Maybe this thread should be locked during the games, just like the treads in the player performances forum.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
The Cl money to qualify is 90 mil pounds. Not asking to pump more money, asking to invest properly this time. We need it, debts are part of every business. The management of debt is the key.
It will feel too much like a fairytale if our heroics against Lyon actually come to mean something and Amorim masterminds a win against a hard to beat Bilbao side. If we’re following the script, we’d lose the 2 legs against Bilbao convincingly and go out on a whimper.
We haven’t been convincing in front of goal for sometime now and rely on Bruno and Harry for goals so this cup run bubble would have to burst at some point.
I hope I’m proven wrong. I really do.
We haven’t been convincing in front of goal for sometime now and rely on Bruno and Harry for goals so this cup run bubble would have to burst at some point.
I hope I’m proven wrong. I really do.
Tactics means squat if we don’t have the qualities needed to play them. That’s our biggest problem for a very long time now.
Don’t tell me LVG, Jose, and RR don’t know anything about tactics
Low block in the away leg. Play as we did against Liverpool away and we can get a result.
I don't tell you that but LVG and Jose were considered dinosaurs already when they were here and RR had what felt like 20minutes with a squad who didn't even bother to move for him. The last 10 years have shown that the best teams combine great players with very good tactics. And they have shown that teams with very good tactics are able to trump teams without that even though the individual talent levels might be in favor of the team without the tactics.
Your initial statement sounded as if you'd say that tactics mean absolutely nothing, and I am strongly opposed to that. If that wasn't what you meant and you see it like 80-20 or 75-25 then thats subjective I guess. I reacted to the absolute'ness of the statement.
I get what you're saying mate, all clubs have debt to varying levels and the club need to manage it better. That wasn't happening under Woodward/Arnold, they were gambling every summer on CL qualification and buying players on tick. But under Ineos I don't see us borrowing to buy players anymore. Which is a good thing as the debt was becoming unmanageable.
I know the popular narrative is that the team gave up trying to gegenpress after one match under Ralf. But I'm almost certain in the presser for the very next match he said that he was impressed but that he didn't want them to continue with it. As the squad didn't have the fitness to continue with that style and that mid-season was not the time to try to implement a completely different style of play.
Fair point. I actually didn't mean "didn't bother to move for him" in the most literal sense but I can see how it can be misinterpreted especially in that context. It made sense for him to ditch his intensive concept and adapt - his 4-2-2-2 (I guess just like any other formation) doesn't have to be played with such intensity even though it is probably designed to be played with it - at least for him. I consider RR as somebody who has the acumen to teach players a modern playstyle. But not in the short time he got and not with so many players seemingly checking out when it became clear, he'd only be a temporary solution. The other poster mentioned LVG, Mou and him as if "we'd tried tactics, didn't work, try something else". A bit like the infamous "we tried experienced top coaches, didn't work, do something else". I thought that way of depicting it isn't very smart.
Ya you're probably right.
Read a few quotes from a Spanish newspaper about how poor our attack is (they emphatically say Bruno is the exception, and throw in a bit of praise for Garanacho) and how we’re more dangerous when things devolve into chaos and it got me thinking, with the players returning surely Amorim could try and play a false 9? I didn’t think Hojlund did bad at all against Lyon but I’d be interested to see the attack shape up a bit differently, especially when Amad comes back.
Back to normality
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It's a game we should have won.
Can't take our chances.
But no one can convince me that this system is what it is about. It's crap.
Can't take our chances.
But no one can convince me that this system is what it is about. It's crap.
What’s the reason to give him another season even if we do win the EL?
Just don't pick up any injuries before the EL semi
Blind hope pretty much
Agreed. Outplaying the opposition but lacking any forward capable of scoring.
We had chances. Bruno, Mount should have at least hit the target
Because he is the right manager.
Qualifying for the Champions League might be a good reason
And that’s why this loss is not on the manager.
Curious as to how Amorim lost us this game? From what I saw we looked pretty comfortable and should have scored a couple of goals.
Common sense and a minimally nuanced understanding of professional football.
He has to take a lot of blame for our performances. I don't care what anyone says.
I want him gone. He's shite and not cut out for this league. Getting this in before we get dumped out of the Europa.
I've never seen a worse version of 3-4-3 than the way Amorim implements it.
Going into games with Hojlund as the main goal threat is painful. Even Wolves have a far better forward line than us and that's why we're where we're at at.
It's really not much more complicated than that.
It's really not much more complicated than that.
If 'should have' keeps happening, it's not a freak occurrence anymore
Results in the league have been beyond unacceptable. Far beyond unacceptable.
Did the Wolves keeper make a save?
Exactly. I’ve come the conclusion that many posters on this forum either don’t watch the games, are professional trolls, or just plain bot accounts.
Common sense might be one of the reasons.
Plenty of games where we shouldn't have won that we lost though. More than anything though it highlights how crap our attacking players are.
As far as I’m concerned, as soon as our board decided to send out three attacking players in January and bring no one in, they were throwing in the towel for the season. I don’t think we can fairly assess Amorim on that basis.
We are definitely more solid as a team in general, some of our play looks decent and a couple of youngsters look promising. Without any decent forwards though of course we’re going to struggle
We are definitely more solid as a team in general, some of our play looks decent and a couple of youngsters look promising. Without any decent forwards though of course we’re going to struggle
Get ready for some amazing circular logic
The same common sense made us keep ETH after the cup win. It will end in a carbon copy situation
Some people just want to moan, it seems.
Most of our problems are down to us more or less playing with 10 men all year because our #9 is calamitously ineffective. Swap Hojlund with a Gyokeres, Osimhen, or other proven goal scorer, and we will quickly be in the top 4 mix next year.
The squad is fecked with Eth shite. I am giving reuben the following season to see if he can turn things around.