Of course for city they compare to our signing, if he was coming here they would find something he’s bad at.
Saying that I think he would do well in the EPL
Rayan Cherki | City in pole position to sign him
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Of course for city they compare to our signing, if he was coming here they would find something he’s bad at.
Saying that I think he would do well in the EPL
"The player is open to a move to Pep."
I think there are more examples of players he doesn't though. Doku can still dribble now and then but its very clear he isn't the explosive winger he is. Grealish also the finest example, did well that season and all so it's not that they are automatically bad, but I would say limited from playing to their true style. I just do not see the work rate with chekri that's associated with guardiola teams. Can see him sitting on the bench like Grealish within a year
Typical City. They sign technical players good at everything and United will sign someone who'll fail at the one thing we sign 'em for.
Great buy for them
Why are you writing off our signing (who is PL proven) whilst simultaneously propping up City's potential signing when we have seen neither of them play for their prospective new clubs?Typical City. They sign technical players good at everything and United will sign someone who'll fail at the one thing we sign 'em for.
I swear our fans hate our own players. Even before they've kicked a ball for us!
It's not now and then, it's basically only Yamal who dribbles more than him in Europe. His problem is that his final ball isn't very good, but he still looks pretty explosive when he plays. Grealish was probably just not as good as he was perceived before his move. It could also be the case with Cherki, but I think he's more likely to succeed in taking De Bruyne's role for them.
I think City is exactly the right Premier League club for Cherki to move to. I'm really, really not convinced that we would be.
I don't deny that he is a supremely talented player, and at City I think he'll have the right environment to make the best of use of that talent whilst also masking his weaknesses. The key reason for that is that City are, by some distance, the best team in the league when it comes to keeping the ball.
I think, because City are very aggressive in the press, there's a bit of a misconception that their forwards need to have a really good work rate. In fact, because they're also exceptional at keeping the ball, I think it's far easier to accommodate a player who doesn't do much in the defensive phase for the precise reason that they're so rarely in this phase.
Whilst United have gotten better at retaining possession under Amorim, I'm not convinced we're even close to being good enough to accommodate a player who is as much of a non-entity in the defensive phase as Cherki. I certainly don't think we should be signing a load of workhorses up front whose main strength is their defensive work rate, but I do think it's still somewhat important at the moment.
I don't deny that he is a supremely talented player, and at City I think he'll have the right environment to make the best of use of that talent whilst also masking his weaknesses. The key reason for that is that City are, by some distance, the best team in the league when it comes to keeping the ball.
I think, because City are very aggressive in the press, there's a bit of a misconception that their forwards need to have a really good work rate. In fact, because they're also exceptional at keeping the ball, I think it's far easier to accommodate a player who doesn't do much in the defensive phase for the precise reason that they're so rarely in this phase.
Whilst United have gotten better at retaining possession under Amorim, I'm not convinced we're even close to being good enough to accommodate a player who is as much of a non-entity in the defensive phase as Cherki. I certainly don't think we should be signing a load of workhorses up front whose main strength is their defensive work rate, but I do think it's still somewhat important at the moment.
I've yet to see a "PL proven" player actually succeed with us. All the best players to ever play came from other leagues. I just know Cherki is going to be a baller for them. I really wanted him. He's not going to light it up but he'll be pretty consistent in being impactful. If united are to change, we need to be going for these 20-30m players and stopped buying overpriced starsTypical City. They sign technical players good at everything and United will sign someone who'll fail at the one thing we sign 'em for.
City operating in the market like they don’t have 130 charges hanging over them. Players also going there with no concerns.
Are you surprised though? The owners and the people running the club have no shame at all, they've been acting innocent all along.
If something were going to come of it surely it would’ve already. Clearly another farce.
That stats wheel is massively impressive for Cunha, considering the respective leagues they compete in.
I'd also say that the evidence suggests that Cunha will be a considerably more useful player when we're defending than Cherki.
That's hardly to say that Cunha has an insane work rate, and indeed a fair few people were concerned about that stat which showed he spends the greatest percentage of time walking of anyone in the league, but this consideration is much more acute with Cherki. Talented as Cherki is, he's a complete non-entity in the defensive phase. I'm repeating what I've said elsewhere here but I'm not sure we're currently in a position where we can accommodate such a player.
Will be the signing of the summer if Pep doesn't turn him into a robot.
Maybe there's a clause in their contracts that gets them out of there if they get a punishment of any magnitude.
I'm clasping at straws though.
All the best players to ever play for us came from different leagues?!
Cantona
Keane
Cole
Yorke
Van der Sar
Van Persie
Carrick
That's just off the top of my head.
Oh just the very best then during the Sir Alex era
. Shaw has been good but insanely injury prone, Schnederlein(Wrong spelling I think) was crap, Wan Bissaka was decent but fell apart and didn’t have that attacking prowess after 1 season and that has been a pattern for years. PL proven doesn’t mean jack. Harry Kane would struggle with this squad.Enjoy being Jack Grealished lad.
Contingent on how much weight you put on “premier league proven”. France has repeatedly and consistently provided some of the biggest premier league stars. Cherki is evidently a special talent.
On the other hand, Cunha is reportedly more expensive and 4-5 years older.
It's not only the league, also the corresponding teams in that league.
Cherki is still special though
The post I replied to specifically highlighted leagues, no?
Anecdotally, from watching both, Cherki jumps out at me as a better ball carrier, dribbler and more inventive, which that wheel seems to corroborate - and sure these things can be affected by league and team stature, but I don’t think they’re contingent on or heavily skewed by them - they’re largely individual traits. If you were to ask me - prior to seeing that wheel stat - what I think Cunha is better at, I would have said finishing - but the disparity in that wheel isn’t even as significant as I would have assumed (looking at the non-penalty goals stat)
I get player development isn’t a linear thing, but considering their ages - Cunha is also likely to be in a more advanced stage of his development, and still - I think that wheel is incredibly impressive for Cherki
We never go for players like this anyway
feck sake. All the best talents. Going to other places. Depressing.
Cunha is doing that in the EPL though
Nice upgrade on Bernardo Silva.
Again im not denying that he's allowed to dribble, but he's still fairly unimpactful in Guardiolas team. For wingers to be most effective, they generally shouldnt be in heavy possession based teams with lots of lateral passes and rigid attacking shapes.
Strange seeing the shift in this thread from most people stating they wouldn't want a lazy player with attitude problems at the start and how he wouldn't fit this system ,
to now bemoaning the fact that someone else is potentially buying him and how he's exactly what we need.
Very odd shift.
This is a De Bryne replacement and a massive step downwards in terms of quality for City.
to now bemoaning the fact that someone else is potentially buying him and how he's exactly what we need.
Very odd shift.
This is a De Bryne replacement and a massive step downwards in terms of quality for City.
In all likelihood those are different groups of people/aren’t the same posters
Cherki is a tremendous upgrade on current De Bruyne - you’re seldom able to like for like replace a “prime” version of one of the best ever in this league, so you go for the next best thing; which is talented players with a high ceiling - and considering they still managed to finish in the top 3, signing such as will help them close the gap with Liverpool
Came here to say this. Sickening.
a quick glance at transfermarkt and it’s:
Cunha - 17 goals, 6 assists
Cherki - 12 goals, 20 assists
They did though?
NPG is non-penalty goals and you can clearly see Cunha is ahead on the graph
The price of Cherki makes him an easy transfer to do
He'll be a good signing for them. They never properly replaced Mahrez.
There goes another one
What a nothing fee.