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Beagle said:
I agree. And apart from few exceptions, most good players thrive in their 30s. I believe Bruno will be even better as he ages as he will become more consistent and lose the silliness from parts of his game.

But I agree with the general consensus that selling him would be more valuable to the team now. But him crossing 30 should not devalue him at all. United can fetch top dollars for him.
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Unfortunately there is no evidence of that. He was the worst player on the pitch in the final. You'd think a top player with so much experience wouldn't try to force the issue and keep giving the ball away to the opposition at every opportunity. It was the 50th time that Bruno gave the ball away cheaply which led to the Spurs goal too. I am afraid age hasn't added the finesse to his game that you'd expect. He is still the same player who we didn't recruit in the summer before he was bought because we thought he gave the ball away too much even though he has the ability to make some excellent passes. It is the same Bruno who no top team would recruit and was plying his trade in Portugal at 25.
 
Insanity said:
Unfortunately there is no evidence of that. He was the worst player on the pitch in the final. You'd think a top player with so much experience wouldn't try to force the issue and keep giving the ball away to the opposition at every opportunity. It was the 50th time that Bruno gave the ball away cheaply which led to the Spurs goal too. I am afraid age hasn't added the finesse to his game that you'd expect. He is still the same player who we didn't recruit in the summer before he was bought because we thought he gave the ball away too much even though he has the ability to make some excellent passes. It is the same Bruno who no top team would recruit and was plying his trade in Portugal at 25.
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This.
 
Mike Smalling said:
If he does end up going, it's a huge part of the identity goin with him. Of course, he has been here through some shit times, but he's been the one player you feel like has had the necessary quality and has been a constant presence over the last 5-6 years.

It would be pretty sad really. He's not a perfect player, but he has mostly dragged us up a level or two. This team without Bruno is even more of a pile of nothing.
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Identity of what? Bottling not one but two Europa League finals?

People incredibly overrate Bruno here and act like we didn't exist before him. It's embarrassing really. Much better players than him left before and guess what, we survived.

If anything, him going is a positive for us and a big chance or even a must to rebuild the team without a player that you have to accommodate. You can't really say you are rebuilding with a player that limits your moves tactically.

He's clearly not a midfielder; he's a second striker disguised as a midfielder. I don't care about his useless stats, he's clearly a hindrance to this team. You either play a game that suits Bruno and lose the midfield battle or you don't play him at all. You either build the team around him, win nothing and talk about some useless stats of his after the game or you rebuild a team without a hindrance like him. It's simple as this.

People didn't want to accept that fact and the fact that we will never win anything significant with him when it was perfectly obvious and they still don't. They didn't learn when he bottled against Villarreal 4 years ago and still don't want to learn. He is not what you make him out to be. He's not an indispensible player like most think he is. He's not good enough to be worthy of building a team around him. He is the talisman of a losing team; a team that is sinking deeper and deeper with him in it. That's what he is.
 
Sell him.

Feck this whole team and everyone in it, let earthquakes crumble it, let the fires rage, let it burn to fecking ash and then let the waters rise and submerge this whole rat infested place.

And then reforge.

(Line stolen from 25th Hour)
 
MDFC Manager said:
This.
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Insanity said:
Unfortunately there is no evidence of that. He was the worst player on the pitch in the final. You'd think a top player with so much experience wouldn't try to force the issue and keep giving the ball away to the opposition at every opportunity. It was the 50th time that Bruno gave the ball away cheaply which led to the Spurs goal too. I am afraid age hasn't added the finesse to his game that you'd expect. He is still the same player who we didn't recruit in the summer before he was bought because we thought he gave the ball away too much even though he has the ability to make some excellent passes. It is the same Bruno who no top team would recruit and was plying his trade in Portugal at 25.
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Indeed. If there is a possibility to shift him for anything near the 80 million as mentioned above, I would say that would be instrumental for the rebuild of the team. Not only the money, but also the fact that we will hopefully be able to replace him with someone who loses possession much less than he does will be a huge difference on the team. Not saying that Bruno is the main reason for our demise, but I think people underestimate the impact of being forced to switch back to defence so often, adding alot of pressure to the team as a whole.

I will always be thankfull for Bruno his presence and performance for the past years, but if there is a window to cash in for this 30 year old player we should absolutely take it before it shuts.
 
I’m doubtful we reinvest the money from any Bruno sale. Worries me that it’ll be used to cover costs of no European football.

I’m willing to give INEOS time in the summer to prove me wrong but so far they give me saving money money for the Glazers above all else.
 
Insanity said:
Unfortunately there is no evidence of that. He was the worst player on the pitch in the final. You'd think a top player with so much experience wouldn't try to force the issue and keep giving the ball away to the opposition at every opportunity. It was the 50th time that Bruno gave the ball away cheaply which led to the Spurs goal too. I am afraid age hasn't added the finesse to his game that you'd expect. He is still the same player who we didn't recruit in the summer before he was bought because we thought he gave the ball away too much even though he has the ability to make some excellent passes. It is the same Bruno who no top team would recruit and was plying his trade in Portugal at 25.
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He clearly wasn't the worst player on the pitch in the final, he didn't give the ball away 50 times, and it's nonsense to say that no top team would recruit him. Even by your standards that's a lot of bollocks to talk in one post.
 
If he leaves I'd be genuinely worried about relegation next season

Not sure why people are so eager to sell him.

First of all you won't get enough to even try to replace him.

Second even if we got that much we couldn't replace his output anyway as our recruitment is generally shit and he has some pretty unique qualities. There's like 5 or so players in Europe in that position who match his attacking/progressive output and nobody does what he does defensively so....

So basically you sell bruno there's a strong likelihood this team gets way worse. Isn't that a scary prospect.
 
I’m well up for selling anybody. Finishing 17th is beyond unacceptable. The whole squad should be replaced. If we can get huge fees for players then fine.

Bruno has long proven he doesn’t have the close control or technical ability to be a title winning player, despite the fact he’s capable of magic. In the long term he needs replacing. Ideally it wouldn’t be now as he’s probably our best player, but for me a total reset is needed and the fact we’ve accepted players like him and Rashford have been part of the problem.

Of course, the problem there lies deep in the club’s recruitment etc. so who’s actually confident that if we do sell him it will be part of a total reset where we change the standards of who we bring in? Not me. If we sell him it could mean replacing him with someone as crap as Hojlund, Onana etc. which would be incredibly worrying.
 
Pickle85 said:
He clearly wasn't the worst player on the pitch in the final, he didn't give the ball away 50 times, and it's nonsense to say that no top team would recruit him. Even by your standards that's a lot of bollocks to talk in one post.
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Don't take everything literally. When I say "50 times" I mean he gave the ball away constantly during the game.

Even by your usual naive standards that's very naive. Shame!

And he was the worse player on the pitch according to me. Playing central midfield you can't give the ball away that many times. It's criminal to not be able to make simple passes. His bad passing also led to the goal. He is supposed to be our best player, he is the captain, he is the talisman and he pulled an absolute stinker.
 
You could keep him easily, if he would be one of many midfielders, but not as captain, leader, face of the rebuild. Simple as.
 
Insanity said:
Unfortunately there is no evidence of that. He was the worst player on the pitch in the final. You'd think a top player with so much experience wouldn't try to force the issue and keep giving the ball away to the opposition at every opportunity. It was the 50th time that Bruno gave the ball away cheaply which led to the Spurs goal too. I am afraid age hasn't added the finesse to his game that you'd expect.
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He's not a CM. He doesn't know how to play as a CM, and so he doesn't. It's shocking to me that Amorim keeps insisting on it. He's basically doubling down on Ten Hag's "let's play without a midfield" strategy

How he thinks this could possibly work in the PL is beyond me
 
giorno said:
He's not a CM. He doesn't know how to play as a CM, and so he doesn't. It's shocking to me that Amorim keeps insisting on it. He's basically doubling down on Ten Hag's "let's play without a midfield" strategy

How he thinks this could possibly work in the PL is beyond me
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I think the reason is that he doesn't have a place in this stupid system (not formation, the system). The two number #10 basically have to be Silva types who are good on the ball, can shield the ball well and are comfortable out-wide to interchange with the WB's when needed. Bruno is a #10 in a counter-attacking team where he can make quick passes in space for the wide attacking players or the striker or get late into the box to score goals. He is bad at dribbling and protecting the ball. If you play with only three attacking players then they have to be able to shield/hold the ball and move it forward.
 
Using Bruno as a deep lying central midfielder in a final against a team clinging on for dear life, instead of deploying him further up to put pressure on the Tottenham defence was a huge gaffe from Amorim.
 
Insanity said:
Don't take everything literally. When I say "50 times" I mean he gave the ball away constantly during the game.

Even by your usual naive standards that's very naive. Shame!

And he was the worse player on the pitch according to me. Playing central midfield you can't give the ball away that many times. It's criminal to not be able to make simple passes. His bad passing also led to the goal. He is supposed to be our best player, he is the captain, he is the talisman and he pulled an absolute stinker.
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He gave the ball away 17 times compared to Casemiro on 11 but they were nearly all crosses and long range passes, both of which were a decent success rate it's just they're high risk of turnover. His pass percentage was higher than all Spurs midfielders. He created the most big chances of anyone else on the pitch.

Players can either make simple safe passes backwards and sidewards or they can try create. If you want them to create they will lose the ball occasionally. The bitching against Bruno is so mindlessly dumb.
 
Smores said:
He gave the ball away 17 times compared to Casemiro on 11 but they were nearly all crosses and long range passes, both of which were a decent success rate it's just they're high risk of turnover. His pass percentage was higher than all Spurs midfielders. He created the most big chances of anyone else on the pitch.

Players can either make simple safe passes backwards and sidewards or they can try create. If you want them to create they will lose the ball occasionally. The bitching against Bruno is so mindlessly dumb.
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Look I didn't see the stats, I watched the game. He gave the ball numerous times and they are were not all long passes. The pass for the goal wasn't a long pass that was intercepted. The pass in the dying minutes of the games was intercepted from 4 yards away from him. He was very careless with the ball and was the major culprits in us losing the ball constantly. When playing CM you have to be more protective of the ball and show more restraint. We can say that he is not a CM, but he is an experienced enough player who should be able to alter his game according to the needs of the team.

The loving of Bruno is mindlessly dumb too. He is our most overrated player this century. Held on a pedestal because our other recruitment has been so shambolic.
 
Smores said:
He gave the ball away 17 times compared to Casemiro on 11 but they were nearly all crosses and long range passes, both of which were a decent success rate it's just they're high risk of turnover. His pass percentage was higher than all Spurs midfielders. He created the most big chances of anyone else on the pitch.

Players can either make simple safe passes backwards and sidewards or they can try create. If you want them to create they will lose the ball occasionally. The bitching against Bruno is so mindlessly dumb.
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Doesn't suit the narrative they'd already written in their mind. Damn you coming in with inconvenient things like FACTS. Just wait for the goalposts to be moved now... 'Well yeah but he didn't X', then rinse and repeat.
 
Insanity said:
Look I didn't see the stats, I watched the game. He gave the ball numerous times and they are were not all long passes. The pass for the goal wasn't a long pass that was intercepted. The pass in the dying minutes of the games was intercepted from 4 yards away from him. He was very careless with the ball and was the major culprits in us losing the ball constantly. When playing CM you have to be more protective of the ball and show more restraint. We can say that he is not a CM, but he is an experienced enough player who should be able to alter his game according to the needs of the team.

The loving of Bruno is mindlessly dumb too. He is our most overrated player this century. Held on a pedestal because our other recruitment has been so shambolic.
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Well now you know the stats. Care to revise your original thoughts?
 
Smores said:
He gave the ball away 17 times compared to Casemiro on 11 but they were nearly all crosses and long range passes, both of which were a decent success rate it's just they're high risk of turnover. His pass percentage was higher than all Spurs midfielders. He created the most big chances of anyone else on the pitch.

Players can either make simple safe passes backwards and sidewards or they can try create. If you want them to create they will lose the ball occasionally. The bitching against Bruno is so mindlessly dumb.
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Not sure where you get your stats, but according to fbref Bruno had pass completion rate of 61,5%. Thats lower than both Bentacour and Bissouma.

Also according to fbref Bruno misplaced 6 short passes (between 5 and 15 yards) out of 17. Thats abysmal.

https://fbref.com/en/matches/7f729d8c/Tottenham-Hotspur-Manchester-United-May-21-2025-Europa-League
 
The man has 98 goals and 86 assists in 288 appearances and people want him out.

It's beyond my reasoning.
 
Insanity said:
He lost the ball 17 times. Happy?

Jesus fecking Christ!
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I wasn't talking about that - more about him being the worst player on the pitch. You can moan but if you're going to post nonsense about a player then you'll get called out on it! Some people had the posts trashing Bruno already written in their heads and couldn't WAIT to get on here to have a pop.
 
Pickle85 said:
Doesn't suit the narrative they'd already written in their mind. Damn you coming in with inconvenient things like FACTS. Just wait for the goalposts to be moved now... 'Well yeah but he didn't X', then rinse and repeat.
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It's absolutely what happens, they go into games thinking X is bad at Y then when a normal situation happens they hyperinflate it's importance. Bruno has been superb in that role, he was reasonably poor in the final for his standard this season but he wasn't even in our top 5 worse players.

No player is a robot they all make occasional bad touches, bad passes etc. We see the same over inflated commentary about several other players as well.
 
thegregster said:
£80m+ is pretty good for a player who turns 31 in Sep.
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MaMa given red said:
Yeah that's closer to what I expected.

We simply have to cash in now, it's now or never to get a decent fee for him.
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I agree, especially as it's pure profit for PSR. If we can add selling Rashford and Garnacho for another £80m combined, plus Antony and Sancho, we're looking at lot healthier.

That's not including Evans, Lindelof and Eriksen all leaving after their contracts run out.
 
Sell.

Great player but we need a new focal point. £80-120m is too good to turn away. That’s our lost CL money in one hit, albeit a big hit. I’d go all out for Wharton from Palace.
 
Pickle85 said:
I wasn't talking about that - more about him being the worst player on the pitch. You can moan but if you're going to post nonsense about a player then you'll get called out on it! Some people had the posts trashing Bruno already written in their heads and couldn't WAIT to get on here to have a pop.
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How did any of those "stats" prove he wasn't the worst player on the pitch?

Called out on it...Jesus Christ...again....
 
It'sYanitedLads said:
If he leaves I'd be genuinely worried about relegation next season

Not sure why people are so eager to sell him.

First of all you won't get enough to even try to replace him.

Second even if we got that much we couldn't replace his output anyway as our recruitment is generally shit and he has some pretty unique qualities. There's like 5 or so players in Europe in that position who match his attacking/progressive output and nobody does what he does defensively so....

So basically you sell bruno there's a strong likelihood this team gets way worse. Isn't that a scary prospect.
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Yeah I don't get it. You are going to need characters to rebuild this team from the ashes, why sell pretty much the only player who could hold his head up this season for the most part and say he's played well?

I think personally since he's stamped out a lot of the petulant behaviour around refs and become a slightly more cerebral and calmer player on the ball as well he's emerged as a fantastic leader. This team needs players who can lead from the front, too many weak personalities. Weed those out first before you think 'cashing in' on by far your best and most accomplished player is a good idea.
 
Pickle85 said:
Doesn't suit the narrative they'd already written in their mind. Damn you coming in with inconvenient things like FACTS. Just wait for the goalposts to be moved now... 'Well yeah but he didn't X', then rinse and repeat.
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Smores said:
It's absolutely what happens, they go into games thinking X is bad at Y then when a normal situation happens they hyperinflate it's importance. Bruno has been superb in that role, he was reasonably poor in the final for his standard this season but he wasn't even in our top 5 worse players.

No player is a robot they all make occasional bad touches, bad passes etc. We see the same over inflated commentary about several other players as well.
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I am glad you two found each other.
 
Pickle85 said:
He clearly wasn't the worst player on the pitch in the final, he didn't give the ball away 50 times, and it's nonsense to say that no top team would recruit him. Even by your standards that's a lot of bollocks to talk in one post.
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He did give it away cheaply twice before they scored. You could sense it leading to a goal as we’ve seen it so often before.

There’s no denying he gives the ball away a hell of a lot and on the other hand delivers a hell of a lot of goals and assists. It’s a quandary!
 
DannyCAFC said:
Yeah I don't get it. You are going to need characters to rebuild this team from the ashes, why sell pretty much the only player who could hold his head up this season for the most part and say he's played well?

I think personally since he's stamped out a lot of the petulant behaviour around refs and become a slightly more cerebral and calmer player on the ball as well he's emerged as a fantastic leader. This team needs players who can lead from the front, too many weak personalities. Weed those out first before you think 'cashing in' on by far your best and most accomplished player is a good idea.
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Nobody in this team can be considered safe. You can't finish 16th/17th and be safe. There is a price for all of them, including Bruno (although his price will be much higher than a lot of the jokers we employ).
 
Xaviboy said:
Agree. 80 for him and 60 for Garnacho on top of other sales will allow for the squad rebuild.
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Think we have to sell everyone we can but would keep Dorgu yoro heaven and amad maybe zz he brings something different for now see how they go. They are more the new profile moving forward. Everyone else should be for sale because we have several unsellable and at the same time not good enough to play players god knows how we move cas shaw, imagine being a young player seeing them in your team? It’s along way from one summer.
 
Smores said:
He gave the ball away 17 times compared to Casemiro on 11 but they were nearly all crosses and long range passes, both of which were a decent success rate it's just they're high risk of turnover. His pass percentage was higher than all Spurs midfielders. He created the most big chances of anyone else on the pitch.

Players can either make simple safe passes backwards and sidewards or they can try create. If you want them to create they will lose the ball occasionally. The bitching against Bruno is so mindlessly dumb.
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He lost it 27 times and wasn't trying to create anything in plenty of those. He lost it trying a back pass to Casemiro just before the goal. He also didn't have a higher pass percentage than all of the Spurs' midfielders.
 
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If Bruno doesn't want Saudi Arabia, we are stuck with each other then. No serious club will want him, serious being those that he would consider capable of winning titles. In England or outside.
 
Bosnian_fan said:
If Bruno doesn't want Saudi Arabia, we are stuck with each other then. No serious club will want him, serious being those that he would consider capable of winning titles. In England or outside.
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I think saying we're "stuck with him" is unnecessarily negative.

Rubbish in the final but clearly a good season overall.
 
Would be sad to see him go, but it does feel like now is the right time for me. Especially at the figures mentioned above.
 
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