He he. Where's the seagull man when you need him...
Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic
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I was really trying to cut the lad some slack last night but at half time I was asking my mate if he thought Hargreaves was fully fit. I honestly don't think he can be. No pace at all. I suppose his poor positioning could be down to lack of familiarity with the position. He actually managed to some extent to slow us down even at full back. Seemed to have forgotten at one point that he's supposed to take the throw ins and was slow to get there. One utterly spastic throw in the second half, just threw the ball straight back to Bolton with no red shirt anywhere near where he landed the ball. He looks really out of sorts, I felt sorry for him.Well on the plus side, it seems that Fergie is seeing the light with Hargreaves - shipped out to right back to rest others ahead of the Liverpool game. Bring him back to midfield when/if he finds some form.
Not sure I'd play him right back again though - I was actually looking forward to seeing him in that position as I thought he'd do a good job for us. But he looked very sluggish today. Is he carrying a knock or something cos he doesn't look as though he has any pace at all and I thought he was meant to have some?
So let's get this right. Hargreaves's job is to "stop the opposition from playing" but not to "stop the opposition from scoring"?
The Russians are closing in on your bunker Chief. Poison for Nucks, Bullet for IK. Remember to save one for yourself.
That'll be the problem then...
Probably. He's also German. But not Canadian. And as far as I know he's got no relatives in Bolton.
The last pope was a useful goalie in his youth. He would have known about defending and probably bollocked the odd midfielder in his time for (I know this is controversial) not defending properly...
Obviously being bollocked by a pope would be a chastening experience as he would call you 'my son' or something which might confuse you... him being a man of the cloth and all.
Actually perhaps OH played full back last night to avoid him getting embarrassed in front of his inbred relatives. Didn't work sadly.
Last night showed OH isn't a full back. He really didn't have much idea at all with very little attempt to get forward. Even Simpson would be a better bet there.
On the fac e of it, if Fergie doesn't pick him in midfield next to Carrick on Sunday then I really don't know why he was brought in. Having said that the injury issue could be a real one. If he's still troubled by that tendonitis then it is understandable why his appearances are so intermittent. However, that doesn't help the team and Fergie must, or should, be getting a more settled side playing well together for the upcoming big games. Chopping and changing the midfield every single game will not help achieve that.
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Yes I agree Julian. I was surprised with the team last night, I think we all were - Fergie messing about and getting away with it again. Bolton were poor obviously but OH didn't have a good game. I thought he'd be OK at full back, he's played OK there for England in the past. I seriously do think he's carrying an injury though and hope he gets himself sorted for the start of next season. Maybe he played last night because it was Bolton and his connections with the town? Fergie's done dafter things in his time. Before the game the media were saying Fletch would play full back and they even had that formation on the MUTV screens in the concourse but I said straight away that he must be playing OH at full back, Fletch has shown better form in midfield when given the opportunity.
I can't see Hargreaves being in the team on Sunday, I suspect he'll start with a five man midfield though because Liverpool will do that. Could well be Fletcher, Scholes, Carrick all starting with Anderson on the bench. Hopefully as you say, he'll decide on settled midfield combinations, who his best two are, who his best three are. I don't think Hargreaves on current form is in either.
I think Hargreaves was OK at right back, yes he gave away posession and doesn't have the same understanding (how could he) in that position but i feel with a couple of games he could be a good right back.
I would personally love to see a midfield of Fletch, Scholes and Carrick for the game against Liverpool.
Setting aside the injury issue, which you quite rightly allude to, I don't think we quite know what sort of form OH is in. He really has to play in a settled midfield - my preference is with Carrick plus Scholes in more attacking mode. I think if we deploy Scholes properly he has much more to offer than Anderson - at this stage at least. I'd still play OH ahead of say Fletch, despite the latter's penchant for raising his game on the big occasions.
In any event, I suspect Fergie will want to start Ryan so that will add another dimension to the speculation !
I think it's fair to say OH hasn't played with a settled midfield but then neither has anyone else! Fletch has had the same problem posed for him. In previous seasons, Fletch has always needed a couple of games to get up to pace but this season he's been thrown in after having no football for ages and done well. Certainly better than Hargreaves on current form.
You're probably right about Giggs although he's not been playing well either.
Yeah I'm sure he can play well at right back, I've seen him do it for England. Wasn't much good last night though IMO. As I said, I think he's carrying an injury. Wouldn't play him at right back against Liverpool after what he did last night which is what Fergie seems to be considering if Rio's out.
Hargreaves has been lumbering most of the season. It seemed particularly bad yesterday, he lacked energy, drive and pace. KF might be right, and he is playing with an injury. Let's just hope it's not long term.
It may have seemed different on TV, I don't know, but watching him live was not a welcome sight.
It may have seemed different on TV, I don't know, but watching him live was not a welcome sight.
Agreed. Looked indecisive. Didn't overlap enough. Tried one of his trade mark head down runs with predictable results in the second half. Crossing was poor. Generally looked confused.
(By the way my Dad's side of the family is Canadian if this has relevance.)
Good Morning Hargreaves Thread!!!
How are we all this miserable Mancunian morning?
The rain is bucketing down, the skies are grey, the streets are being cleared of the matchday litter and people are staggering forth from their 1930s Semi-Detached houses to collect the milk, rubbing their eyes and saying "feck me how bad was Hargreaves at right back last night?"
How are we all this miserable Mancunian morning?
The rain is bucketing down, the skies are grey, the streets are being cleared of the matchday litter and people are staggering forth from their 1930s Semi-Detached houses to collect the milk, rubbing their eyes and saying "feck me how bad was Hargreaves at right back last night?"
You have mirrored my views and conversations from last night almost word for word. In fact it's quite scary - sort of like Fight Club.
Anyhoo... you're right, people were actually feeling sorry for Moose last night. Personally I was quite excited for him playing right back - thought it might be a good way up getting up to the pace of the English game without losing us midfield edge, but he looked completely out-of-sorts.
There were two moments where he looked incredibly slow, in the first half when he was overlapping from Ronaldo's ball and then when he was skinned all-ends-up in the dying minutes. His passing was mediocre, he didn't get one cross in all night, and as for his throws.... Also, did you see that bit in the first half where Fletcher had to tell him to go and take the throw-in because he was playing full-back? Truly bizarre.
I tried asking on here whether the likes of Chief thought he was fully fit (as an avid Moose watcher) but of course for that lot, Moose was the best player on the park last night. I'd be interested to know, from them whether they think he's fully fit, or whether it's just that the Bundesliga is SO much slower than the EPL.
But dotted across the world, away from the industrial north of England, separated by distance but united by their love, small groups of loyalists maintain the hope that one day their supressed idol will rise to the prominence prophesised by their Chief.
I take it you were at the game last night then Ralphie.
You know that you've got problems when the fans, rather than getting on your back, just start to feel sorry for you....
Aye lad. Having predicted a 2-0 on the Matchday Forum before I departed for the game
But dotted across the world, away from the industrial north of England, separated by distance but united by their love, small groups of loyalists maintain the hope that one day their supressed idol will rise to the prominence prophesised by their Chief.
I take it you were at the game last night then Ralphie.
Ronaldo unplayable last night. Tevez not far behind. And I suspect Rio will be fit for Sunday - but mysteriously might pick up a knock that keeps him out of Capello's squad (one which will of course include Carrick but not Hargreaves
).All true. I thought Tevez was excellent last night. I noticed in the first half when there was a complete lack of central midfield that he was really the only one taking responsibility and dropping back and trying to sort it out. He looked like much more of a threat running with the ball than has recently. The rest has obviously done him good.Aye lad. Having predicted a 2-0 on the Matchday Forum before I departed for the game
Ronaldo unplayable last night. Tevez not far behind. And I suspect Rio will be fit for Sunday - but mysteriously might pick up a knock that keeps him out of Capello's squad (one which will of course include Carrick but not Hargreaves
When is the Ingerlund match? To be honest I don't even bother keeping up to date with it anymore.
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Yeah, he's suddenly got a yard of pace that was missing at the start of the season. Finishing is not great though (ditto Rooney and Saha!)
Wednesday apparently. Yeah I didn't realise until last night the little Ingerlunders were in action.
Up yours. You fecking racistOh, get over yourself!
We thank you for your patience during the sanity that disrupted your viewing.
Hmmm, this could get interesting...
I can't see how I'm proving I'm insecure by pointing out how juvenile you are. As usual your imagination is running wild.
To be fair, that first incident wasn't so much lack of pace as lack of thought. He didn't predict the pass and got caught on his heels. When he finally took his thumb out his arse, he gave Gardner a run for his money.
Agree he was disappointing though. I thought he would offer us much more than Wes going forward but, if anything, he was even less effective
I still have hopes for the lad though, in his natural position. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the nod for Sunday. When we played them at Anfailed he was a big help in snuffing out Torres. If Rio doesn't feature we will badly need Hargreaves pace on the cover.
Wrong. I claim he isn't there to prevent us conceding goals. He is there to win the ball, supply it to our more attacking players while also stopping the opponents from playing. I have never said any where that he doesn't defend. Or that he is there to "prevent us scoring goals"
'Winning the ball' and 'stopping our opponents from playing' all contribute to us not conceding goals!
How can you not see that ?!?!
I simply told him the truth. He shouldn't mix himself with me. He was attributing what he himself said to me.
That's rich coming for a person who can treat the holocaust so trivial the you could compare support for Hargreaves to anything Hitler did. You are a truly classless human being
Your feel threatened by a teenager. Trust me, everytime I'm having a debate with someone, and they realise they are losing the battle, they quickly bring in my age as a comeback. It's a sign of insecurity.
Think of me as the goby ASBO kid, and you as the old frail man, afraid to open his front door, if you like.
Why then did we still concede goals when Keane was defending our back four? When we all know he did his job superbly?
Because no one's a machine.
You flatter yourself a bit to much. Hell will freeze over the day I start to feel insecure because of you. I don't have to like. You come up with so many school boy antics. Like he last part of your post above. But hate beng called out on you being young and at times very foolish. RemarkableThink of me as the goby ASBO kid, and you as the old frail man, afraid to open his front door, if you like.
Keep telling yourself that.
Anyway, back to OH, what (in your un-biased) opinion, did you make of his performance last night ?
The same reason the best defenders in the world concede goals. It's impossible not to.
How silly
. It's because it's the job of the defence and the keeper to stop the ball entering their net. So even if the defensive midfielder has a fantastic game. He is powerless if the defence and keeper can't do their job. Which is to keep at bay wingers and strikers.
That's not the point is it? The point is the defence and keeper are actually the ones who directly prevent goals. No one else. A thing you labelled as" nonsense"
Anyway this hargreaves guy..bit shit isn't he
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