.

As a point of reference, Martial, Rashford, Mata and Lingard had 72 goals and assists between them that season. Garnacho, Amad, Zirkzee and Hojlund currently have only 55 between them this season.

 

[Licha-Vidic]

I am hopeful he will end the season with a late flourish and we'll get a bit of a glimpse of the future that we can buy into (for example, if we play like yesterday against a team who wants to be on the ball it will be very promising) but so far it's been far worse than everyone's worst estimations. If the form continues as it has done, with our only wins of recent times being against relegation teams + one win against Fulham back in Jan, I can't see how he survives.

I look at the remaining PL fixtures: City, Newcastle, Wolves, Bmouth, Brentford, WHUM, Chelsea, Villa and even in the darker days of Ragnick and ETH you'd back us to pick up scrappy wins vs a few of those teams. Now I genuinely don't think people would be surprised if we lost all but the Wolves/WHUM games.

We will finish the season with 45 points. We try and get 8 points from 8 remaining games. 2 wins +2 draws.

 

[giggs-beckham]

Like this from him: just cut that stupid narrative to shreds straight out the bat.

When United were third and sixth under ETH and Ragnick, Elanga played and played and was shite. He’s a stand out player in a team built to play like Forest. You put him in our team last night and he’s on par with the nonsense Garnacho was doing.

That's a strong hoodie..

 

[wolvored]

Ive said this before, Fergie built his team around 3/4 at least very good and some WC strikers. We also did ok, and a lot better than this, when an aging Zlaten and Cavani was up top.
Amorim needs a WC or as near as dammit striker and possibly 2.
If we had have had Osimhen or Gyokores playing instead of Hojlund, who is virtually a passenger, or Zirkzee, who is not a striker, up top, I believe we would be up there, top 6, even playing the way we have all season. How many chances have our 2 strikers missed, that a top class tiker would have put away?

 

[Posh Red]

So what is relevant? Only poor squad narrative is relevant

It's shocking how people are willing to bend to accommodate underperforming managers.

Given the specific point being discussed was about ‘round pegs’ yes, that is correct. It was nothing to do with assessing the managers performance.

Maybe try and read through the conversation before explaining, for probably the hundredth time, that you don’t like the manager.

 

[Brand Nubian]

Whats that got to do with anything. Do we want to become a top team again? If we do then holding onto average to decent players like Elanga doesn't make any sense. I think we should also be selling Garnacho in the summer honestly.

You dont need a 25-man strong squad of world class players to become a top team. SAF won titles with lesser players in rotation than Elanga. There is also that coaching element - bet Sir Alex would have made Elanga so feckin dangerous proposition for any kind of team facing United.

 

[roseguy64]

I’m absolutely astounded as to how low standards have dropped and how many fans just blindly accept this.

It's been impressive to see, honestly. Congrats to ETH and Amorim on their efforts.

 

[roseguy64]

Yeah Ten Hag’s stint gets worse the more time goes on. Apart from the summer window just gone he signed some right turkeys.

Yep, should have never made it to the January window last season.

 

[GlasgowRedz]

That's a strong hoodie..

Been looking for it everywhere but seems like it's completely sold out

 

[Acquire Me]

Have been said many times before, but holy hell we need a striker who scores goals on a regular basis. Amorim must have nightmares about our current strike force.

 

[Zumbi]

Its quite clear the squad needs a rebuild and Ruben needs to be showing the person with the chequebook that he is the right man to be trusted to lead that rebuild but so far he isnt doing that, if he wants to be hear next season he needs to start showing he can get something consistant out of the players he has already got.

Not really. Whatever happens between now and the end of this season he’ll still be here and he’ll still be given a summer transfer window and pre-season.

 

[PeteManic]

He has been terrible. The days of a dogmatic philosophiser coach are over. Just because he speaks better English that Ten Hag everyone thought he was a godsend. But he talks a load of nonsense.

Can't wait for him to go. And he'll be gone before 2025 is over.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

He has been terrible. The days of a dogmatic philosophiser coach are over. Just because he speaks better English that Ten Hag everyone thought he was a godsend. But he talks a load of nonsense.

Can't wait for him to go. And he'll be gone before 2025 is over.

Stupid comment. Who do you think would have done better and wouldn’t have just been another short term fix?

 

[Licha-Vidic]

It's been impressive to see, honestly. Congrats to ETH and Amorim on their efforts.

Its shocking and funny at the same time. How we can be a 45 point team and the manager still retains undisputed support on his methods

 

[tomaldinho1]

We will finish the season with 45 points. We try and get 8 points from 8 remaining games. 2 wins +2 draws.

It really all will hang on Europa

 

[PeteManic]

13 league defeats is a clear sign he has been terrible. His magic 3-4-3 is a load of nonsense. United - especially in their current state - need a pragmatic manager who assesses the squad and works with them.

The philosophers are all gone. Klopp is gone. Guardiola is on his way out. And 3-4-3 Amorim is being shown up. Embarrasing.

Look at Slot at Liverpool. Small subtle changes working with the squad is the way. I can guarantee if Amorim had gone to Liverpool (which could have happened) Liverpool would be nowhere near the title.

 

[Licha-Vidic]

Stupid comment. Who do you think would have done better and wouldn’t have just been another short term fix?

Its only fair, you dont call other people opinion as stupid comment.

People should have the humility to accept it can go both ways, Amorim can be a total failure or a success.
From the current showing, it leans on him being a failure here he needs to turn things around. If he's unable then he is a failure.

 

[Eriku]

I don’t know why people expect more right now? We had to bin off Rashford and Sancho due to a lack of effort, the only real striker we have is Højlund, we’ve had serious injury issues, with Martinez, Shaw, and Mount looking like write-offs, and our brightest spark Amad getting injured. Add to that we’ve had to completely switch our system mid-season.

I feel like we’re seeing the fruits of the system change now. We had some real slick play at times yesterday and the players seem to know what the plan is rather than improvising or relying om moments of brilliancr. A 1-0 loss away from home to the 3rd place team, who’ve conceded the fewest goals in the league.

Why people would start to lose patience now is beyond me. People might start talking about how a club like ours shouldn’t accept these results, but if you’re down with a broken back you have to accept there’s going to be a period of basic recuperation and training, and not expect to be running full pelt right away.

 

[bosskeano]

13 league defeats is a clear sign he has been terrible. His magic 3-4-3 is a load of nonsense. United - especially in their current state - need a pragmatic manager who assesses the squad and works with them.

The philosophers are all gone. Klopp is gone. Guardiola is on his way out. And 3-4-3 Amorim is being shown up. Embarrasing.

Look at Slot at Liverpool. Small subtle changes working with the squad is the way. I can guarantee if Amorim had gone to Liverpool (which could have happened) Liverpool would be nowhere near the title.

disagree completly....343 is actually a very good system to play with the right players and the one issue we have is that we don't have a striker or two that can consistently score goals

doesn't matter what f'ing system you play at united...442,433,4231,352....if you don't have a guy who can put the old onion in the bag then the system u play means feck all

 

[DomesticTadpole]

13 league defeats is a clear sign he has been terrible. His magic 3-4-3 is a load of nonsense. United - especially in their current state - need a pragmatic manager who assesses the squad and works with them.

The philosophers are all gone. Klopp is gone. Guardiola is on his way out. And 3-4-3 Amorim is being shown up. Embarrasing.

Look at Slot at Liverpool. Small subtle changes working with the squad is the way. I can guarantee if Amorim had gone to Liverpool (which could have happened) Liverpool would be nowhere near the title.

Slot has a good squad to deal with, built for Klopp who had success with them and Slot has done bugger all to change things. So who do you think would do a better job with a squad built for ETH that even he couldn't manage and no proper striker?

 

[Shark]

13 league defeats is a clear sign he has been terrible. His magic 3-4-3 is a load of nonsense. United - especially in their current state - need a pragmatic manager who assesses the squad and works with them.

The philosophers are all gone. Klopp is gone. Guardiola is on his way out. And 3-4-3 Amorim is being shown up. Embarrasing.

Look at Slot at Liverpool. Small subtle changes working with the squad is the way. I can guarantee if Amorim had gone to Liverpool (which could have happened) Liverpool would be nowhere near the title.

13 defeats? Christ Almighty.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

13 league defeats is a clear sign he has been terrible. His magic 3-4-3 is a load of nonsense. United - especially in their current state - need a pragmatic manager who assesses the squad and works with them.

The philosophers are all gone. Klopp is gone. Guardiola is on his way out. And 3-4-3 Amorim is being shown up. Embarrasing.

Look at Slot at Liverpool. Small subtle changes working with the squad is the way. I can guarantee if Amorim had gone to Liverpool (which could have happened) Liverpool would be nowhere near the title.

Absolute god awful comment. Slot inherited a T10 squad in the world with 4 genuine world class players in his starting XI, and he's benefitted from his top attacker having an all time level season. If you're getting that sort of top level production individually, it makes tweaking a system and ironing some tactical issues far easier as you're still able to get results while doing so. Comparing what he's done to anything Amorim has had to deal with is stupid because the situations aren't remotely comparable.

Whether or not Amorim succeeds is one thing, but any manager in football would struggle to get good results with the current crop of players we have available, especially in attack where the single good attacker in the club is currently out until probably the last few weeks of the season. He can pull all of the tactical tricks and coaching he wants, none of it matters if Garnacho still skies shots over the bar or refuses to pass to other players, or Hojlund ghosts in games and can't hold up the football. It doesn't matter what system you play if you're attackers are still unable to ever execute in the final third.

 

[Licha-Vidic]

13 defeats? Christ Almighty.

The guy has 22 points from 19 games. 22 points.
He has 9 league defeats in those 19 games. In our 13 league defeats this season. He will lose half of his game by season end.

 

[Eriku]

Absolute god awful comment. Slot inherited a T10 squad in the world with 4 genuine world class players in his starting XI, and he's benefitted from his top attacker having an all time level season. If you're getting that sort of top level production individually, it makes tweaking a system and ironing some tactical issues far easier as you're still able to get results while doing so. Comparing what he's done to anything Amorim has had to deal with is stupid because the situations aren't remotely comparable.

Whether or not Amorim succeeds is one thing, but any manager in football would struggle to get good results with the current crop of players we have available, especially in attack where the single good attacker in the club is currently out until probably the last few weeks of the season. He can pull all of the tactical tricks and coaching he wants, none of it matters if Garnacho still skies shots over the bar or refuses to pass to other players, or Hojlund ghosts in games and can't hold up the football. It doesn't matter what system you play if you're attackers are still unable to ever execute in the final third.

Was about to respond to this myself. Never asks himself the question of "how would Slot fare at United this season?"

Fixing a fallen giant is hard af. Liverpool themselves are proof of that. This Liverpool has been pretty much flying for the past decade, whereas our winning culture has been shredded.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

The guy has 22 points from 19 games. 22 points.
He has 9 league defeats in those 19 games. In our 13 league defeats this season. He will lose half of his game by season end.

Weren't some of those 13 defeats down to a previous manager or is Ruben getting the blame for his failings as well.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Not gonna say we should have won against Forest - but we clearly could have won (or at the very least salvaged a point). Both the eye test and the stats bear this out.

I know it's pathetic enough (given our illustrious history and whatnot), but realistically we did rather well against a top team in the PL (which we are not at the moment - we are mid-table at best, sadly).

For me, it's just depressingly obvious that we lack extreme qualities - in the extreme - for a team that presumably still have ambitions of being among the best.

If you randomly replaced our presumed best XI with players from other mid-table teams...could you honestly say we would lose much in individual quality?

(To be clear, this is not a criticism of Amorim - quite to the contrary. He didn't assemble this squad.)

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Was about to respond to this myself. Never asks himself the question of "how would Slot fare at United this season?"

Fixing a fallen giant is hard af. Liverpool themselves are proof of that. This Liverpool has been pretty much flying for the past decade, whereas our winning culture has been shredded.

Wonder how Ruben would do if he had Mo Salah as his main goal threat. If he had Allison in goal rather than dive weirdly Onana.

 

[Xaviboy]

If we do bring in say 5 players in summer window then 3 of them must be attackers.
No quality at all upfront.

We drop Bruno back in to CM then we need 2x number 10s and CF

Another CM and RWB.

 

[Licha-Vidic]

Weren't some of those 13 defeats down to a previous manager or is Ruben getting the blame for his failings as well.

And i have written he has 9 defeats on his name. Out of 13 of whole season.
He has managed 19 games.
That is like half of League games he has managed.

Amorim will do 27 League games for us this season.
He will lose 13-14 League games by season end.

 

[Licha-Vidic]

Absolute god awful comment. Slot inherited a T10 squad in the world with 4 genuine world class players in his starting XI, and he's benefitted from his top attacker having an all time level season. If you're getting that sort of top level production individually, it makes tweaking a system and ironing some tactical issues far easier as you're still able to get results while doing so. Comparing what he's done to anything Amorim has had to deal with is stupid because the situations aren't remotely comparable.

Whether or not Amorim succeeds is one thing, but any manager in football would struggle to get good results with the current crop of players we have available, especially in attack where the single good attacker in the club is currently out until probably the last few weeks of the season. He can pull all of the tactical tricks and coaching he wants, none of it matters if Garnacho still skies shots over the bar or refuses to pass to other players, or Hojlund ghosts in games and can't hold up the football. It doesn't matter what system you play if you're attackers are still unable to ever execute in the final third.

The point probably should have been,
If Amorim took over Liverpool he would have dismantled the team to play his 343 system, and the narrative would have been the squad is not set-up for 343 thus he would need time to construct his own team. Which in turn he would have conditioned Liverpool fans to accept a 'team in transition period'.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Fixing a fallen giant is hard af. Liverpool themselves are proof of that. This Liverpool has been pretty much flying for the past decade, whereas our winning culture has been shredded.

Absolutely right (of course).

And one man cannot and will not magically fix this.

 

[Gazza]

I don’t know why people expect more right now? We had to bin off Rashford and Sancho due to a lack of effort, the only real striker we have is Højlund, we’ve had serious injury issues, with Martinez, Shaw, and Mount looking like write-offs, and our brightest spark Amad getting injured. Add to that we’ve had to completely switch our system mid-season.

I feel like we’re seeing the fruits of the system change now. We had some real slick play at times yesterday and the players seem to know what the plan is rather than improvising or relying om moments of brilliancr. A 1-0 loss away from home to the 3rd place team, who’ve conceded the fewest goals in the league.

Why people would start to lose patience now is beyond me. People might start talking about how a club like ours shouldn’t accept these results, but if you’re down with a broken back you have to accept there’s going to be a period of basic recuperation and training, and not expect to be running full pelt right away.

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[DomesticTadpole]

Absolutely right (of course).

And one man cannot and will not magically fix this.

This goes well beyond whichever manager has been in charge. The men behind the scene have caused this by not stepping in when it was obvious a signing was bad and then handing out contract extension to people who didn't merit them.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

This goes well beyond whichever manager has been in charge. The men behind the scene have caused this by not stepping in when it was obvious a signing was bad and then handing out contract extension to people who didn't merit them.

As @Eriku said we need patience. I am wondering what sort of signings come in the summer. Just not sure there will be a blockbuster summer or it will be more young players to mould a team for the future, so even more patience will be needed.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Wonder how Ruben would do if he had Mo Salah as his main goal threat.

Considerably better (of course).

Again - we lack actual quality in some positions, this is beyond debate.

The players we currently rely on to - well! Get the feckin' ball into the net after close to 30 shots (only six on target, but a) that is part of the problem too, I guess and b) Forest only had 2)...are mediocre (sorry, they are) compared to what we had in the past.

 

[quadrant]

I’m absolutely astounded as to how low standards have dropped and how many fans just blindly accept this.

God, not this old tripe again. Being happy that there's signs of improvement does not mean being happy with our current position. They're two different things.

 

[Redstain]

As @Eriku said we need patience. I am wondering what sort of signings come in the summer. Just not sure there will be a blockbuster summer or it will be more young players to mould a team for the future, so even more patience will be needed.

Unfortunately this is fan peddled sentiment not contrary to the reality of the situation Amorim is in at Manchester United.

Amorim has signed the shortest contract of any full time United manager in the last decade. A 2.5 year deal with the clubs option to trigger an extra year. The summation of that contractual offer doesn't evoke patience it's a set of conditions that demands results.

If Amorim isn't at the very least in the top 6 next season (which is a drastic improvement from the current standings) I can't see INEOS persisting with him. The conditions Berrada signed him under doesn't reflect patience, it's a sink or swim situation professionally. Ruben said himself he will absolutely not get the time Arteta was given, so there's no pretense for patience in expectation from the hierarchy.

Ruben will need to deliver immediately next season.