Kobbie Mainoo (out)

Please no. Garnacho is fine but don’t take my Mainoo away. Don’t want another decade of “all action” midfielders with no technical brilliance.

We are fools if we sell him.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Please no. Garnacho is fine but don’t take my Mainoo away. Don’t want another decade of “all action” midfielders with no technical brilliance.

We are fools if we sell him.
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Mainoo is just hard to fit into this system. He’s simply not a good enough passer of the ball. If we played 433 he’d be phenomenal next to a player who can dictate play and a midfielder behind him who can pass between the lines.

Genuinely where do we even play him in this system?
 
Bastian said:
It's a tricky situation. He's not developed any further from last season. He's got a delicate contract situation. He's got qualities that are very rare for young midfielders and home grown at that. If he's sold, and I really would hope he isn't, then I'd price him pretty high. At least 70m with a ton of clauses.
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I don’t think it’s tricky. He is a top talent and one of our own. He’s also excellent with the ball at feel. I’m not we should give him everything he wants but even Chelsea won’t be doing that. He’s a fine talent and one to stick with.
 
it would be a bad idea to sell him even if we only considered the squad registration requirements.
Then in terms of squad planning, what would be the point to sell Mainoo and buy another midfielder that would probably cost the money we sold him for
 
I really hope the people who are dead against selling Mainoo aren't the same fans who wanted to keep Amorim, because the two positions are completely at odds.

He has no place in Amorim's system. He's not got the attributes for a 2 man midfield and he's not enough of an attacking threat to play as a 10.

The best Mainoo fans can hope for is he delivers some sub-optimal performances in midfield as a rotation option until December, Amorim gets sacked and we bring in a manager who plays a 3 man midfield.

If the club are serious about rebuilding this squad to suit Amorim long term then they should cash in.


(FYI, I'm of the opinion we should never have appointed Amorim in the first place partly due to issues like this one).
 
IncyWincySpider said:
If we sell Mainoo this club can just piss off.
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I feel exactly the same, what is this club coming too, we keep Bruno unless he wants to go and Kobbie.

Garnacho, Sancho, Antony, Rashford can all leave that’s £100m plus Alvaro sell on clause and others like Onana, Bayinder and Malacia will give us £120-130m plus the £100m budget that’s enough for a rebuild if we have to sell a midfielder than Ugarte or Mount can go before Kobbie!
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I don’t think it’s tricky. He is a top talent and one of our own. He’s also excellent with the ball at feel. I’m not we should give him everything he wants but even Chelsea won’t be doing that. He’s a fine talent and one to stick with.
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Yeah, I'd ask for more money if it's Chelsea. But if he's asking for 200K and not willing to accept a more realistic wage with bonuses, we can't really be catering to him. A year ago I would have said "not even for 120m.." or some such, but I don't think he's developed since then. I don't think he's got some great range of passing, he's physically inferior to most midfielders, his stamina isn't good enough and he has picked up numerous little niggles and injuries. So if he's sold, I'd be amazed if we'd get anything close to 100m. But with bonuses, that figure theoretically could be eclipsed.

Don't see him moving to Chelsea though, they've got too many midfielders as is.
 
No need to sell him or Bruno imo. We can get funds from Garnacho, Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Hojlund, Onana, and Malacia.
 
Dominos said:
I really hope the people who are dead against selling Mainoo aren't the same fans who wanted to keep Amorim, because the two positions are completely at odds.

He has no place in Amorim's system. He's not got the attributes for a 2 man midfield and he's not enough of an attacking threat to play as a 10.

The best Mainoo fans can hope for is he delivers some sub-optimal performances in midfield as a rotation option until December, Amorim gets sacked and we bring in a manager who plays a 3 man midfield.

If the club are serious about rebuilding this squad to suit Amorim long term then they should cash in.


(FYI, I'm of the opinion we should never have appointed Amorim in the first place partly due to issues like this one).
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Raoul said:
No need to sell him or Bruno imo. We can get funds from Garnacho, Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Hojlund, Onana, and Malacia.
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Onana ..
Who is spending more than 1M for him..
 
The_Midfielder said:
Onana ..
Who is spending more than 1M for him..
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Plenty of clubs will be interested. We just shouldn't expect anything remotely close to what we paid for him. Still it will be best to get him off the books for next year and go with a completely new keeper.
 
Dominos said:
I really hope the people who are dead against selling Mainoo aren't the same fans who wanted to keep Amorim, because the two positions are completely at odds.

He has no place in Amorim's system. He's not got the attributes for a 2 man midfield and he's not enough of an attacking threat to play as a 10.

The best Mainoo fans can hope for is he delivers some sub-optimal performances in midfield as a rotation option until December, Amorim gets sacked and we bring in a manager who plays a 3 man midfield.

If the club are serious about rebuilding this squad to suit Amorim long term then they should cash in.


(FYI, I'm of the opinion we should never have appointed Amorim in the first place partly due to issues like this one).
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Pretty much. I don't know if Mainoo is quite as good as our fans think he is, but he's definitely playing within himself under Amorim and there's not a real position for him in this system. If you want to keep this manager, you're pretty much writing off any chance of Mainoo being a starter for us next season.
 
One of them needs to go and for big money this summer!

Bruno, Garnacho, Mainoo have potential to generate a big fee.

Sancho, Rashford, Antony, Onana should be able to shift but the fees won’t be huge.

We all know who Amorim wants to get rid of, but you need another club to bid first.
 
RuudTom83 said:
One of them needs to go and for big money this summer!

Bruno, Garnacho, Mainoo have potential to generate a big fee.

Sancho, Rashford, Antony, Onana should be able to shift but the fees won’t be huge.

We all know who Amorim wants to get rid of, but you need another club to bid first.
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Garnacho 40, Rashford 30, Antony 30, Sancho 20, Hojlund 20, Onana 10, Malacia 5 would get us ~150m, which would be plenty to buy Gyokeres, Mbeumo, Ederson, and Joan Garcia. Don't forget most of Gyokeres's fee would be covered by money not spent on Delap, which means only about 25m of his fee would require sales to cover.


Also don't forget the ~£20m saved by getting Eriksen, Evans, Lindelof's wages off the books

If we sell Rashford, Sancho, and Antony - we will also be saving money on the outstanding 25% of wages we covered on Rashford's Villa loan, the outstanding 50% of Sancho's wages we covered during his Chelsea loan, and the 16% of Antony's wages we had to cover on his loan at Betis. Collectively, that amounts to roughy ~£13m more in savings.
 
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Raoul said:
Garnacho 40, Rashford 30, Antony 30, Sancho 20, Hojlund 20, Onana 10, Malacia 5 would get us 150m
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Potentially!

But there is another world where Rashford and Antony can’t be shifted and go on loan again, Onana stays and suddenly the pile of cash isn’t so big.

Also a lot of these deals will drag on and on and on. I feel United need to big sale and it needs to happen early to kick everything into motion.

I can’t see Chelsea getting Mainoo myself, but their chances would be higher if they come in with a big offer now/early.

*I don’t believe Mainoo will leave United, so it’s a moot point.
 
RuudTom83 said:
Potentially!

But there is another world where Rashford and Antony can’t be shifted and go on loan again, Onana stays and suddenly the pile of cash isn’t so big.

Also a lot of these deals will drag on and on and on. I feel United need to big sale and it needs to happen early to kick everything into motion.

I can’t see Chelsea getting Mainoo myself, but their chances would be higher if they come in with a big offer now/early.

*I don’t believe Mainoo will leave United, so it’s a moot point.
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Possible but unlikely. We will just get smaller fees for them instead of keep them on the books again.
 
Dominos said:
I really hope the people who are dead against selling Mainoo aren't the same fans who wanted to keep Amorim, because the two positions are completely at odds.

He has no place in Amorim's system. He's not got the attributes for a 2 man midfield and he's not enough of an attacking threat to play as a 10.

The best Mainoo fans can hope for is he delivers some sub-optimal performances in midfield as a rotation option until December, Amorim gets sacked and we bring in a manager who plays a 3 man midfield.

If the club are serious about rebuilding this squad to suit Amorim long term then they should cash in.


(FYI, I'm of the opinion we should never have appointed Amorim in the first place partly due to issues like this one).
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He's a 10 in this system, and I think he could be a good one. He's a threat around the opposition box, has good short passing, is great technically and is a good finisher. The only thing he really lacks is an engine, but I don't see why he couldn't be a great right side 10 when partnered with the correct right wing back.
 
Raoul said:
Garnacho 40, Rashford 30, Antony 30, Sancho 20, Hojlund 20, Onana 10, Malacia 5 would get us ~150m, which would be plenty to buy Gyokeres, Mbeumo, Ederson, and Joan Garcia. Don't forget most of Gyokeres's fee would be covered by money not spent on Delap, which means only about 25m of his fee would require sales to cover.


Also don't forget the ~£20m saved by getting Eriksen, Evans, Lindelof's wages off the books

If we sell Rashford, Sancho, and Antony - we will also be saving money on the outstanding 25% of wages we covered on Rashford's Villa loan, the outstanding 50% of Sancho's wages we covered during his Chelsea loan, and the 16% of Antony's wages we had to cover on his loan at Betis. Collectively, that amounts to roughy ~£13m more in savings.
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Selling players below their book value and paying an impairment charge actually hurts us meaning that we'd actually have less money to spend. Sad but true.
 
2 man midfield said:
Nah. He's pretty much the one player I'd consider not for sale.
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God could open up the clouds to give you a lifeline and you'd shoo him away. Take all the fecking money and rebuild.
 
2 man midfield said:
He's a 10 in this system, and I think he could be a good one. He's a threat around the opposition box, has good short passing, is great technically and is a good finisher. The only thing he really lacks is an engine, but I don't see why he couldn't be a great right side 10 when partnered with the correct right wing back.
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He doesn't score many. He doesn't have the pace to thereaten in behind. Isn't a 1v1 threat when running at a full back. He hasn't shown any creative passing/crossing ala Bruno.

What exactly is he adding to our attacking play that makes it worth playing him there over an actual attacker? He's competing with Cunha for that left 10 spot, he has no chance.

People are getting fooled that because we've rebranded our two wingers as 10s it's suddenly acceptable to play a neat and tidy midfielder in attack when they pose no threat to the opposition. And we'll be scratching our head why we don't score enough goals.

Bruno is the only midfielder we have that can reasonably play as a 10 in this system because he atually scores and creates goals, and I think actually has underrated off the ball running in behind the opposition defence. Mount offers no attacking threat 90% of the time, same with Mainoo.
 
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Absolutely not for sale. I keep saying it but what on earth happened to nurturing our young talents. He is a quality young player and from the academy, there is no better feeling than seeing one of our prospects blossom and we should be doing everything we can to make that happen, he is still so young. I seriously hate how fans have started to turn so swiftly against our best young talents. Those same fans will be the first ones complaining about the poor decision making at the club when he is star at Chelsea or wherever in 3 or 4 years time at 24 or so with another 10 years to go.
 
hellhunter said:
You don't rebuild by selling away your future
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You do if you have made so many mistakes that you don’t have any sellable assets to rebuild with. It looks like losing Bruno, Garnacho and Mainoo will be the result of years of bad decisions.

It’s the only way now, and yeah, it could just be the next in a series of bad decisions, but it’s the only way now.
 
Maluco said:
You do if you have made so many mistakes that you don’t have any sellable assets to rebuild with. It looks like losing Bruno, Garnacho and Mainoo will be the result of years of bad decisions.

It’s the only way now, and yeah, it could just be the next in a series of bad decisions, but it’s the only way now.
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It absolutely isn't the only way now
 
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