I'm not sure why you care.
Or why you bring it up here, because people don't overrate players just because they play in La Liga here.
Or why you bring it up here, because people don't overrate players just because they play in La Liga here.
So are Rio, Terry, Carragher and Woodgate big lumps of shit then? You're taking your blind hatred of anything English too far here mate.
You're basically the two most biased posters on here so lets just close this thread and be done with it, there will be no resolution.
Of course you can, but you said yourself you're biased against Barcelona.Now we're not allowed to have an opinion?
We just have to go along with Barca have the greatest player in the World in every position?
Which changes things.
I said I don't like Barca, much like many people have said they don't like Real Madrid, what's the difference?
Like I said, I thought Ramos was the best RB in La Liga last season and so far this season, whilst Alves has done well, I don't think he's become the best RB around yet.
Yeah because i've compared Rio, Terry, Carragher and Woodgate with Titus Bramble....
What i said was to compare titus bramble to a player who has won titles with real madrid and spain is a bit daft. Considering all the players you mention have won things of importance (bar woodgate unless he got a title with madrid, not sure if he did or if he played enough) and been top performers for their clubs at one stage or another.
Again you just make a wild assumption because i take offence to Titus Bramble being made out to be a better footballer than Sergio Ramos.
Sergio Ramos has had a rubbish season.
So while I suppose deciding who's the better right back is debatable, there's no argument to who's had the much better season.
Ramos is a very good dribbler, good passer, good at crossing and has a nice shot on him, and he's good in the air, and he's not bad one-on-one. Alves is a better dribbler, crosser and better at shooting and defending one-on-one.
They're both rubbish positionally, and their mentality's very odd, they can't seem to keep their emotions under control and they get too many red cards because of that.
Agreeing with FV shocker...
Comparing Bramble to Ramos is almost as bad as the Scousers with their Pennant, Ronaldo comparison...
I agree that the original comparison with Bramble was idiotic but you said that a typical English centre half is a lump of shit. I obviously disagree with this as I see it as the only position where we rival, if not better, the nations on the continent.
Goes back to the Ronaldo Messi comparison.
Yes, Alves has had a better season than Ramos (Messi has had a better season than Ronaldo)
I just don't like to jump to the conclusion that Alves is the better RB (Messi is the better player) with a few months of the season still to go.
Will you still think so much of Alves if Bilbao & Lyon win in the next 10 days or so?
Yes and his attitude. Yet i can still come to the conclusion that he is a good player despite my obvious bias...
WHo is more bias the people that say La Liga is conference level defending, the people who hold blind hatred towards spanish teams like barca and madrid or me?
I'm guilty of not thinking la liga is shit, i'm guilty of saying it is more entertaining IMO than The Premiership. Does that mean i think the premiership is a god awful league with over-rated players and terrible defending. No i've never once said that because it is a top league, along side IMO La Liga and Serie A. Now just because i don't come out and back one league as being THE outstanding league the way everyone wants to with the Premiership doesnt make me biased, just means i have a different opinion and as far as players go you get good and bad players in any league so saying someone is shit because la liga is shit is just blind ignorance which is not something i'm personally guilty of very often.
Ramos is a crap defender and from what I've seen of Alves he's not much better
Irony. You are the one who do the exact opposite thing on here.
I do it on purpose at times.
I've only said that Bramble on his day is a better defender and I stand by it.
That's because you are blinkered when it comes to latin players. It is almost bordering on racism. Ramos has put in a lot of good defensive performances. He would do well in an organised defence, he needs to play alongside someone like Rio to better his defensive game.
I think he's over rated and I don't believe he'd improve what we have. He's good but there are a lot of good players out there. So basically feck him...
If you watched the Euros or Spain v England you'd have to say he's been consistently shite, positionally appalling, rash, error prone and easily beaten 1 v 1. A Latin version of Glen Johnson.
9 red cards in his last 4 seasons
He has had a poor season this year. He was not that appalling at all in Euros. You have a problem with modern day attacking full backs. According to you, the best left back in the world, Evra is not that good either.
nah, mate. you always go on and on about Barca and Messi like they're the second coming of Jesus God Almighty Christ the Saviour Son of God the Father Who Died For Our Sins.
it can be very predictable and rather nauseating. like i said before, i'm not saying that people who claim ridiculous things like conference level defending in the Liga are more biased than you. but i am saying they're as negatively biased as you are positively biased. same difference to me.
as for Ramos, that's a case in point. i happen to think he's not all that. a good player, but nowhere near what the hype suggests. he is a liability, whether picking up unnecessary bookings for rash fouls, or going on walkabout when his team needs him to defend. people say he's young. maybe so. but i look at a lad like our Evans, who has slotted into the first team picture without fuss, and is imo a million times the defender Ramos will ever be. where's the hype about him, eh?
the boy is mature, good on the ball, a threat at set pieces, and his distribution from the back top-notch. and yet....
it doesn't bother me. but it does indicate that for whatever reason Liga players tend to be overhyped.
His natural position, you started watching football yesterday it seems.
He came to Madrid as a CB, partnered Cannavaro but was shit and they signed Pepe who is also very inconsistent to become the new Cannavaro's partner.
They put him on the right to not bench him but his natural position was CB, same thing about Heinze, he is so shit at CB that he is their LB.
All not true, he came to them in 05/06, Cannavaro was still at Juve.
And he was a right back for Sevilla plenty of times before he came to Madrid.
Well tbh he was a CB who could be a RB.He proved that he's a better RB (or rather he's less shit than at CB) and converted himself
Ramos is a very good right back, not as good at centre back. He plays with a poor defence at Madrid and the Spanish national team isn't the best either.
He takes a lot of the blame for being a big part of that poor defence, for each team.
Plenty of individual errors of his own.
Obviously he isn't immune to any criticism but for a right back whose best strengths are going forward to play in weak back lines, well yeah...
Well said
You've gone too far
If you're basing your opinion on the Euro's then Ronaldo is pretty shite too.
Great post
Comparing Evans to Sergio Ramos is rubbish.
Evans came through the youth team and is slowly making a name for himself, Ramos broke through the Sevilla team at the age of 18 and moved to Madrid for around £20m, which is obviously going to cause hype. If we'd have done the same then there would've been loads of hype caused from it too.
If any team does what Barca did in the first half of the season, scoring the goals they scored and winning the way they won the they too will come under "Jesus God Almighty Christ the Saviour Son of God the Father Who Died For Our Sins" praise from me because it is for one a joy to watch and also doesn't happen very often.
Also the Messi point is pointless, my opinions on him are probably well known on these boards and i'm entitled to them but again i don't think it's bias, i just watched him and barca have a fantasy first half of the season and quite enjoyed the show as i'm sure the fans did and any impartial football fan who likes to watch great football did as well.
alves is fairly decent defensively, despite his attacking mindset.
Easily the best rb in the world right now.
Easily the best rb in the world right now.
He's been poor for nearly a year I'd say. Nearly very time I've seen Ramos for Real or Spain he's been poor.
Sergio Ramos is talented alright but overrated yet not as shite as many here presume him to be. He got wild card entries for all FIFA and Ballon'dor awards but strangely after picking up a fight with Calderon and his cronies last season he was left in limbo this season although he has improved a bit.
If anyone find him annoying and laugh at his positional skills and defending, then better have a closer look at Roberto Carlos, got skinned by every other half decent winger, overall a full back version of Steven Gerrard yet he continued merrily at Madrid for nearly a decade.
As for this Ramos hype it started around the 06/07 when they freakishly sneaked to a league win, and their subsequent failure to land Kaka they needed some one apart from Casillas and Ruud to wank over and Marca hyped this player out of proportions as the next big thing. Inreality he was never in contention for the best right back in the world or any where near that level.
If anyone find him annoying and laugh at his positional skills and defending, then better have a closer look at Roberto Carlos, got skinned by every other half decent winger, overall a full back version of Steven Gerrard yet he continued merrily at Madrid for nearly a decade.
As for this Ramos hype it started around the 06/07 when they freakishly sneaked to a league win, and their subsequent failure to land Kaka they needed some one apart from Casillas and Ruud to wank over and Marca hyped this player out of proportions as the next big thing. Inreality he was never in contention for the best right back in the world or any where near that level.
Alves is a very good right back better than Ramos are any one else barring Maicon.
Which right backs do you think are better than Ramos?
Alves Maicon and Zambrotta are better. I would take even a 35 year old Zanetti over Ramos.
Ramos is quality and still only really young. He'd stroll into our first team.