Vitor Pereira is much more experienced than Amorim to be fair. He has coached and won in different countries although never at premier league level.A very likeable guy and we’re all desperate for him to be a success here. However, not having recorded back to back league wins since he’s been here is mental. Wolves won their fourth Premier League game in a row today. Where’s their new coach’s hundreds of millions needed to turn it around? Do all his players fit his system? I know there is some context and things aren’t that simple but, come on, the results have been absolutely shocking and not one of us can honestly say we expected it to be this bad when he was announced last year.
With 6 games to go, we are not mathematically safe from relegation. That’s even more mental.
Personally, one of my biggest worries going forward is what this horrendous start/ run will do to the confidence of him and the players that remain next season. It’s hard enough going into a new season with new players that need bedding in etc, without having nothing in the bank with the supporters and club hierarchy due to an abomination of a season before. Lose a couple of games in a row early next season and will heads start to drop?
Everything seems to be riding on winning the Europa, despite some refusing to think this will have a significant impact on his long term future here. It’s a lot of pressure on a squad that proves time and time again it doesn’t have a remotely strong mentality.
If we don’t progress on Thursday, it won’t be pretty. I think we can win that game, though, despite our current struggles. Gonna take a huge upturn to win the whole thing, mind.
You mean his first full season? Towards the end of Artetas first half season, they were still shite.Towards the end of his first season you could absolutely see their improvements and style of play. They were a real threat. You couldn’t say anything closely similar to Amroim at United.
A PL proven coach would be getting torn to shreds if they were performing like Amorim. We needed a young foreign coach from outside the PL, it makes it easier to delude ourselves into believing he may be the next KloppNewcastle today had Nick Pope, Dan Burns, Livremento, Daryl Murphy, Kieran Trippier, Harvey Barnes starting and Gordon and Wilson coming from the bench, why did United start with one 18 year old English player, the core of our squad is rotten, they are here for the cash and have no true understanding of what it is to play for Manchester United.
We are an English team playing in the English PL without the best English players in our squad, we need to recruit PL proven and the best young English talent available.
I’d go as far as to say we should have probably recruited a PL proven coach too?
Newcastle today had Nick Pope, Dan Burns, Livremento, Daryl Murphy, Kieran Trippier, Harvey Barnes starting and Gordon and Wilson coming from the bench, why did United start with one 18 year old English player, the core of our squad is rotten, they are here for the cash and have no true understanding of what it is to play for Manchester United.
We are an English team playing in the English PL without the best English players in our squad, we need to recruit PL proven and the best young English talent available.
I’d go as far as to say we should have probably recruited a PL proven coach too?
Yep. Then add on to that the 200m pounds spent (and still having to be paid off) on Antony, Hojlund, and Onana by Ten Hag who all need to be replaced also. The current manager has to live in a poorly constructed house while having to pay a huge mortgage leaving little funds for repairs. That's why he deserves some time.I don't want to defend Amorim or even ETH too much but they have both had to deal with the absence of first team attackers who have decided to either go AWOL or rogue. Almost our entire front line have proven to be toxic...
Ronaldo
Greenwood
Sancho
Rashford
And I'm not even including Martial in that.
That's 4 or 5 of our attacking options all left without us getting much money to be able to buy decent replacements.
A very likeable guy and we’re all desperate for him to be a success here. However, not having recorded back to back league wins since he’s been here is mental. Wolves won their fourth Premier League game in a row today. Where’s their new coach’s hundreds of millions needed to turn it around? Do all his players fit his system? I know there is some context and things aren’t that simple but, come on, the results have been absolutely shocking and not one of us can honestly say we expected it to be this bad when he was announced last year.
With 6 games to go, we are not mathematically safe from relegation. That’s even more mental.
Personally, one of my biggest worries going forward is what this horrendous start/ run will do to the confidence of him and the players that remain next season. It’s hard enough going into a new season with new players that need bedding in etc, without having nothing in the bank with the supporters and club hierarchy due to an abomination of a season before. Lose a couple of games in a row early next season and will heads start to drop?
Everything seems to be riding on winning the Europa, despite some refusing to think this will have a significant impact on his long term future here. It’s a lot of pressure on a squad that proves time and time again it doesn’t have a remotely strong mentality.
If we don’t progress on Thursday, it won’t be pretty. I think we can win that game, though, despite our current struggles. Gonna take a huge upturn to win the whole thing, mind.
My fault just corrected myself. After his first game shows we were 12th 6 points off top 5. I'm firmly behind him but to see no improvement in any player bar maybe Amad who was basically a unknown due to lack off game time is worrying.No, when he took over we were 13th, up from 14th at the time of Ten Hag's sacking and after the team had gotten 4 points from Chelsea and Leicester unter Ruud. Both results and performances, on the whole, have been rather poor and no doubt we need to show more going forward. But it's not like he dug us into this hole, he merely didn't dig us out yet.
The point still stands, he needs to be able to have a preseason and a couple of improvements to the squad. Ten Hag invested 120m € in a strike force of Hojlund and Zirkzee and the disciplinary issues of Rashford grew virulent also under him (not saying Ten Hag is to blame for that). That is what Amorim was handed over, a black hole where an attack should be, and he deserves to be given a couple of better attackers in summer. He also deserves to have the Onana debacle sorted out. And then he needs to deliver.
Yep. Then add on to that the 200m pounds spent (and still having to be paid off) on Antony, Hojlund, and Onana by Ten Hag who all need to be replaced also. The current manager has to live in a poorly constructed house while having to pay a huge mortgage leaving little funds for repairs. That's why he deserves some time.
That’s the last I could think of. While they had episodes like when they conceded 8 at Old Trafford, they’d still out in an honest challenge to pick up s card if they got beat for the ball. This lot are happy enough to hope for weak fouls or letting g the opposition waltz right through them.Arsenal for the last 6/7 years of Wenger’s reign were worse than us. They had no ‘enforcers’ like Casemiro/Ugarte/De Ligt/Maguire.
We literally spent over 100m on strikers and whatever Antony was bought for. We've had the funds just the recruitment was utter shite.I don't want to defend Amorim or even ETH too much but they have both had to deal with the absence of first team attackers who have decided to either go AWOL or rogue. Almost our entire front line have proven to be toxic...
Ronaldo
Greenwood
Sancho
Rashford
And I'm not even including Martial in that.
That's 4 or 5 of our attacking options all left without us getting much money to be able to buy decent replacements.
You mean his first full season? Towards the end of Artetas first half season, they were still shite.
But this is why we need to have a good footballing structure who can see past knee jerk reactions and have a view of the bigger picture.Think you're spot on. Assuming no Europa win. If he doesn't start quickly next season you know exactly what's going to happen. First it will be the ex players and pundits, most likely going on about the formation, the the social media influencer scum will follow suit, then the fans in the stadium will start booing, before you know it the players will probably start believing it. "I'm not the problem, I'm an international, it's the coach and his system that's the problem." Tools down.
But we bought Antony when we already had Sancho for the inside right wing. We had Rashford playing inside left wing.We literally spent over 100m on strikers and whatever Antony was bought for. We've had the funds just the recruitment was utter shite.
Thank you. This is all about moving on from accepting perennial top 4 finishes at best with shitty counterattacking football. It’s short term pain for long term gain.As regards Amorim. Our fans have simply refused to acknowledge the steel learning curve our entire squad has had to under go to learn how to play his system. Let alone style of play. This side is literally learning back 3 ball from scratch. Whilst also having to master pressing and football of moving the ball threw all the thirds. Its literally unsurpsing they have struggled. But they will be better for it long term. Those that stay on.
I don't think we're saying Amorim should be fired NOW but he should have done better than he has. Putting the results to one side, do we look like a team that are slowly improving and adapting to the system he wants to play?But this is why we need to have a good footballing structure who can see past knee jerk reactions and have a view of the bigger picture.
None of the decision makers can have expected an immediate change in fortunes. We’ve signed Amorim as a long term project knowing that we don’t have the right squad yet. And Amorim came in knowing that he had a broken squad to work with.
Also whoever we brought in would have a job on their hands to fix the squad quality. If we ship out Amorim right now we still have a squad that is way off the pace.
I think we do look as though we're getting used to it, at last, and improving. Today feels like two steps back and that second half was awful, but in reality there's an element of focus on the EL and this being a bit of a dead rubber.I don't think we're saying Amorim should be fired NOW but he should have done better than he has. Putting the results to one side, do we look like a team that are slowly improving and adapting to the system he wants to play?
I think all of Mazraoui, De Ligt, Yoro, Ugarte are playing fine. Dalot is still Dalot, stable but ultimately not good enough. Bruno has, for my taste, improved massively and has been much more consistent. Zirkzee is clearly improving.My fault just corrected myself. After his first game shows we were 12th 6 points off top 5. I'm firmly behind him but to see no improvement in any player bar maybe Amad who was basically a unknown due to lack off game time is worrying.
He’s been fecking dreadful. An absolute car crash of an appointment.
You seem to be a cup half full bloke so i'm not going to knock you and hopefully next year we'll unanimously agree players are improving and the teams better but for now, me personally going to need to see alot more.I think all of Mazraoui, De Ligt, Yoro, Ugarte are playing fine. Dalot is still Dalot, stable but ultimately not good enough. Bruno has, for my taste, improved massively and has been much more consistent. Zirkzee is clearly improving.
I'd also say Casemiro has been somewhat better in the way Amorim has used him.
Hojlund was not ready before and is not ready now. Onana continues to be our Mignolet. Mainoo was struggling already with fitness and second season syndrome. If he stays, I could see him improving again soon.
The only one that has really become worse in Amorim's system is Garnacho.
Martinez, Mount, Shaw haven't been available.
Regardless of manager, we need meaningful investment at left back/wingback, striker, attacking midfield, and goalkeeper as a minimum. A midfielder if Casemiro leaves. Apart from that, I feel confident that Amorim can work with the squad, and yes, we should expect him to.
So what do you propose then?
Exactly. That's where I'm at. I'm 100% behind him getting more time and some meaningful support from squad building. But I'm also not kidding myself that we can go on playing like that next season and continue to defend him.It is possible to hold the view he needs more time but also hold the view that the performances we've seen so far have been worse than expected,
2 league wins in the last two and half months - Ipswich and Leicester.
It’s not been good
Meh, they also were beaten by Lyon within that timeframe.The fact they beat a prime Pep Man City in the FA Cup Semi Final suggests they wernt
Give it time...we will be moving forward.....their passing is getting much better. Even this shower of shite are slowly getting the system down.Just like the team.
There's little evidence of that whatsoever. He has been shown up badly in this league so far. We've looked alright in the pedestrian Europa League and that's it.I hope you sack him, I think he'll be a great manager.
He has shown he cant get anything out the current squad and hasnt improved a single player since he has been here so keeping him in charge with mostly the same squad will pribably be a waste of time, even if we have the money for a complete rebuild he hasnt shown anything to suggest he'll be the right person to lead that rebuild.
Im sure there are other managers out there that would've gotten more out if the current squad and would have got a few more than 6 wins from the last 21 league games.
Just needs a pre season and another window apparently.He’s been fecking dreadful. An absolute car crash of an appointment.
I don't particularly love keeping all our possession among the back 3. Would be nice to have a system where we keep possession in midfield.
There's little evidence of that whatsoever. He has been shown up badly in this league so far. We've looked alright in the pedestrian Europa League and that's it.
Wolves won their fourth Premier League game in a row today. Where’s their new coach’s hundreds of millions needed to turn it around? Do all his players fit his system? I know there is some context and things aren’t that simple but, come on,
Exactly. That's where I'm at. I'm 100% behind him getting more time and some meaningful support from squad building. But I'm also not kidding myself that we can go on playing like that next season and continue to defend him.
A few hours thinking on the situation and if he goes out on Thursday he should lose his job, we can't be giving a transfer fund to someone with such a poor league record. He has to win the Europa!!
Actually where did that attitude get us last summer!!!
I'm so confused, I don't think he's up to the job, this is a shite squad but we shouldn't be doing so bad.
This place is absolutely deluded at times. A lot of people can’t see the reality of a situation even when it’s bashing them right in the bollocks.Just needs a pre season and another window apparently.
