If Bruno were to leave, who are the realistic replacements available? | Bruno stays

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Disagree.This has been a problem for a long time now. Psg, city, arsenal, Liverpool etc have filled their midfields with players that are very comfortable on the ball and thats where we should be too. Over the past 2 seasons Bruno has been moved to cm for some games to try and combat how bad our cms are at progressing play.
I think he's been moved to CM as he can't really play the dual 10 role personally, you need to more of a dribbler/converted winger. He has been much better as CM than AM.

Yes, I disagree, and I don't think there's a huge difference in actual technical ability between most of the players you reference, there's a bigger discrepancy in how they are being asked to play. Amorim's system is known to us, we can clearly see his plan of how he wants to play out and the CM pair is not the issue, it is the CBs. Ugarte/Morita for example is not an amazingly technical pair, the problem is currently we do not have a CB who comes out into the midfield which is what he did at Sporting. That creates the extra man, as it stands Ugarte and Bruno are almost always covered by 3 players and both have been poor in possession. Any team with a half decent press just waits, as Spurs did, as Soton did, for the ball to go into Bruno/Ugarte or go top a WB and then hounds them. That won't change by simply spending more money on a new CM, it will only change if a CB steps out or, although clearly this won't happen, we change formation.
 
Bruno has been playing 2 positions for us, 10 and CM, and I think we'd get someone in both positions. Ederson and Mbeumo were being linked even before the Bruno news. At the very least, it indicates the style the club is looking for.
 
Just like Liverpool are trying to do with Salah, i.e. buy Wirtz who plays in a different position but they hope will become just an influencial.

We would do similar, try to strengthen elsewhere in the team, your never getting a direct replacement, that never works.
 
We use the funds towards a better keeper, striker and midfielder. We don’t replace him directly, he’s being pushed back into midfield and we all know it’s not his best position, as he’s prone to losing the ball in dangerous areas.
 
Just watched Romanos' video, the fee is not necessarily 100m or 80m. "Al Hilal is ready to pay whatever the asking price is for Bruno Fernandes" erm.... sell him
 
Just like Liverpool are trying to do with Salah, i.e. buy Wirtz who plays in a different position but they hope will become just an influencial.

We would do similar, try to strengthen elsewhere in the team, your never getting a direct replacement, that never works.
Also like with Coutinho. They never replaced him like for like and instead went and got VVD and Allison.
 
Also like with Coutinho. They never replaced him like for like and instead went and got VVD and Allison.

Because they already had Mane, Salah, Firmino, Henderson, Milner, Wijnaldum, Matip, Gomez, Alexander-Arnold and Robertson.

We've got Hojlund, Zirkzee, Mount, Dalot, Maguire, Dorgu and Onana.
 
I hope you're not seriously suggesting we spend all the 100m we get for Bruno on a 20 year old from Como and a 17 year old from the Argentinian league. In what universe does this seem like a way to improve us?

Yeah and I can't believe we spent £12m for an 18 year old attacker with only 25 appearances and 3 goals in the Portuguese League in 2003. A fee that equates to about £72m in market values now according to the Transfer Index. What a crazy move that was.

Mastantuono is a serious talent. He's been River's best player this season at age 17. There's a reason why Madrid and PSG are very interested. The same Madrid paid like £60m for a teenage Vini Jr. No one queries that move now. The same PSG spent £42m on 19 year old Desire Doue last Summer which is already looking a snip.

Paz is wanted by Madrid and Inter. He's an elite talent. Serie A Young Player of the Season. Check his fbref stats - https://fbref.com/en/players/01bb93d5/Nicolas-Paz. Great attacking/creative output and surprisingly solid defensive stats.

In year one, would they replicate Fernandes' output? No way. In year three, I'd bet both will be absolute superstars.

I guess the same people that decry this suggestion are the same who want Wharton or Baleba for near £100m which is absolute lunacy. Wharton who cost £18m less than 18 months ago and Baleba who cost £23m 2 years ago. Good players, for sure, but not worth anywhere near £100m on their own.

There really isn't a lot out there in terms of available talents who'd improve us to the level Bruno does. To some extent, it's about buying smart, buying to the system and not being too short term minded. I'd be very happy with Mbuemo for £50m and Ederson for £50m but will these players be better than Mastantuono and Paz in 3 years? I highly doubt it. It really isn't a stupid shout at all.
 
I'd like the fee split between Ederson and maybe a keeper who doesn't have noodle hands.
 
Use the money to sign a top level central midfielder. High volume passer, relatively creative/progressive on the ball, decent under pressure. That type of guy.
 
It's Coutinho all over again (obviously Bruno is a better player but it's a similar approach).

You replace him by improving the collective team. Could try and move for Cherki and Baleba, capturing an elite creator and a top midfield prospect who already has prem experience.
If we have money we absolutely should be going for Baleba. Brighton are not in Europe so convincing him shouldn't be an issue. The price Brighton will ask will be astronomical but he could genuinely be a transformational signing.
 
If we have money we absolutely should be going for Baleba. Brighton are not in Europe so convincing him shouldn't be an issue. The price Brighton will ask will be astronomical but he could genuinely be a transformational signing.

Good shout. He is really impressive.

In parallel, we need to be scouting the next Baleba / Caicedo.
 
I guess some fans have the wrong impression about saudi clubs spending habits. They actually don't pay too much for players, they convince him to join using high wages. Only one player had been signed for more than 60m euro, Neymar. Five of them for a fee between 50-60m, actually most of them (51) were between 0-10m euro. (The article is is from January of 2015).
 
Not about replacing him, it will be about having the money to build what Amorim wants.

Ugarte/Ederson in the engine room
Cunha/Mbuemo in the 10s
Money to buy Gyokeres, Sesko etc.

i.e. no more excuses.

This. We need to sort out that midfield box - the two 10s and two 6's.
For me, we need a player like Ederson far more than we need Mbuemo. We have other options at 10, all be it not ideal.
Mbuemo does his best work out wide. Im not sure how good he would be infield.
 
Because they already had Mane, Salah, Firmino, Henderson, Milner, Wijnaldum, Matip, Gomez, Alexander-Arnold and Robertson.

We've got Hojlund, Zirkzee, Mount, Dalot, Maguire, Dorgu and Onana.
So then you buy the players that will compliment the ones that are staying. Instead of like for like and it doesn’t improve the team performance overall.
 
This. We need to sort out that midfield box - the two 10s and two 6's.
For me, we need a player like Ederson far more than we need Mbuemo. We have other options at 10, all be it not ideal.
Mbuemo does his best work out wide. Im not sure how good he would be infield.
Maybe someone like Cherki as a cheaper alternative + there's Amad, Mount, Zirkzeee, maybe even Sancho or Antony!
 
Also like with Coutinho. They never replaced him like for like and instead went and got VVD and Allison.

They already had a good team (and were especially strong in attack) and then spent World Record fess on the best keeper and centre half available to plug their biggest holes.

Nothing like this at all.

Far more like Bale when he went from Spurs, and far more likely we blow the money on largely crap players like they did.
 
So then you buy the players that will compliment the ones that are staying. Instead of like for like and it doesn’t improve the team performance overall.

Yes, we buy better players to improve the rest of the squad before weakening the squad by selling it's best player and captain.
 
You don't replace him with one player - We adopt a different model and allow others to step up and get a few players in, a DM & a striker of top quality (Along with Cunha) would replace him
He is a good player but not really " not replaceable with one player". That statement totally overrates him.
 
Yes, we buy better players to improve the rest of the squad before weakening the squad by selling it's best player and captain.
If that’s what it takes then yeh. Simple.
 
We have adequate cover at 10 with Mount, Cunha, Diallo and possibly Mainoo. We need to focus on getting a center forward, a back up center forward and a few good midfielders with athleticism to cover for the loss of Eriksen and Bruno. We might also need a center back considering we lost both Evans and Lindelöf without a replacement, unless we are counting on Shaw and Mazraoui playing there.
 
There is no 1 is to 1 replacement for him, but it'll hopefully mean we utilize Mainoo a lot more.
 
I guess some fans have the wrong impression about saudi clubs spending habits. They actually don't pay too much for players, they convince him to join using high wages. Only one player had been signed for more than 60m euro, Neymar. Five of them for a fee between 50-60m, actually most of them (51) were between 0-10m euro. (The article is is from January of 2015).
How reliable are these Saudi clubs when it actually comes to paying up?
 
Maybe someone like Cherki as a cheaper alternative + there's Amad, Mount, Zirkzeee, maybe even Sancho or Antony!

Plus Mainoo. As you say, i think we have better and more options at number 10 than at number 6. Add

With Casemiro and Ugarte, you don't have a player that wants to take the ball facing his own goal. Part reason we get stuck passing the ball back and forth across the back line.
 
I don't think it's possible to find a like for like replacement for Bruno, only thing we can do if he leaves is to find some good players that fits in to our team and change the way we play so the team as a whole can replace what he did for us. I remember when Zlatan left Inter for Barcelona back in the day, he was their best player and one of the best players in the world at the time and people said he was irreplacable, Inter ended up winning the CL the next season. Football is still a team sport and although there might not be another player like Bruno out there it's still possible to replace his output by building a stronger team.


Didn’t Inter get a like for like swap in terms of a world class striker Eto?
 
I'll continue to follow the club whether the signings are good, or, as has been the case for the last 15 years, mostly rubbish. I don't have any faith at all that United will be stronger with Bruno gone and £80m worth of whatever players our recruitment team deems good enough, replacing him. This is not an unreasonable expectation, given the appalling track record of successive recruitment teams at United and the, at best, mixed record of this current recruitment team last summer.

I've read the Coutinho analogy countless times now and it is maddeningly misleading. At the point Liverpool sold him, you could already sense Coutinho was surplus to requirement in the team Klopp had assembled, not least because Coutinho was an ego moments player and the opposite of a playmaker. The improvement of the team as a whole predated the sale of Coutinho.
The point is more so that you sell a player for a ludicrous offer and it’s very much possible to improve the team after he leaves.
 
All the top teams far into the CL have a brilliant midfield. About time we buy 3 top players
 
We'd have to replace him in the aggregate. There's nobody out there as creative that we could afford or would want to come.

100%. There obviously is no direct replacement and the money we would make from the transfer would likely be apportioned to 2 or 3 different players.
 
There is no 1 is to 1 replacement for him, but it'll hopefully mean we utilize Mainoo a lot more.

He has a long long way to go yet to be considered good enough. He certainly hasn't looked it this season.

Anyway as others mentioned. We should use the money to get 2 or so CM in if possible to reinforce that department. Then hope that Cunha can do the creative stuff and get MBeumo and a proper striker in addition with the money hopefully generated from our further outgoings
 
Not really
Zero chance that this team after selling Bruno gets cl footy
The gap he’s leave would be too big to fill, if we had CL footy to offer the big boy signings I’d say go for it. But there is a high risk the top players won’t come, so we either sign more average players or more likely, INEOS keep the money
 
There should be no CAM replacement. Instead go and get two central midfielders. Its time to move to a midfield 3 and stop getting dominated in midfield.
 
Also like with Coutinho. They never replaced him like for like and instead went and got VVD and Allison.
Exactly, they bought some quality players in. No reason (if our scouting etc has improved) that we couldnt do the same.
 
We’ll probably replace him with two 20 year olds. The forum rejoices because we’re “set for the next decade”. One of them will turn out to be shit like Hojlund, one will improve slowly over the next few years and be sold as soon as he’s actually any good.

We will remain shit, but we’ll have a lower average age than anyone else in the league, the real trophy.

Meanwhile the likes of Barca, Bayern, and Liverpool hold on to Lewandowski, Kane, Salah, and VVD because they’re not run by morons.
But we didn't hold on to Lewandowski.
 
We’ll probably replace him with two 20 year olds. The forum rejoices because we’re “set for the next decade”. One of them will turn out to be shit like Hojlund, one will improve slowly over the next few years and be sold as soon as he’s actually any good.

We will remain shit, but we’ll have a lower average age than anyone else in the league, the real trophy.

Meanwhile the likes of Barca, Bayern, and Liverpool hold on to Lewandowski, Kane, Salah, and VVD because they’re not run by morons.
The reasons for the longevity for those players mentioned is their own motivation and desires. They are taking care of themselves and their bodies. Lewandowski is one of the fittest players at Barcelona.
 
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