It’ll be like us replacing sir Alex.
If Bruno were to leave, who are the realistic replacements available? | Bruno stays
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We could go crazy and play two strikers in front of Cunha and try to get Gyorkeres and Osimhen.
That would be unrealistic but if it happened would boil every Abu's piss.
I think we need to give serious consideration to Wharton. A midfield of him and mainoo, I appreciate it’s young but plenty of years to grow together. I’d honestly take Wharton and Eze. I don’t want to lose Fernandes but there is no way ratcliffe is rejecting a bid of £100 mill for him
Not about replacing him, it will be about having the money to build what Amorim wants.
Ugarte/Ederson in the engine room
Cunha/Mbuemo in the 10s
Money to buy Gyokeres, Sesko etc.
i.e. no more excuses.
Ugarte/Ederson in the engine room
Cunha/Mbuemo in the 10s
Money to buy Gyokeres, Sesko etc.
i.e. no more excuses.
and who would create chances for them? We didn't create enough with Bruno, if we sell him, we are going to be embarrassingly starved of creative players. We do not have enough production in our squad.
We need to rebuild (yeah, again) the team and need to upgrade nearly every position. The money generated from Bruno's sale will hopefully go towards some of that rebuild (*Fingers crossed wisely this time). We need to refresh our attack as Amad an Garna are the only two good players we have in attack, we need to rebuild our midfield and we need to get a new GK. With a 100m budget + money from the sale of Bruno and some others we can look to properly fulfill a lot of those requirements.
You can hardly replicate the output from one player by replacing him with another player. The whole team will need to step-up to fill the gap. Also, it is high time we start to play as a team instead of depending upon one or two individuals to bail us out.
If continue with the system and the formation that Amo wants to play then we need a player who is comfortable on/off the ball and is press resistant for either of the #10 position or the central midfield position.
You can hardly replicate the output from one player by replacing him with another player. The whole team will need to step-up to fill the gap. Also, it is high time we start to play as a team instead of depending upon one or two individuals to bail us out.
If continue with the system and the formation that Amo wants to play then we need a player who is comfortable on/off the ball and is press resistant for either of the #10 position or the central midfield position.
Carlos Baleba and Adam Wharton midfield two thanks
Or Ederson and Wharton
Or Ederson and Wharton
Ederson and someone else not Ugarte
Cunha would. You'd have to buy in one top CM and another for less.
At least we'd score goals.
Then again...we'd still have Onana in net
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I don’t think he’s replaced like for like.
I saw Scholes make an interesting point actually, that if we’re going to commit to this system, it’s a bit odd to see a player who the whole team relies on switching constantly from a number 10 to a 6/8 role in almost every match. Obviously you can interpret that as the whole team being mostly shite and Bruno has to be everywhere, but maybe in an other way, it indicates we are so over reliant on someone to the detriment of the team as a whole.
I saw Scholes make an interesting point actually, that if we’re going to commit to this system, it’s a bit odd to see a player who the whole team relies on switching constantly from a number 10 to a 6/8 role in almost every match. Obviously you can interpret that as the whole team being mostly shite and Bruno has to be everywhere, but maybe in an other way, it indicates we are so over reliant on someone to the detriment of the team as a whole.
Stack central midfield with quality, power and passing ability. Morgan Rogers, Bruno Guimares, Mikel Damsgaard. Bruno probably won't leave Newcastle, but the two others should be doable.
Doesn't really matter what we think, Ineos love Ugarte and I think Amorim likes him too. Also bear in mind he had zero pre season and then just went into 2 games a week, pre season is where you do the bulk of your intensive fitness work, I think he'll look very different next season.
I don’t think Ugarte should be starter, we should be looking to upgrade
Gyokeres reportedly wants UCL football if he leaves - The Athletic also reported back in February that he wasn't on our summer shortlist because we don't want to commit that kind of money to a 27 year old.
Ederson is really good but wouldn't really do much to offset the loss of Bruno's creativity. I like Wharton, but in this scenario he'd essentially be a direct replacement for Bruno (he'd cost nearly all the fee we've reportedly been offered by the Saudis for Bruno). Would people be happy with that - essentially, Bruno out and Wharton (plus £10m or so) in?
He has a funny way of showing it.
Oihan Sanchet. He is very attacking minded, scored loads of goals this season. Although he is less creative than Bruno but if we cannot sign a proper CF we're gonna need his goals.
Beyond staying with Sporting, what are the options for Gyokeres should Arsenal go with Sesko?
Re his age, that may have been the plan earlier in year, but maybe plans change if 100mil comes in for Bruno. Plus, we are about to sign 26 year old Cunha. There is just under a year in difference between the two.
I think Amorim will want to sort out that midfield box - two 6's and two 10s.
He has one ten in Cunha. Maybe a second with Amad or Mount.
It is the two 6's that i think are the issue. I dont think we can rely on Case in the PL and it is clear the manager has reservations over Ugarte.
Add Ederson into one of those slots, and we improve massively.
Agree on Wharton. Would perhaps be too expensive now Palace are in the EL.
If he leaves, the Cunha already covers some of it but surely that means signing a very good ball playing CM too?
I don’t know who would be crazy enough to move here but that’s the profile surely.
I don’t know who would be crazy enough to move here but that’s the profile surely.
Been waiting for that for 15 years. Given up
Gibbs White
Nicolas Paz
Cherki
Wharton
Julian Alvarez
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Nicolas Paz
Cherki
Wharton
Julian Alvarez
Simons
His work on the ball needs to come through leaps and bounds for him to be a 1st team regular. Improving his intensive fitness wont be enough. Its what kept him in the bench for the final.
How do Cunha and Osimhen replace Bruno? 2 players replacing one and in different positions.
We're looking for a talismanic midfielder replacement who creates and scores.
A later day Brian Robson, or indeed, Bruno. Maybe there's a Cantona Mk2 lurking somewhere.
Disagree, I think this system puts huge strain on the midfield pair. If we don't add passing ability into the CBs and rely on trying to play out through 2 CMs who are always against 3, even 4 sometimes now, we will struggle next year as well. He's good enough on the ball in general, he just isn't someone who will break a press. Sure in an ideal world you go and spend huge money on Valverde who can do it all, but we finished 15th, are not cash rich and have no European football...this is where we need the coach to earn his stripes.
If we get Cunha and Mbeumo, and Ederson or Gomes plus a striker, i.e. Mateta, I'd be quite chuffed with that even if Garnacho and Bruno leaves.
Easy. Get Van de Beek back off Girona.
Bruno is a pure profit sale more or less, less than 10m book value. His wages are also big. We can sign Wharton and another with his sale.
We'd have to replace him in the aggregate. There's nobody out there as creative that we could afford or would want to come.
I've read the Coutinho analogy countless times now and it is maddeningly misleading. At the point Liverpool sold him, you could already sense Coutinho was surplus to requirement in the team Klopp had assembled, not least because Coutinho was an ego moments player and the opposite of a playmaker. The improvement of the team as a whole predated the sale of Coutinho.
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It's the 100m question isn't it. People keep saying how this is a great opportunity to invest but then I'd want some names of players that we could actually buy to maintain or improve the quality we lose with Bruno.
Who steps up? Which DM? Which striker? We are playing a season later this summer, you know.
Seems like we were planning to play Bruno as CM anyway. In which case go and get a younger player or two who actually play there regularly. I like Baleba and Angelo Stiller. Very different profiles but we need reinforcements there.
In attacking midfield we’re already spending big on Cunha so he needs to contribute the goals and assists. For the other 10 we have Amad, Mount, Mainoo and Zirkzee already. I would like Mbeumo too but would the funds possibly be better spent on a proven goalscorer to lead the line.
In attacking midfield we’re already spending big on Cunha so he needs to contribute the goals and assists. For the other 10 we have Amad, Mount, Mainoo and Zirkzee already. I would like Mbeumo too but would the funds possibly be better spent on a proven goalscorer to lead the line.
Disagree.This has been a problem for a long time now. Psg, city, arsenal, Liverpool etc have filled their midfields with players that are very comfortable on the ball and thats where we should be too. Over the past 2 seasons Bruno has been moved to cm for some games to try and combat how bad our cms are at progressing play.
Paz and Mastantuono can pretty much be signed for what we’d get for Bruno. Paz is allegedly going back to Madrid but through an €8m buy back clause. It wouldn’t be the first time they’d resign a player cheaply and immediately flip them for a huge profit.
Paz is a really interesting profile. A converted AM with 6 goals and 9 assists for Como last season. His defensive stats are really impressive. Profiles similarly to Fernandes this season just gone. Solid build, over 6ft. Mastantuono is also Argentinian and one of the best prospects in the world.
Madrid and PSG are way more likely destinations for these guys but we could get in quickly with an offer of first team football straight away.
Paz is a really interesting profile. A converted AM with 6 goals and 9 assists for Como last season. His defensive stats are really impressive. Profiles similarly to Fernandes this season just gone. Solid build, over 6ft. Mastantuono is also Argentinian and one of the best prospects in the world.
Madrid and PSG are way more likely destinations for these guys but we could get in quickly with an offer of first team football straight away.
I hope you're not seriously suggesting we spend all the 100m we get for Bruno on a 20 year old from Como and a 17 year old from the Argentinian league. In what universe does this seem like a way to improve us?
Crazy talk yeah
My question would be, how much on the back foot has this put us in terms of scouting and recruitment reports for players we could possibly bring in if Bruno were to leave, and to leave for big money?
It looks like Mbuemo was a potential transfer regardless, which would be a good start, but more holistically, are we prepared to properly take advantage of the money selling Bruno would bring, whilst also losing our best player? That's where I have my doubts.
It looks like Mbuemo was a potential transfer regardless, which would be a good start, but more holistically, are we prepared to properly take advantage of the money selling Bruno would bring, whilst also losing our best player? That's where I have my doubts.
We will struggle to without CL footy which Bruno will help us get back
But he won’t if we sell him
I don't think it's possible to find a like for like replacement for Bruno, only thing we can do if he leaves is to find some good players that fits in to our team and change the way we play so the team as a whole can replace what he did for us. I remember when Zlatan left Inter for Barcelona back in the day, he was their best player and one of the best players in the world at the time and people said he was irreplacable, Inter ended up winning the CL the next season. Football is still a team sport and although there might not be another player like Bruno out there it's still possible to replace his output by building a stronger team.
It’ll take a similar amount for Palace to consider selling Wharton.
There doesn't need to be a like for like replacement. If we are targetting a striker, and as well targetting Mbeumo, then Cunha, Mbeumo and the new forward will be our front 3 next season. If we can invest some of this money in a class midfielder too, then thats essentially all that's needed to "replace" Bruno
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