Antonio Valencia | 2009/10 Performances

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It was the "always" bit I was responding to actually.

I see your point but I don't have any major concerns about a right-winger who won't score many goals (or take many shots) with his left-foot. We've been spoilt with Ronaldo, there's been a lot of excellent wingers who are fairly one-footed.
No, not a major problem - but its a factor.
 

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Its not an obsession, its just that being very one footed is a limitation. Facht.

Its more noticeable after watching Ronaldo for the last 5 years..
After watching Ronaldo, not scoring 40 goals a season is a limitation.

The comparisment is useless IMHO.
 

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Tell that to Ryan Giggs.
If you read back, i have already talked about Ryan Giggs being very left footed and why its not such a limitation in his case.

Sure, Giggs is very left footed too, but thee way he moves is very different to Valencia. Giggs jinks his way through defenders like a downhill skier goes though a slalom course. He uses his speed, low centre of gravity, his great close control, both sides of his left foot and his old snake hips. Point is, despite only being left footed, defenders never knew, and still don’t know, which way Giggs would go.
Despite that, being very one footed is a limitation. Just imagine if Giggs could use his right foot half as effectively as he uses his sweet left peg.
 

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After watching Ronaldo, not scoring 40 goals a season is a limitation.

The comparisment is useless IMHO.
Did you even read my original post?

Im not criticising Valencia, simply making the point that him being very right footed does limit our options from the right. It limits his potency. Doesn’t meant he is not a good player though.

Im not comparing him to Ronaldo - that would be unfair.
 

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Its not an obsession, its just that being very one footed is a limitation. Facht.

Its more noticeable after watching Ronaldo for the last 5 years..
Being one footed is normal, not a limitation. Being two footed is just a bonus. Fahct.

I really wish people could stop comparing him with Ronaldo, it's just so stupid.
 

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Did you even read my original post?

Im not criticising Valencia, simply making the point that him being very right footed does limit our options from the right. It limits his potency. Doesn’t meant he is not a good player though.

Im not comparing him to Ronaldo - that would be unfair.
Him having a good right foot is not a limitation.
If he had a left foot just as good it would be a massive, massive bonus.

What players in our squad has a good shot with their weak foot?
 

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Despite that, being very one footed is a limitation. Just imagine if Giggs could use his right foot half as effectively as he uses his sweet left peg.
You could say that about loads of players though. The completely two-footed footballer is a rare breed.

I always used to complain about any professional footballer who wasn't two-footed. I figured that they should be working hard enough on their weaker foot to reduce their reliance on their strong foot. The thing is, though, their weaker foot is probably not all that bad but they're favouring their stronger foot because it's that much better.

Every now and then you see a player who can barely kick a ball with their wrong foot (yes you, Quaresma) but I wouldn't put Valencia in that category, in fact one of his best crosses against Stoke was with his left. We'll have to wait and see with the shooting thing, as he hasn't really taken on any shots with his right either. He's definitely playing within himself and has looked to take the safe option more often that not, presumably because he still can't quite believe the stage he's playing on.

He just needs a bit more confidence and self-belief. He's got an absolute hammer of a right-foot shot on him, I'm sure we'll see him test keepers with his left before the season's out.
 

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Being one footed is normal, not a limitation. Being two footed is just a bonus. Fahct.

I really wish people could stop comparing him with Ronaldo, it's just so stupid.
Thats not a fact.

Everyone footballer has two feet - if you can only use one, its a limitation. Though im not saying it makes a player a bad player. We all have limitations - even the great Ronaldo.

Its a bit those that say a player has overachieved. Its not possible to overachieve.
 

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If you read back, i have already talked about Ryan Giggs being very left footed and why its not such a limitation in his case.



Despite that, being very one footed is a limitation. Just imagine if Giggs could use his right foot half as effectively as he uses his sweet left peg.
Pogue has already said pretty much everything I would have said in response to this, so I'll not bother repeating it all.
 

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I thought he was very good last night. Used his physique very well and even when he'd make the wrong decision he'd make up for it with his upper body strength. Still would like to see him deliver a little more in the final third but I really enjoyed his performance last night. Best so far in his United career.
 

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You could say that about loads of players though. The completely two-footed footballer is a rare breed.

I always used to complain about any professional footballer who wasn't two-footed. I figured that they should be working hard enough on their weaker foot to reduce their reliance on their strong foot. The thing is, though, their weaker foot is probably not all that bad but they're favouring their stronger foot because it's that much better.
They are a rare breed, and for some reason they are rarer now than they used to be. I dont expect all players to be two footed and im not criticizing Valencia because he isnt. But its still a limitation in my mind.

Bit of a glass half empty, glass half full argument really.
 

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Early days yet but I would like to see him use some of his pace especially when there is plenty of grass in front of him (like last night on the counter). His positive distribution is awful as his ability to shoot. From what I have seen in terms of passing a player he has the one trick where he drops his shoulder then goes the over way. Not impressed up to now but as I say its early days yet and playing with the likes of Giggs will certainly improve him.
 

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did we spend 18 million on a player with one trick that hasn't actually worked since the valencia game in pre-season??
 

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did we spend 18 million on a player with one trick that hasn't actually worked since the valencia game in pre-season??
He's fast, he works good in defence, his crosses are quite good and it's his first season bloody hell!

Nobody will play the same as Ronaldo did. We changed our style, we have different winger.

I don't understand some of you who wrote Valencia off.
 

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Yup, we should have spent the money on a machine that filters away crap pointless posters like you from the internet instead. No offence.
:lol::lol:

Valencia needs time. He's laregely ineffective currently but thats purely down to confidence and him trying to find a place in the team. Its very rare that we buy a player who makes an immediate impact, most take 20-30 games before they really get going. Look at Berbatov, Carrick, Vidic, Evra etc etc

Patience required with Valencia please.
 

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Yup, we should have spent the money on a machine that filters away crap pointless posters like you from the internet instead. No offence.
haha

good comeback

i just mean that i expect more for that kind of money - munich got robben for 25 million euro - i hope he can offer a bit more creativity than the shite he has served up so far
 

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Scored again for Ecuador last night....

Forlan keeps Uruguay hopes alive

Uruguay claimed a crucial victory away to Ecuador to keep their hopes of World Cup qualification alive going into the final round of fixtures in the South America zone.

An injury-time penalty from Diego Forlan gave the Charruas victory at the Olimpico Atahualpa and they now need a win over Argentina on Wednesday to achieve automatic qualification.

Antonio Valencia had put the home side ahead in the second half only for Luis Suarez to equalise almost immediately.

The match started evenly, but Uruguay had a chance to take the lead in the 10th minute when Marcelo Elizaga saved a Luis Suarez shot.

Ecuador were beginning to dominate possession, but it was Uruguay who posed the greater goal threat as Forlan tested Elizaga with a couple of long-range efforts.

Neither team could find a goal in the opening period, but Manchester United midfielder Valencia broke the deadlock 20 minutes after the interval. Uruguay, though, needed only 60 seconds to get back on level terms as Forlan set up Suarez to score.

Ecuador were seeing far more of the ball but they saw their hopes dashed when Brazilian referee Salvio Fagundes awarded a penalty after ruling Edison Cavani had been fouled in the area by Elizaga. And Atletico Madrid striker Forlan made no mistake from the post to earn his side a crucial victory.

Ecuador must now beat Chile on Wednesday to make sure of a play-off place against a country from North, Central America and Caribbean qualifying. The Uruguayans, meanwhile, will make it to the World Cup if they beat Argentina.

Report: Ecuador vs Uruguay - World Cup Qualifying - CONMEBOL - ESPN Soccernet

 

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What a penalty that was from Diego :eek:

Good to see Valencia get on the scoresheet. Hopefully Ecuador can win in Chile.
 

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What a penalty that was from Diego :eek:

Good to see Valencia get on the scoresheet. Hopefully Ecuador can win in Chile.
Did you see him in the previous qualifying game.... Quite impressive ripped the team to shreads with his pace.
 

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Jesus. What a penalty from Diego.

Hopefully Ecuador can get a win against Chile and our man Valencia comes back full of confidence. A lot of faith in him, think he can be massive for us.
 

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On his way to outscoring Ronaldo's tally of last season. 25 to go to match that.
 

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He was very good today. Still a bit on dimensional though but against teams like these he's really useful.
 

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He's very good when he can run at pace against the defender, but final product still a bit lacking I feel. Should go backwards less often but pretty happy with his improvement, probably has more confidence in taking shots on now.

Don't let him anywhere near corners though
 

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He's very good when he can run at pace against the defender, but final product still a bit lacking I feel. Should go backwards less often but pretty happy with his improvement, probably has more confidence in taking shots on now.

Don't let him anywhere near corners though
with the state of our defense i have no problem with him going back.
 

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Teams like what? Shit?
Yes. The Premier League has quite a few of them you know.

I basically mean average-shit teams that only come with the intention of parking the bus because he gives us genuine width and lots of good crosses into the box.

Very useful.
 

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Did well today, looked like he was playing with a lot of confidence. Great goal. Not sure about the celebration though.
 
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Today was definitely his best showing in a United shirt, was really impressed with him, and that's without considering his goal as well.

If Giggs hadn't been so immense, he'd have been MOTM for my money
 
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