This is it man. It would have been better if he just pretending hes not capable of talking for some reason. Its a shame. He is way too honest and transparent.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
This is at the very top of my don't understand why people don't understand this list. This system likes to use wide overloads and ball switches in its build up, but when the players out on the flanks don't pose a threat, defenders aren't going to break their shape just for the fun of it. Of the players we have available only Mainoo (who was injured for a while) and Garnacho can do damage out wide when they have space, but it's still hard to pull defenders out there when they know there's not much risk in giving the wingback space. For some reason, the loudest people in this thread can't or won't think beyond what's on the surface or apply the slightest bit of context, or even take a second to understand how this system is supposed to work.
We’re Manchester United, our new manager has 1 point per game over 22 league games, he’s lost half his games; of course it’s constant negativity.
Only difference here is that we’re probably, along with the scousers, the only big club in football where fans would be angry at other fans for being negative in this situation, because you have to ”believe”.
I’ll stop being negative about his stint as manager as soon as he gives me something to be positive about, such as a Europa League trophy.
At that point I won’t have to ”reframe” anything, I’ll be delighted he’s finally showing he’s worth some of the time and money the club has invested in him.
He's 100% spot on. There's pages and pages of drivel here and all of it amounts to "the results are bad at the moment". When anyone applies the slightest bit of context, acucumber9 and the rest of the posters who think their football brain is a combination of Cruyff, Capello and Guardiolla tell them they're making excuses, and they legit think they have something to teach us, when In reality, they just scream the loudest and don't understand why the context is even applicable in the first place. We're all just fans at the end of the day, but some seem to think they know so much that they're above just being supportive and seeing how things unfold.
Brilliant! All this time I thought we were Wigan. How can you say that without applying the slightest bit of context regarding how this club was ran for over a decade? We're Manchester United means very little right now.
How awesome that we bought Dorgu then.
No manager has started as poorly, nor has any manager had such a fecking horrendous record.
But hey, this one is special innit so we should forgive him for starting worse than Ten Hag finished, how could he possibly do better?
No one here is dumb enough to think this team can improve with the worst striker in the league. It's just the same lot who moaned after a few weeks of him being in charge when they didn't like his formation and now are trying to find more ammo.
I’d argue those on the ”believe” bandwagon are the ones believing they have something to teach the rest, something about patience, something about how Fergie didn’t come great straight away.
It’s the same scream it at the top of your lungs nonsense we have heard for manager after manager as they eventually all fail to become Fergie reincarnated.
Didn’t Pep play an entire season without a striker?
He had an embarrassment of top quality attacking players at his disposal. It’s not really the same, is it?
It’s also proof it’s daft to pretend one position means a manager can’t possibly move up the table.
If Højlund is ”the worst striker in the league”, play someone else, change your tactic.
Goal posts shifting to wingbacks in 3,2,1...
Oh dear
Aye, and if our new Summer striker gets injured in September, I assume we expect us to go back to 1 point per game again?
The very idea one position means a team can’t improve is what deserves the laughing emoji.
On the flip side, this season showed how not having the ideal players for a system (City with their injuries) can massively derail things. ETH didn't have a leg to stand on because he assembled this team to play to his vision, but Ruben doesn't even have that privilege.
City have had a bizarre season. Thought I read they should be top on xP but appears I misread.
Or maybe it’s true:
https://footystats.org/england/premier-league/xpts
It’s not a matter of belief. The fact that you think that pretty much sums up my point.
They always ignore the context of Fergie's early years. He was ALREADY a great manager, but he had to totally rebuild the club and he didn't always buy the right player and possibly sold the wrong one (McGrath), McClair not scoring 20 goals after his debut. But ultimately managed to make progress wieh the first team and behind the scenes to win the league. His first two seasons were, saving us from relegation by finishing 11th, then finishing 2nd.
ah…. So you simply think saying nothing is better than saying something negative ?
So what do you even see that is objective fact to keep him beyond this season? What progress?
Having technical wingbacks might be more beneficial if we had a #9 who could actually score goals.
I think Amorim has all the personality traits, but not the players. Once he makes a few signings this summer, we are likely to have a brand new team to attack the league and (hopefully) CL next year.
Hojlund has scored in 12 league games for us during his time here.
We've won 9 of those, drawn two, lost one. The one we lost was Forest at home this season when Onana imploded.
When our striker scores we nearly always win. There's no point denying the strong correlation between your striker scoring and winning games. It's a thing for all teams.
It's a desperate situation. We badly need goals, the team will improve dramatically with new forwards who can score alone.
What happens if they only bring in 1 player because they can't find buyers for Rashford and Antony? What if they they can't land their number one targets and have to go to third or fourth choice? What if their umber 1 targets are more like Rasmus, Zirkzee, and Dorgu? Young, relatively inexperienced from not mid table Italian sides.
Do we just accept we have to be in a relegation scrap?
Do we just accept we have to be in a relegation scrap?
A fascinating stat. Just imagine where we would be if he could've replicated his numbers of last year alone, never mind where our table position if we added a proper striker next year.
Rashford and Antony can be loaned again. Rashford has no way back with Amorim and should ideally be sold, even if its at a lesser rate. Antony will have a significant market given how well he's played in Spain.
Who else? The main issue we have very few, if any, quality forward players to call on. There is hardly any attacking quality whatsoever in the squad. Comparing it to a prime Man City squad is redundant.
You still don't get it.
It's not a matter of belief when you actually understand the players this system requires, how different it is from the things they were asked to do under Ten Hag, how difficult it is to implement coming in midyear and at the same time the benefits of going into the summer with experience under their belt and how that could benefit the new players coming in this summer. It also helps to understand the negative atmosphere that has been fostered at this club for over a decade, how it directly reflects results on the pitch, and did so under Ten Hag and Ole, and that it's something that can ONLY be turned around by implementing a clear and concise LONG TERM (long term being more than 6 months) strategy, because a club that was purposely not ran like a professional football club for over a decade isn't going to just magically transform. This is before we even get into 3 of our 5-6 most important players have been now injured long term. There is no guarantee that it'll happen under Amorim, but all of the context I've applied is fact based. The delusion of thinking you're so smart that you already know he'll fail with the data you have today is utter fiction.
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There are no other viable options other than Hojlund obviously. The very fact that Hojlund has been the starting #9 for most of the year is proof that we don't have any better alternatives, which is why its critical we buy a proper striker this summer.
Not really sure what your point is here. Yes, if we fail to add any quality to the squad we'll continue to struggle to some degree. I would still expect to see progress under Amorimm with a fit squad, but it would be hard capped if we have the same attackers as this season.
I think United need better forward players in general. The only one I’m really confident about is Amad, and he is still still relatively young with lots to prove.
It’s fine saying Man City played without a striker, but they had the likes of Foden, Mahrez, Silva, Jesus, etc etc. There really is no comparison.
Oh feck me.
1. I haven’t said he’ll fail. I desperately want him to win the EL and succeed, he’s an extremely likeable and charismatic bloke.
I absolutely do not want him sacked.
2. The delusion is you thinking all of this was inevitable and that you know better than those doubting why his start has been so horrible.
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Nail on head.
Nail on head.
Højlund... He's categorically awful and incapable of playing the role... But on the other hand is somehow the only player at the club capable of playing the role.
Nah I think Maguire can do it better
It's beginning to look like it.
A conundrum that will finally be resolved this summer.
Do you not think the bigger problem is we have to rely on him, though?
United should not be in a position to rely on a young player who has potential. He needs to have an experienced striker or two to learn off and ease into the team for years to come. Every other big team has multiple options whereas at United, all the weight in the world is on the shoulders of an inexperienced 22 year old at a level that he isn't ready for yet.
Even someone like Watkins up top would make such a difference for United and in the coming season or two Rasmus could fit in when he is ready.
I can't understand why this isn't a talking point. Not comparing but when Rooney was signed....RVN was there, Saha etc... Rooney was special I'm just using him as an example for a young player coming in.