Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

MaxZorin said:
I think that's a fair take and if Amorim heard it, he'd probably agree with it.
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The very fact he’d probably agree with it is a red flag!

At what point do we start asking him to zip it up and concentrate on improving his dismal PL record of 23 points from 21 PL matches! With a 28% win rate and 48% loss rate!

He would have had 27 games by the end of the season, if he’s got 28 to 29 points or 1.08 points per game then what ?

If we had appointed a more experienced Mamager like Xavi, or a more experienced PL manager like Raiola or Thomas Frank and any one of them might have averaged just 1.6 points per game over those 21 matches, the club would currently be on 50 points and have an outside chance of qualifying for European football.

Maybe none of those chances would have called this squad the worst in history and the players performed at a higher level, maybe a coach who has more experience of PL football might have won 3 or 4 of those drawn matches and drawn 3 or 4 of those 10 lost matches?

Coincidentally after the same games played last year we had 48 points not 38, we spent £200m+ and become a much poorer team.

Thats why A rookie coach like Amorim might not be given any time if a coach like Xavi, Ancelotti or Zidane becomes available?

I repeat I want Ruben to do well but if he doesn’t win the Europa league and start well next season then we need to get rid of him by November 2025.
 
maniak said:
He had success in portugal and managed to beat strong teams in europe with that formation. It was shaky at first in sporting, but once he got the players, they were excellent.

Liverpool is winning, so no need to change. United is a mess, so more room to shake things up.
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For the record this is only his second European 1/4 final and so far he’s never coached a European team in a semi final!
 
Woziak said:
The very fact he’d probably agree with it is a red flag!

At what point do we start asking him to zip it up and concentrate on improving his dismal PL record of 23 points from 21 PL matches! With a 28% win rate and 48% loss rate!

He would have had 27 games by the end of the season, if he’s got 28 to 29 points or 1.08 points per game then what ?

If we had appointed a more experienced Mamager like Xavi, or a more experienced PL manager like Raiola or Thomas Frank and any one of them might have averaged just 1.6 points per game over those 21 matches, the club would currently be on 50 points and have an outside chance of qualifying for European football.

Maybe none of those chances would have called this squad the worst in history and the players performed at a higher level, maybe a coach who has more experience of PL football might have won 3 or 4 of those drawn matches and drawn 3 or 4 of those 10 lost matches?

Coincidentally after the same games played last year we had 48 points not 38, we spent £200m+ and become a much poorer team.

Thats why A rookie coach like Amorim might not be given any time if a coach like Xavi, Ancelotti or Zidane becomes available?

I repeat I want Ruben to do well but if he doesn’t win the Europa league and start well next season then we need to get rid of him by November 2025.
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How is Xavi a more experienced manager?
 
Did some research, so here’s a stat: since United won at the Etihad on 15th December 2024, they have beaten only one PL team from outside the relegation zone in 16 attempts. Only other wins vs PL opposition in that time were versus Ipswich, Soton and Leicester (x2).
 
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I keep my opinion on him:
The potencial is there to become a manager to get 80 points per season on the Premier League, but...

André Dominguez said:
Something tells me that the sack watch words are going to be added to the thread title sooner than we thought.

He's quite a promising manager, but it's just not working. Not only is not working, but it's getting worse as the season advances, which brings the "we need more training" theory down. The club should just assume the casting error and make one less transfer next season to cover his contract termination.
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FortunaUtd said:
How is Xavi a more experienced manager?
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He’s won a league title in one of the top 3 leagues. He’s won everything in the game as a player, he’s a bonafied winner who would play 433 not a ridiculous 5221 defensive system!
 
RedRocket9908 said:
We should replace him with someone who can get a tune out of the players we've got as Ruben has shown he cant do that and we dont have the money to buy all the players he is going to need to be successful
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I don't think these players are going to improve much with a new coach. There's quite a striking issue with regards to quality.
 
André Dominguez said:
I keep my opinion on him:
The potencial is there to become a manager to get 80 points per season on the Premier League, but...
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There currently isn’t anything that suggests he can get 50-55 points in the EPL even after we back him unless he goes back to his attacking 3421 system and abandons this ultra defensive 5221 with two defensive midfielders!
 
Woziak said:
He’s won a league title in one of the top 3 leagues. He’s won everything in the game as a player, he’s a bonafied winner who would play 433 not a ridiculous 5221 defensive system!
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Come on. Expecting these players to perform better in a 4-3-3 or a 4-3-2-1 is like expecting a pig to fly. It’s not going to work.
 
Formation sucks though. A very predictable way of playing with no creativity.
 
Woziak said:
There currently isn’t anything that suggests he can get 50-55 points in the EPL even after we back him unless he goes back to his attacking 3421 system and abandons this ultra defensive 5221 with two defensive midfielders!
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That's a bit of my point too a few weeks ago:

André Dominguez said:
My biggest concern is that we are talking about football as if it was some sort of tactical rocket science.
But it isn't.
We all can see that for this system to work we need center backs who can read the game and go up to the midfield for interceptions, AM/Wingers hybrids that have very good endurance because those guys will be all over the place and the wingbacks have to read the game well to understand if they have to be on the inside or outside.

In the portuguese league this is easier to achieve because teams under top 6 sit very deep and will mostly play on getting the most of the mistakes bigger clubs make during the match.

In England, every team will be pressing you and cuting the passing lances, which means players need to be very sharp on their decisions.

The good thing of this system is that if you recover the ball fast, you can heavily punish the opposition. But will it be achievable in a time where specialized roles are a thing?
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If we win the Europa he's a genius.

If he doesn't and we are the same team at the end of November the pressure will be on.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
We should replace him with someone who can get a tune out of the players we've got as Ruben has shown he cant do that and we dont have the money to buy all the players he is going to need to be successful
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I would caution not to make the mistake of believing in these players; even if the current manager is not the right man.
 
Superunknown said:
I agree that it's difficult to judge him given that he's come part-way through a season with players going, and it's a real hodgepodge of a squad. But, there are no guarantees that he's ever going to get all or even most of the players he's going to need to fully maximise his tactics and intentions...whatever they may be.

We can talk about who the strikers should be, but all I saw today were, at times, all 11 players at times behind the ball, with us camped in our own box for large portions of that game. We had two real opportunities in that first half, which was that lovely move that resulted in the Zirkzee chance, and then the one we scored from. Aside from that, we could easily have been down at the break.

I've largely been Amorim-in for most of his time here and I fully understand that he's not got it easy. At the same time, the way we were playing today will just not do and we will not win many games playing this way. And, the crucial thing is that we haven't been winning many games this way. We spend too much of our time in our own half as whenever the opposition attack, we go from a back three to a back five...which almost always becomes a back seven with the two central midfielders dropping back, too. That only leaves three players to act as our outlets going the other way, and if they also drop back as they quite often do, that leaves us with nothing. When teams come onto us, we've got nothing to hit them back with. We're too reliant on our centre backs having the ball, to the point where we play ourselves into trouble from goal kicks or whenever we restart play with the keeper.

All I can see Amorim doing is largely the same thing with possibly better players. I say possibly because we don't know who is actually going to be coming in, as we don't know who the club are targeting. Our recruitment has been shite for the last decade (hence why we're in this mess) and I'm yet to be convinced that is going to be better. He has lost me a little after today due to the way we played, coupled with our lack of tenacity, mobility, doggedness, and the ease of which we make mistakes. I'm sure every other manager in the country would love to have prime Maldini, Pirlo, Zidane, Cruyff and Cantona in their squad, but they don't. Sometimes you've got to make do with what you have got and build from that, improving as you go. The manner in which we played that second half was terrible and just not acceptable. Think the fans will have a meltdown if we put in a performance like that on Thursday against Lyon.
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I welcomed Amorim with full enthusiasm, I was actually bragging to me mates! Especially when his sporting team beat City in the UCL (little did I know City was having a meltdown, Arsenal later thrashed that same sporting CP) However after a few games I became disillusioned with whatever the man was trying to do. Whatever he's trying to do, it's not going to work in the EPL. Our players are better than the current position we occupying! We all need to start pointing fingers at the manager. I'm definitely not Amorim in please.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
This is nothing more than a meaningless cliché
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I mean., I guess. But still, it’s the truth. We can’t keep going through the same old of shit of hiring somebody who gets us top four in his first season but inevitably falls off in his second season. I don’t see anybody else who would be able to get past that. I’ve had enough of the same cycle of shit that we’ve had to put up with for the past 12 years.
 
The season is almost over, let’s see how next season goes. This is a really long process, we may well see the fruits of it in 2, 3, maybe 4 years or more. Or we may not, it’s far too soon to make that judgement. One things for sure, constantly changing manager and hoping one of them can turn this squad in to title winners will never ever work and we’ll repeat the cycle forever. We have to pick a manager and stick with them and develop. Arteta has been at Arsenal for 6 years and still hasn’t won the title with them, but he’s turned them around. This is the template we need to follow but the fanbase doesn’t seem to have the patience for it. I sure hope the club does. And nobody yet knows if Amorim is the right man for the job in the long term, he hasn’t even been here a year yet not had a proper transfer window.
 
Woziak said:
He’s won a league title in one of the top 3 leagues. He’s won everything in the game as a player, he’s a bonafied winner who would play 433 not a ridiculous 5221 defensive system!
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My question was how you can claim Xavi is a more experienced manager than Amorim when he obviously isn't. Guess the fact that you change the subject to Xavi's playing career and being a "winner" means you're conceding the point.
 
All I will say is the constant manager riders have been proven wrong every single time.

Amorim will not turn this around, just as EtH didn’t, like Ole and Mourinho and LVG before him. His tenure is worst than moyes and ragnick.

His system is poor and his stubbornness is worse. If he could have trained the team effectively if he came in the summer, then there was no reason to throw away this season as he has done.

He doesn’t know what to do. He is a 1 trick pony and his trick has failed spectacularly, and will do so next season as well. It’s as obvious as was the case with eth in the summer.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
I mean., I guess. But still, it’s the truth. We can’t keep going through the same old of shit of hiring somebody who gets us top four in his first season but inevitably falls off in his second season. I don’t see anybody else who would be able to get past that. I’ve had enough of the same cycle of shit that we’ve had to put up with for the past 12 years.
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Except, we can. We have to keep doing it until we get it right - Amorim isn’t the right one
 
pcaming said:
All I will say is the constant manager riders have been proven wrong every single time.

Amorim will not turn this around, just as EtH didn’t, like Ole and Mourinho and LVG before him. His tenure is worst than moyes and ragnick.

His system is poor and his stubbornness is worse. If he could have trained the team effectively if he came in the summer, then there was no reason to throw away this season as he has done.

He doesn’t know what to do. He is a 1 trick pony and his trick has failed spectacularly, and will do so next season as well. It’s as obvious as was the case with eth in the summer.
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What a fecking shit post. It really does seem like some people just want to moan. We are actually improving in performances, yet some people don’t want to see it.
 
Woziak said:
He’s won a league title in one of the top 3 leagues. He’s won everything in the game as a player, he’s a bonafied winner who would play 433 not a ridiculous 5221 defensive system!
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Yeah pal. It still baffles me how we didn't go for Xavi. He won the league with Barcelona for crying out loud. He would have blended that team into a working machine. Amorim has proven that the Portuguese league is way way below the EPL standards. One reason why we not doing so badly in Europe is because the European opponents are not as aggressive as EPL teams, they also cannot sustain good tactical pressure. Only the very top teams in Italy, Spain, France and Germany can do that. Amorim has made it difficult to trust him though, very difficult. He bought Dorgu and benched him today, it's already showing the problem isn't the players, it's the manager... Interesting times ahead.
 
Xtal said:
I welcomed Amorim with full enthusiasm, I was actually bragging to me mates! Especially when his sporting team beat City in the UCL (little did I know City was having a meltdown, Arsenal later thrashed that same sporting CP) However after a few games I became disillusioned with whatever the man was trying to do. Whatever he's trying to do, it's not going to work in the EPL. Our players are better than the current position we occupying! We all need to start pointing fingers at the manager. I'm definitely not Amorim in please.
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I don't think they are .


We have the double whammy of very poor players and an inflexible one dimensional manager.
 
I am afraid the owners will repeat the same mistakes:

1. They found excuses to keep ETH, a manager who was failling.
2. They supported him, buying "his players", which left us with a mediocre squad.

If they do this again with Amorim, we can end up with a squad that tries to play 3-4-3, that have practized 3-4-3 for a full year ... and the next manager will need a whole new squad and time to teach them the new system! Again!

But what happens if we end up even lower next year? We are 14th with goal difference minus 7. How can anyone find excuses for this?
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
What a fecking shit post. It really does seem like some people just want to moan. We are actually improving in performances, yet some people don’t want to see it.
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“Improving” yet we still always concede, still struggle to score and are terrible with the ball…I won’t apologise for thinking that’s not good enough.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
What a fecking shit post. It really does seem like some people just want to moan. We are actually improving in performances, yet some people don’t want to see it.
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Give it a rest with the deluded cult shit. Amorim has come in and taken us further down the table. Nothing has improved. You can have the opinion that you want him to be given time, without resorting to lies
 
pcaming said:
“Improving” yet we still always concede, still struggle to score and are terrible with the ball…I won’t apologise for thinking that’s not good enough.
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We’re still better in performances than we were under EtH. Way better. It’s just that our luck has caught up with us.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
Why should i hate a man i dont know, never met.
A man who met ME supporting United, will leave me supporting United.

I love Manchester UNITED more than Amorim. Because i know Amorim will leave me here. ETH went left us here. Some of us tried to warn people without a flat 3 midfielders ETH wont make it, we were called names. ETH left, we are here me and you still struggling with our team.

Then another guy from Portugal comes to our club, results plummets massively but Fooza we should act normal?

We need to be honest with ourselves. Amorim appointment is leaning on being a massive blunder. It took Ashworth with it. If the appointment fails, it needs to take out whoever supported this appointment.
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This is one of the primary reasons why it's likely Amorim will be here for next season. Berrada bet his house on him and he should be gone too if/when Amorim goes next season. He overrode the Sporting Director and personally negotiated for Amorim with Sporting. He'll be fighting tooth and nail for Ratcliffe and the Glazers to give him a chance.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Give it a rest with the deluded cult shit. Amorim has come in and taken us further down the table. Nothing has improved. You can have the opinion that you want him to be given time, without resorting to lies
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Jesus fecking Christ, this isn’t “cult shit”. Obviously we’re worse, every woman and her cat can see that. I’m just tired of people pretending that the managers of Fulham and Brentford would do better. No they wouldn’t.

It’s really bad because this forum was toxic as feck last season, and it’s even more toxic now. I just want us to be good again :(
 
pcaming said:
All I will say is the constant manager riders have been proven wrong every single time.

Amorim will not turn this around, just as EtH didn’t, like Ole and Mourinho and LVG before him. His tenure is worst than moyes and ragnick.

His system is poor and his stubbornness is worse. If he could have trained the team effectively if he came in the summer, then there was no reason to throw away this season as he has done.

He doesn’t know what to do. He is a 1 trick pony and his trick has failed spectacularly, and will do so next season as well. It’s as obvious as was the case with eth in the summer.
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Feasible looking at the fixture list combined with our dire form and injuries we dont win again this season.

I personally dont see anything of note on the pitch at present tactically. I dont watch us play and say ‘I can see positives but can tell we need a better player in x position’. On a more simple note, we dont score many and we concede bucketloads, always a surefire guarantee of disaster.
For me this is the absolute worst I have seen us post Fergie, and I’ve never seen a manager recover a nosedive like this at any club.

I predict us spending money on players in the summer for him and this form continues so he is gone by October.

Theres a lack of perspective from fans - we’ll more than likely finish bottom 6. We are that level now. Teams in that bracket regularly chop managers. We are still dining out on this idea we are a really successful club so managers should get longer stints. We are going to have to fight hard amongst the likes of Palace, Bournemouth, Fulham etc next season to try and get into the top half. This form continues and we are going into the championship.

I’d laugh if anyone here thinks we are signing a few players and finishing top 6 next year from this position
 
I’ll ask a question for the doubters: whom do you think will get us back to being title contenders? Whom do you think will be able to finally break the cycle of getting top four and then falling off? Because that is what we are aiming for, and that is what we need. Nothing less.
 
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