Reminds me of 2017 when there was a narrative that we must lift the Europa League trophy to court Antoine Griezmann. We all know how that turned out.
Viktor Gyökeres
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I just checked Gyokeres record and he had 17 and then 18npg seasons at Coventry, in 46 games. Nothing too spectacular especially for how much people talk about it. I can’t attach media but I’ve gone through a list of each golden boot winner in the Championship and:
Szmodics 27
Akpom 24
Mitrovic 37
Toney 22
Mitrovic 22
Pukki 21
Vydra 15
Grabben 14
These are mostly average players, Mitrovic took like 3 attempts to get going in the Premier League, Toney was good but he had lots of other strengths.
There’s just too many red flags about Gyokeres, with his fundamentals, while his record isn’t *that* brilliant when dissected and the price tag. Also interesting how no club is dying for him, apart from the one who has his former manager in charge
You misread it. The post was talking about only being able to afford one or the other in response to other posts saying buy both alongside Cunha
Delap I think would be 30m but relatively low wages (probably under 100k/w), while Gyokeres you're looking at 60m or so with 200k/w+. That's probably where the biggest financial change is between the 2. But generally yeah I think we can buy Delap and Cunha without CL football, or Gyokeres and Cunha without it, then other signings are more dependent on the +/- of transfers which will happen, just the extent is unknown.
I remember people saying Zlatan and Henrik Larsson wouldn't be good enough for the Premier League... Come to think of it someone needs to get them on the phone to Gyökeres, to tell him what it's like being adored by United fans.
I'll hold my hand up on that one
Yeah teams don't play with two strikers now, also the small matter of not being able to finance too
Yeah fine, but I watched him a few times during the Amad at Sunderland season and it was obvious to me that he had the abilities to play at a higher level regardless of his, or other Championship strikers, stats.
My point was that Kane wasn't at all prolific in his League 1 or Championship loans and didn't impress me when I watched him for England U21's either. Just because someone has played in the Championship doesn't mean they're Championship level.
If Amorim wants Gyokeres then you'd think he would be the best judge.
Let's get that win tonight and give him a dilemma
Far too similar in playing style, delap is a 5 years younger albeit less developed gyokeres.
It will just show ruthlessness if we get both and loan / sell Rasmus though wouldn't it.
It would really show that we mean business.
Yeah it really would, however @dinostar77 makes a valid point about similar playing style. So could Gyokeres and more of a cheap aerial presence striker fit better
Would it matter if they are similar playstyle though? Having a 27 year old and a 22 year old would work even if they are quite similar.
One to take the batten on after few years?
I don't think we will have to worry about that as all noises suggest it's only going to be him or Delap
Apologies for terrible screengrabs. However useful to see. First is delap v gyokeres. Second with the circled arrow is delap if Ipswich had on average 48% more possession per game as Sporting do in Portugal in comparison to Ipswich.
There really isn't much difference between them in how they play.
There really isn't much difference between them in how they play.
Lovely idea but just never going to happen. It will be one or the other at best and could quite possibly be neither as we are not the only option they have and frankly we are far from the most attractive option at this point in time. I am still waiting for the news of Gyokeres to Arsenal and Delap to Chelsea swiftly followed by us pivoting to another target like Moise Kean whilst briefing this was the plan all along.
If Delap goes to Chelsea, that would be very good for us, as it would allow us to open up our striker recruitment to players like Schick, Sesko, and others.
Just so you know Delap is not a worse player than sesko
Apologies for terrible screengrabs. However useful to see. First is delap v gyokeres. Second with the circled arrow is delap if Ipswich had on average 48% more possession per game as Sporting do in Portugal in comparison to Ipswich.
There really isn't much difference between them in how they play.
Could just actually watch them play and realise this ain't true at all?
I don't think Delap is bad. He's just not good enough to be the primary #9 and would be better suited as a 2nd striker at a club the size of United. At least Sesko scores a lot of goals in a big 5 league, which can't be discounted.
He's scored one more goal than delap in league games this season.
Sesko is a good player and they're both on a pretty similar level imo but I'm just pointing out that there's probably a level of Anti-english bias going on here when it comes to judging Delap.
Yeah it beggars belief that experienced striker isn't above him on the shortlist but guess that's due to price
Amorim's first real test.
I get why you would want to not so similar strikers, but the insider would be being able to play in the same way when one of them is out/injured.
Anyway, no way we are getting both. Hoping for Gyökeres
Anyway, no way we are getting both. Hoping for Gyökeres
The only major difference between them would seem to be that Sesko will cost more than twice as much. I still have hope that Arteta gets his way and Arsenal stick with the original idea of signing Sesko clearing the path for us to get Gyokeres. I do feel that Victor would give us more of an immediate impact even if he is just Delap with a bit more experience.
More importantly he's scored 21 goals in all comps in just a few more fixtures than Delap, who has managed 12 this entire year. As for an anti-English bias, Delap wouldn't even receive consideration on this site if he wasn't English/Irish. Its not as if the likes of Bayern, PSG, and Barca are queuing up to sign him. Therefore a significant portion of his credibility as a player is linked to his nationality, not the other way around. If Kane, for instance, would've been available and prepared to sign for United when he left Spurs, a vast majority on this site would've been for it because he's a proven goal scorer.
Apologies for terrible screengrabs. However useful to see. First is delap v gyokeres. Second with the circled arrow is delap if Ipswich had on average 48% more possession per game as Sporting do in Portugal in comparison to Ipswich.
There really isn't much difference between them in how they play.
Or you could watch multiple analysis videos of the pair of them and see they come to the same conclusion that they are very similar players.
Sørloth is the one we’re sleeping on I think.
I hope your wish comes true. The issue is Liverpool may be interested in Sesko as well.
Curious about your logic here. Sorloth was an abject failure at Palace and barely better than that at Leipzig. He has had a couple of decent seasons in La Liga but then Antony looks like prime Ronaldinho playing in that league so I would not place too much weight on success there. Atletico only signed him last year for 32M and presumably would want a profit on that if they were to sell him, factor in that he is about to turn 30 and he seems exactly the type of player we should be staying far away from.
IMO, they are quite different and Sesko is easily the better prospect with the much higher ceiling.
Delap is an ultra low touch striker and has been the same at four different clubs over the last three years. People get confused because they see highlights of him receiving outlet balls and carrying it forward (which is a big strength) and they think he must be highly involved in the team's play but he just isn't. He's in the 3rd percentile of all forwards for passes completed and his numbers were similar at all his different stops in the Championship, something that the eye test confirms. Watch a whole Ipswich match and see how little he touches the ball. He's basically a two dimensional player - either finishing in the box or carrying the ball pretty effectively through the thirds, but offers nothing in terms of linkup with teammates. He is also relatively right foot dominant and a non-presence aerially in terms of his scoring abilities. He's young and has room to improve but a guy who doesn't get involved much in possession and doesn't have great finishing repertoire just doesn't have a hugely high ceiling.
Sesko has better all around linkup play (although I think it could still improve considerably) and has a wider variety of finishing skills. He's dynamite shooting off both feet and really good in the air. The big issue with Sesko is that he doesn't seem to get on the end of chances very often and the 100 million pound question is whether that is because he has poor instincts/hunger to score or whether he just hasn't gotten enough service at RBL. If its the former then he'll probably never justify his fee, if its the latter then he'll become one of the best strikers in the world. There is a reason that nearly every big club in the world has been tracking Sesko for the last 3-4 years.
Where do you get twice as much from?
Gyokeres has been widely reported as being available for 55M in this window, Sorloth was 32M last year and after scoring 20 goals for them Atletico will want a profit to sell him. They could very well end up costing pretty much the same unless you know something the rest of us don't.
Regarding their age. Gyokeres will turn 27 this summer and appears to be entering his prime whereas Sorloth will turn 30 before the midway point of next season. Two and a half years may not seem like much but there is a far greater chance that in the case of Sorloth his peak is behind him not in front of him. From a financial perspective, if Gyokeres does not flop we would have the option to get a fee for him in 2 or 3 years time should we be ready to part company, in the case of Sorloth it would be another case of us signing a player at the point when they are making the last major move of their career and will probably end with him leaving on a free.
You originally stated that we are sleeping on Sorloth and I am still curious as to why you think that. He is not that highly regarded and would certainly not be cheap so what is it that you think we are missing here?
Sørloth looks like a late bloomer who will score goals wherever he goes. His per 90 stats are off the charts the past couple seasons and his overall play is better than Gyökeres. Alteti want rid because he is better as a lone striker and he and Alvarez don’t jive as a pairing. Say he costs €40 and Gyökeres €60(which seems low) I imagine Sørloth’s wages would be significantly lower so it’d be about half the cost from a PSR perspective. I think he could be a high impact signing immediately which is exactly what we need. If either flop there’s not much recourse financially in truth.
Ok that makes sense, thanks for the insight. The 0 goals in 16 league appearances for Palace scares me but perhaps he has really figured things out late on in his career. If he were available for close to what Atleti paid then for sure he could end up being a good option for us.
Yeah no different from Gyökeres at Brighton. Cheers and apologies for the first reply. I am on edge haha.
No worries, I think we all are, proper sliding doors stuff tonight.
Indeed.
Dont get me wrong Id love it
Good night, my sweet prince.
Well, this is over.
It's been fun being linked for a few days, dream is over