Liam Delap | Official: signed for Chelsea

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MCDC said:
No thanks for clearing that up......

There is less pressure at all bar Madrid & Barca, so should we not sign any player that has been there.

Ipswich have scored a total of 31 goals of which he has scored 12, they have had a total of 298 shots, shows a clear amount of creativity for him to feed off.

Teams don't sit back apart from teams at the top of the table, do I know if he is going to be able to play and work at us no, but fits the profile, runs the channels, scores more than our forwards and room to grow, the main part if we can afford him.

Who are the alternatives Gyokeres isn't coming here, don't want Osimhen feel he will want huge wages and doesn't fit the system, Sesko maybe but he isn't prolific so who is left bar a left field.

The only alternative I would accept would be Mateta had a great couple of years since Glasners change to 3 ATB, knows the system and Chido Obi and could learn off him without stunting his development.
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Gyokeres joins us if we win the Europa. He’ll come for Amorim but he’ll want champions league football. And speaking of the guy, he’s just scored a freekick for sporting. Mr Clinical
 
Can't help but feel a bit nervous at the thought of signing a 22 year old striker to replace the guy four days older than him who's completely buckled under the pressure this season but I do like what I've seen of Delap.
 
DJ_21 said:
Gyokeres joins us if we win the Europa. He’ll come for Amorim but he’ll want champions league football. And speaking of the guy, he’s just scored a freekick for sporting. Mr Clinical
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He would be my 1st choice.

Him and Cherki would level up our attack.
 
Rozay said:
Sesko is my first choice of available options, but I’d have Delap second. I don’t believe in Osimhen or Gyokeres, and so have a sneaky feeling that Delap can become England’s next great striker after Kane.

People have been objecting to his arrogance in this thread, but it’s exactly what gives me confidence in him. The players that need to take the responsibility to score the goals for the team need to believe that they are the shit.
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Agreed. Sesko was my first choice a few years and I was quite vocal about signing him as a developmental prospect. But I think right now in our current predicament it's about raising the performance floor of the entire team. And I think Delap on low wages and a reasonable transfer fee probably makes more sense for us right now and it will give us more room to raise the level of the rest of the team. Which for me is the key to making our attacking game more potent.

I think a midfield upgrade should be a priority and I think they'll also sign a CB. And having high quality in the CB and deeper midfield lines is the key to having a potentially high quality attack which creates a environment to then dominate games.
 
For context, he's one goal behind Watkins, Cunha and Mateta. All whom I'd think improve us.
 
I have not watched him enough, only saw him against us twice this season, but was not impressed by him. Normally how i judge players against us, somebody who tore us is players we should ideally go for. Cunha for example was unplayable against us, that's the sort of players we should target.
 
Fahad Jawaid said:
Normally how i judge players against us, somebody who tore us is players we should ideally go for. Cunha for example was unplayable against us, that's the sort of players we should target.
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I wonder if Paulo Wanchope is still available?
 
Can’t help but feel that this screams going for him because he’s the budget option, rather than the best option. Similar to how we went for Dorgu rather than hold out for a Kurkez or Robinson.

I just don’t think these level of signings are going to get us back to where we want to be. I don’t think they even get us to CL level, never mind anything else.
 
Pretty much the exact opposite of what we need on the face of things.

I've thought we were signing the perfect player and it's been a disaster before so maybe I'm wrong.
 
DJ_21 said:
You do realise he plays for Ipswich? Less pressure there and teams go up against them attacking. Completely different to playing for us
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Agreed, I've long said we should only ever sign players from Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern because no other players could possibly relate to the pressure of playing for such a big club, and players from those clubs are always complete successes at United. United shouldn't ever sign players from smaller or struggling clubs (like Ipswich) such as Oldham, Nottingham Forest, Norwich, Brondby, Molde, Blackburn, Fulham, West Ham, Wigan etc because players from those types of clubs could never win trophies for us.
 
CM said:
They've produced very comparable numbers in their debut seasons. Hojlund got 10 Premier League goals in 30 appearances and 2,171 minutes last season. Delap has 12 (including 2 penalties) in 30 appearances and 2,349 minutes so far this season.

I'd worry about Delap in our team and don't feel it's a particularly ambitious move. We are where we are so I get that we may not have access to some of the better strikers out there but I don't think this will really solve many of our issues in attack.
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Thanks for answering the question raised.
 
Fahad Jawaid said:
I have not watched him enough, only saw him against us twice this season, but was not impressed by him. Normally how i judge players against us, somebody who tore us is players we should ideally go for. Cunha for example was unplayable against us, that's the sort of players we should target.
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*Brad Friedel has entered the chat*
 
Would take him and Dibling in an instant. Young players with much to prove, you can throw Hojlund into that sentence but promising young footballers are not defined by Rasmus Hojlund.

With the inclusion of a right wingback it's a good basis to begin the summer with. Would rather have Cunha for the 10 however but unless United win the Europa league I don't see a plethora of positions being covered with the financial constraints of heavily underperforming this season.
 
JB7 said:
Agreed, I've long said we should only ever sign players from Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern because no other players could possibly relate to the pressure of playing for such a big club, and players from those clubs are always complete successes at United. United shouldn't ever sign players from smaller or struggling clubs (like Ipswich) such as Oldham, Nottingham Forest, Norwich, Brondby, Molde, Blackburn, Fulham, West Ham, Wigan etc because players from those types of clubs could never win trophies for us.
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To score the amount of goals he’s scored in a team about to get relegated is phenomenal. I’d rather take Gyorkeres but this lad will do well. It’s a nonsense to say we should only sign from those 3 anyway. Fernandes came from Sporting, Varane and Casimeiro from Madrid.

Personally I think we need two strikers. Delap and Gyorkeres would do the job. Sell Hojilund.
 
Hojlund has been unwatchable this season. The team doesn't trust him which is the only thing strikers can do. I won't be surprised if we cut the losses and bring delap as cover/competition
 
JB7 said:
Agreed, I've long said we should only ever sign players from Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern because no other players could possibly relate to the pressure of playing for such a big club, and players from those clubs are always complete successes at United. United shouldn't ever sign players from smaller or struggling clubs (like Ipswich) such as Oldham, Nottingham Forest, Norwich, Brondby, Molde, Blackburn, Fulham, West Ham, Wigan etc because players from those types of clubs could never win trophies for us.
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So we never should have signed Roy Keane then? Or Paul Ince? Or Ronny Johnsen? Or solskjaer?
 
Redstain said:
Would take him and Dibling in an instant. Young players with much to prove, you can throw Hojlund into that sentence but promising young footballers are not defined by Rasmus Hojlund.

With the inclusion of a right wingback it's a good basis to begin the summer with. Would rather have Cunha for the 10 however but unless United win the Europa league I don't see a plethora of positions being covered with the financial constraints of heavily underperforming this season.
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I would take him and dibling also, but the latter will be too expensive.

I'm reminded of what Klopp did at Liverpool with underwhelming signings (at the time) of Henderson / Wijnaldium / Mane etc. Look how that turned out. You just never know if a player will flourish in the right system.
 
JB7 said:
Agreed, I've long said we should only ever sign players from Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern because no other players could possibly relate to the pressure of playing for such a big club, and players from those clubs are always complete successes at United. United shouldn't ever sign players from smaller or struggling clubs (like Ipswich) such as Oldham, Nottingham Forest, Norwich, Brondby, Molde, Blackburn, Fulham, West Ham, Wigan etc because players from those types of clubs could never win trophies for us.
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What about Leeds, Everton, Sporting and Spartak Moscow? Should we avoid players from those clubs as well?
 
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Real lack of YouTube videos with questionable music

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Granted it's a Youtube video, but I like the way he's turning with the ball with the defender breathing down his neck, and driving forward at full speed. Seems reasonably two footed as well. Interesting player, but I'm wary of buying another young striker.

I'm not sure you can make a YT video of Rasmus successfully turning with the ball as he always loses it while falling to the floor. He must go.
 
Malone_Post said:
Can’t help but feel that this screams going for him because he’s the budget option, rather than the best option. Similar to how we went for Dorgu rather than hold out for a Kurkez or Robinson.

I just don’t think these level of signings are going to get us back to where we want to be. I don’t think they even get us to CL level, never mind anything else.
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We signed CL and Title winners.... they didn't get us a title. It shows you that not everything is black and white.

Its about time we bought profiles over names.

We needed a player in the January window, would you prefer we went out and spend 60m on a LWB in Jan?

This is why we dont become successful. Its not about buying the best players, its about making them.
 
romufc said:
We signed CL and Title winners.... they didn't get us a title. It shows you that not everything is black and white.

Its about time we bought profiles over names.

We needed a player in the January window, would you prefer we went out and spend 60m on a LWB in Jan?

This is why we dont become successful. Its not about buying the best players, its about making them.
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You don’t see the problem in stockpiling young, unproven, strikers to lead the line?

If we sign Rory Delap Jr we’ll have three strikers who have never scored more than 12 goals in one top 5 league season. Delap got 8 in the Championship last year. Zirkzee had two seasons with 2 goals and 11 goals for Bologna. Hojlund had one season with Atalanta where he got 9.

Funnelling these average strike rate young forwards into the biggest club in England in a system that barely screams chance creation and everything is polemic will only end one way.
 
It's as underwhelming a signing one can imagine, the type fans will turn on after two or three poor performances as his limitation is bare.

If we can negotiate a cheaper price, maybe, but 40 mill for proven bang average has to become a thing of the past.

Our biggest recruitment problem is United Tax. We are negotiating against it more than anything else.
 
Weird feeling this could be a really smart signing.

With Rashford / Sancho and soon to be Maguire and Shaw going out the door - we do need to consider our homegrown quota.
 
Foolsgold21 said:
Weird feeling this could be a really smart signing.

With Rashford / Sancho and soon to be Maguire and Shaw going out the door - we do need to consider our homegrown quota.
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This is one thing that is constantly overlooked. We get away with it a lot sometimes because we always seem to have young players in and around the squad who don't need to be registered but 6 leaving the club within the space of a 24 months (Evans and Heaton also need to be included in the list) is something that needs replacing.

It is also why I would like to see us in for Angel Gomes during the summer, I think he is similar to Bruno in that he can be deployed in both the advanced and central midfield roles, wouldn't cost anything except wages. Is an extra HG body for if we can ship out someone like Garnacho for half decent money as well.
 
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DWelbz19 said:
You don’t see the problem in stockpiling young, unproven, strikers to lead the line?

If we sign Rory Delap Jr we’ll have three strikers who have never scored more than 12 goals in one top 5 league season. Delap got 8 in the Championship last year. Zirkzee had two seasons with 2 goals and 11 goals for Bologna. Hojlund had one season with Atalanta where he got 9.

Funnelling these average strike rate young forwards into the biggest club in England in a system that barely screams chance creation and everything is polemic will only end one way.
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Clearly one of Zirkzee or Hojlund will have to go, Zirkzee would be my choice.

I see you prefer stockpiling older players on massive contracts then? Which is what we have been doing with no success.

If you think that (bolded) then I assume you dont rate Gyokeres... which leaves Oshimen only who would want a 250k wage and 60m release clause... who isnt even guaranteed to score goals for us.
 
I like the look of him - some key elements missing in our squad which he brings in abundance (speed, strength, can run the channels, decent back to goal). Whether he can continue developing and go up another level or two and grab closer to 20 league goals is the question, I guess. One would have to think he could if he’s playing in a team creating enough chances (which we currently aren’t). Risky but probably as close to the profile we can get with financial constraints and assuming the likes of Osimhen (off to Saudi perhaps?) and Gyokeres (wants UCL football?) might be unavailable.
 
romufc said:
Clearly one of Zirkzee or Hojlund will have to go, Zirkzee would be my choice.

I see you prefer stockpiling older players on massive contracts then? Which is what we have been doing with no success.

If you think that (bolded) then I assume you dont rate Gyokeres... which leaves Oshimen only who would want a 250k wage and 60m release clause... who isnt even guaranteed to score goals for us.
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Yes, because there are only young unproven strikers and older players on massive salaries. Famously that’s how football works.

It doesn’t appear that Zirkzee or Hojlund will be leaving. There’s not much in way of concrete links and I’d be surprised if we did — the club operates differently now and neither represent “PSR profit” right now
 
DWelbz19 said:
Yes, because there are only young unproven strikers and older players on massive salaries. Famously that’s how football works.

It doesn’t appear that Zirkzee or Hojlund will be leaving. There’s not much in way of concrete links and I’d be surprised if we did — the club operates differently now and neither represent “PSR profit” right now
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So who would you say we should get ? I see you don't want to name names just moan.

Well, the reason there aren't any concrete links is because we are not in a transfer window and middle of season... famously, that's how transfers work... Not concrete talks in the middle of the season.
 
Lemon Custard said:
Be much more popular here if he was named Guillermo Delapo.
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Unfortunately he probably would.

Still, I've maintained Delap has been a player United should look at for a number of months now and it seems like the club are seriously considering a move now.
Be really happy to bring him on board.

There’s facets of his game that remind me of Rooney and Vardy.

Said this in February :
I like Delap. He's young, tenacious, driven, confident and is generally a technically sound player.
Style wise he's sort of a mix between Rooney and Vardy but he still has a way to go before he reaches either of those two, obviously. But there's something to work there with him.
 
Normally you’d think he’d be looked at as the fall-back option in case other targets don’t work out.

The sad thing is though, I can easily see him snubbing us in favor of Forest/Villa/Newcastle.

Don’t know how much his background at City matters to him but back in november I definitely thought that he played like someone with a chip on his shoulder.
 
Omari Hutchinson looks like a decent option at the right price.
 
JohnnyLaw said:
Normally you’d think he’d be looked at as the fall-back option in case other targets don’t work out.

The sad thing is though, I can easily see him snubbing us in favor of Forest/Villa/Newcastle.

Don’t know how much his background at City matters to him but back in november I definitely thought that he played like someone with a chip on his shoulder.
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He's not snubbing United for any of those clubs unless he's grown up hating us because he supports one of our rivals. I'll go further and say I reckon there's very few players in those teams you mentioned who wouldn't want to sign for United this summer if we were seriously interested in any of them. I'm not talking about those clubs being prepared to sell them, just whether the players would see United as a massive opportunity over their current club. We're still a club that players would aspire to play for, and if we keep improving like we currently are, then they will be crawling over each other to come to us again.
 
sourdough satellite said:
What about Leeds, Everton, Sporting and Spartak Moscow? Should we avoid players from those clubs as well?
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Of course, it goes without saying. Players from such clubs could never be successful at United.


Steve 007 said:
To score the amount of goals he’s scored in a team about to get relegated is phenomenal. I’d rather take Gyorkeres but this lad will do well. It’s a nonsense to say we should only sign from those 3 anyway. Fernandes came from Sporting, Varane and Casimeiro from Madrid.

Personally I think we need two strikers. Delap and Gyorkeres would do the job. Sell Hojilund.
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dinostar77 said:
So we never should have signed Roy Keane then? Or Paul Ince? Or Ronny Johnsen? Or solskjaer?
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Surely I didn't need to use white text for it to be patently obvious how sarcastic that post was?
 
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DWelbz19 said:
You don’t see the problem in stockpiling young, unproven, strikers to lead the line?

If we sign Rory Delap Jr we’ll have three strikers who have never scored more than 12 goals in one top 5 league season. Delap got 8 in the Championship last year. Zirkzee had two seasons with 2 goals and 11 goals for Bologna. Hojlund had one season with Atalanta where he got 9.

Funnelling these average strike rate young forwards into the biggest club in England in a system that barely screams chance creation and everything is polemic will only end one way.
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A young shearer had 23 goals in 118 games for southampton. His best season with saints he scored 13 before moving to blackburn.

Dogba had 12 goals in 64 games for Le Mans.

Henry had 20 goals in 105 games for Monaco

Thats just an example of a few legendary strikers. The point is that it takes time, experience and maturity to start hitting the 20+ goal seasons.

You do get outlier freaks, but they are few and far between.

No guarentee Hojilund or Delap or Zirkzee could match that output when older, but you cant write them off so early.
 
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