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They lost the game playing like that... the achieved the final by playin good stuff in the first episode.
Anyone who says that has a fundamental lack of understanding of the game. Mourinho will have sent his team out today thinking that the minimum acceptable result is a 1-0 defeat and they "achieved" that.

There are plenty of mitigating circumstances. Barcelona dominate teams that come to their gaff at the best of times, but when the ref decides to make the game 12 against 10, then you've really got an up hill struggle.
 

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They still had an attacking outlet. With 11 v 11, they probably would have offered more going forward as the game wore on, on the counter attack.

And anyway, they were 3-1 up from the first leg and were not compelled to attack. Who in their right mind would go there and open up the game?

Defending is an art and they basically perfected it tonight.

Stop being a snob. There is more than one way to play football.
Yes there is, but to play football you need to have the ball at your feet at some point. There was only one team playing the game and that was not Inter. And if you think playing 6 central defenders and playing Eto and Milito as full backs is an art, then I cannot argue with you.
 

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:lol:...calm down you big grinch. Anyone who likes Mourinho is suddenly a closet inter fan?...Oh do feck off.


btw, Barca turning the sprinklers on was one of the least classy things I've ever seen....pathetic. I'm glad they got fecked over just for that..
If Mourinho is to be believed they've been pulling a number of stunts over the past few days.

Barca haven't covered themselves in glory on or off the pitch tonight.
 

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I choose to read them in the context of a shocking red card decision. They played 60+ mins against Barca in the Nou Camp with a man less.
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Well thats an incredibly stupid choice then isnt it.

In what world was it a "shocking" red card?

The man is on a yellow card and puts his hand in an opponent's face. He might have been lucky and got a yellow. But already being on a yellow he'd have been sent off anyway.
 

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I'm just glad the whole wankfest that started from one refereeing disaster (Ovebro) seems to end despite another one tonight.

Best club side ever? You're having a laugh... :lol:
Of course they are not. C. Ronaldo is the best "club" ever
 

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:lol:...calm down you big grinch. Anyone who likes Mourinho is suddenly a closet inter fan?...Oh do feck off.


btw, Barca turning the sprinklers on was one of the least classy things I've ever seen....pathetic. I'm glad they got fecked over just for that..
They're certainly coming across that way.

What's really annoying is that some of the most giddy Mourinho acolytes, drooling about his defensive masterclass, protested the most vehemently about the "spineless" nil all draw United achieved against Barca in '08.
 

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Yes there is, but to play football you need to have the ball at your feet at some point. There was only one team playing the game and that was not Inter. And if you think playing 6 central defenders and playing Eto and Milito as full backs is an art, then I cannot argue with you.
You're being a snob - are you an Arsenal or Barca fan by any chance.

How many teams could have been that organised and done that well defensively in the Nou Camp with a numerical disadvantage?

The pitch is already huge. Barca already dominate the possession. Then all of a sudden, you're down to 10 men (completely wrongly) meaning that the task becomes even more knackering. Are you seriously proposing that they should have opened themselves up at that juncture? Intercepting the ball and making good tackles/blocks (only 12 fouls in the game from Inter) is as much a skill as passing the ball.

Anyway, you carry on with your crusade. I'm sure it will really rile Inter as they get ready for May 22. Barca will be at home - but at least they have some class and principles... oh.

Seeing as you're such a fan of the attacking principles, I'm assuming you're disappointed with Barca's inability to really fashion much tonight? Considering all their possession, that is.
 

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Well thats an incredibly stupid choice then isnt it.

In what world was it a "shocking" red card?

The man is on a yellow card and puts his hand in an opponent's face. He might have been lucky and got a yellow. But already being on a yellow he'd have been sent off anyway.
Well, if you're a soft twat, then I suppose that you may have been inclined to think that maybe it could have been a yellow. Even that would have been harsh. There was no violent intent from Motta. Anyone who has played football will have put their arm out like that to keep their man at arm's length.

Never in a million years was that worthy of any sort of card.

We need to get real man - you can't be giving yellow cards for that sort of thing.

They're certainly coming across that way.

What's really annoying is that some of the most giddy Mourinho acolytes, drooling about his defensive masterclass, protested the most vehemently about the "spineless" nil all draw United achieved against Barca in '08.
You don't have to laud Mourinho - I'll admit that can be a little galling. But don't detract from the performance of the players.
 

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They're certainly coming across that way.

What's really annoying is that some of the most giddy Mourinho acolytes, drooling about his defensive masterclass, protested the most vehemently about the "spineless" nil all draw United achieved against Barca in '08.
Thats a fairly fair point...but something's clearly got your goat about it beyond that....But then again I love Mourinho, so we'll always be coming at it from different opinions. Tonight was all about their back 10 more than it was Mourinho.
 

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The striking thing about the possession numbers was how different the game felt to that opening 20 minutes at the Emirates when it really felt as if you were watching a good team get dissected by a great one.

For all their possession today, there was nothing to attach the word great to. Something between pointless and trying to bore their opponents to death - I have seen them play like that many times before, it's why the "football for purists" business just irritates me.

Yes, it was one of those games when I thought Barca were tedious, with Inter as the perfect counterpoint - the main entertainment being the looks of confusion from the Barca players as they realised they really were being sent round in ever decreasing circles. Last ten minutes were fun though.
 

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feck 'em.

There's nothing remotely likeable about him or his players. I think you'll find the praise on here for Fergie in 2008 was coming mainly from United fans. What I can't understand is why this board is suddenly populated by closet Inter fans.

Barca acted like twats an' all tonight but the love-in for Mourinho (and Inter) on here is making my skin crawl. He's such an unlikeable dick.
Closet Inter fans? :lol:
 

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The striking thing about the possession numbers was how different the game felt to that opening 20 minutes at the Emirates when it really felt as if you were watching a good team get dissected by a great one.

For all their possession today, there was nothing to attach the word great to. Something between pointless and trying to bore their opponents to death - I have seen them play like that many times before, it's why the "football for purists" business just irritates me.

Yes, it was one of those games when I thought Barca were tedious, with Inter as the perfect counterpoint - the main entertainment being the looks of confusion from the Barca players as they realised they really were being sent round in ever decreasing circles. Last ten minutes were fun though.
Yeah good point. A lot of possession for possession's sake tonight - which is totally pointless.

Xavi, despite completing a shit load of passes, was as quiet and ineffectual as he has been in a long while.
 

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You're being a snob - are you an Arsenal or Barca fan by any chance.

How many teams could have been that organised and done that well defensively in the Nou Camp with a numerical disadvantage?

The pitch is already huge. Barca already dominate the possession. Then all of a sudden, you're down to 10 men (completely wrongly) meaning that the task becomes even more knackering. Are you seriously proposing that they should have opened themselves up at that juncture? Intercepting the ball and making good tackles/blocks (only 12 fouls in the game from Inter) is as much a skill as passing the ball.

Anyway, you carry on with your crusade. I'm sure it will really rile Inter as they get ready for May 22. Barca will be at home - but at least they have some class and principles... oh.

Seeing as you're such a fan of the attacking principles, I'm assuming you're disappointed with Barca's inability to really fashion much tonight? Considering all their possession, that is.
Wtf are you on about? That was a yellow card foul, and that would have been his second yellow so he was anyways getting sent off.

And all the clubs playing in the UCL have the same sized pitch.

And btw, I am supporting Inter in the final, because I don't want those undeserving German to win. But as a neutral my opinion is the team that played football did not reach the final, that said, all credit to Mourinho on taking a team that was inferior to its opponent to the next stage.
 

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Wtf are you on about? That was a yellow card foul, and that would have been his second yellow so he was anyways getting sent off.
To be honest, I don't really know what to say.

We're at diametrically opposing positions in terms of what constitutes a foul/violent conduct.

In no way, shape or form was what Thiago Motta did a bookable offense. He has literally put his hand on his neck. There was no thrust, no violent intent. He's put his hand out to keep his marker at arms length. Happens all the time in football.

If you think that was a booking, then there is no point in debating this point.

I'm astounded at how soft football and some of its fans have become.
 

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To be honest, I don't really know what to say.

We're at diametrically opposing positions in terms of what constitutes a foul/violent conduct.

In no way, shape or form was what Thiago Motta did a bookable offense. He has literally put his hand on his neck. There was no thrust, no violent intent. He's put his hand out to keep his marker at arms length. Happens all the time in football.

If you think that was a booking, then there is no point in debating this point.

I'm astounded at how soft football and some of its fans have become.
Firstly if you know how a human runs, he does not need to keep his hand this high except if he was trying to fend off some one. Motta raised his hand and however soft it maybe once you raise your hand and hit the opponent its a foul, it hit Busquets on his neck or lower face. I agree Busquets made a meal off it, but that was a definite yellow. I have seen that given before and will continue seeing. That said, how would you defend the Bojan goal that was disallowed. Please I would really like to know.
 

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Firstly if you know how a human runs, he does not need to keep his hand this high except if he was trying to fend off some one. Motta raised his hand and however soft it maybe once you raise your hand and hit the opponent its a foul, it hit Busquets on his neck or lower face. I agree Busquets made a meal off it, but that was a definite yellow. I have seen that given before and will continue seeing. That said, how would you defend the Bojan goal that was disallowed. Please I would really like to know.
Conveniently ignoring the offside Pique goal...
 

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Firstly if you know how a human runs, he does not need to keep his hand this high except if he was trying to fend off some one. Motta raised his hand and however soft it maybe once you raise your hand and hit the opponent its a foul, it hit Busquets on his neck or lower face. I agree Busquets made a meal off it, but that was a definite yellow. I have seen that given before and will continue seeing. That said, how would you defend the Bojan goal that was disallowed. Please I would really like to know.
Motta wasn't really running though. If you see it again, they were jockeying for position. Motta near the line, with Sergi Busquets behind him. We're not going to agree on this - if we're giving bookings for that, then the game is soft. Sorry.

I'm not defending the disallowed goal. I don't think I've even mentioned it this evening. At the short distance it was at, I think it was probably on the harsh side.
 

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Conveniently ignoring the offside Pique goal...
Sorry I thought Pique was offside as well, but when ITV did the post match analysis they clearly showed some Inter defender at the far corner of the box had kept him onside and the linesman had a clear view of it and he made the right decision. And if we are dissecting each and every detail, what about Milito's offside goal, and maybe you will say Milito was given offside when he was onside in the early parts of the first leg. Then I would like to add late in the first leg there was a definite man handling of Pique in the box which IMO was a penalty.
 

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Sorry I thought Pique was offside as well, but when ITV did the post match analysis they clearly showed some Inter defender at the far corner of the box had kept him onside and the linesman had a clear view of it and he made the right decision. And if we are dissecting each and every detail, what about Milito's offside goal, and maybe you will say Milito was given offside when he was onside in the early parts of the first leg. Then I would like to add late in the first leg there was a definite man handling of Pique in the box which IMO was a penalty.
The side that went through deserved to go through.
 

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Motta wasn't really running though. If you see it again, they were jockeying for position. Motta near the line, with Sergi Busquets behind him. We're not going to agree on this - if we're giving bookings for that, then the game is soft. Sorry.

I'm not defending the disallowed goal. I don't think I've even mentioned it this evening. At the short distance it was at, I think it was probably on the harsh side.
Thank you. On the Motta incident we have to agree to disagree. I know Inter won't care about the red card now anyways so why should we. I am really happy for Inter, and Mourinho and hope they win the cup now.

The side that went through deserved to go through.
That is your opinion and I respect it.
 

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Well, if you're a soft twat, then I suppose that you may have been inclined to think that maybe it could have been a yellow. Even that would have been harsh. There was no violent intent from Motta. Anyone who has played football will have put their arm out like that to keep their man at arm's length.

Never in a million years was that worthy of any sort of card.

We need to get real man - you can't be giving yellow cards for that sort of thing.



You don't have to laud Mourinho - I'll admit that can be a little galling. But don't detract from the performance of the players.
You put your hand in your opponent's face and the least you'll get is a yellow card. Its not about being soft, its about not doing anything stupid and needless. It was at the very least a yellow. We didnt need the classless motions Busquets gave us because it was quite concrete without his rubbish. But the red was thoroughly well deserved whether there was a second flash of yellow right before the red or not.
 

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You put your hand in your opponent's face and the least you'll get is a yellow card. Its not about being soft, its about not doing anything stupid and needless. It was at the very least a yellow. We didnt need the classless motions Busquets gave us because it was quite concrete without his rubbish. But the red was thoroughly well deserved whether there was a second flash of yellow right before the red or not.
That's your opinion - fair enough. There's not really a great deal more mileage in the debate.
 

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You put your hand in your opponent's face and the least you'll get is a yellow card. Its not about being soft, its about not doing anything stupid and needless. It was at the very least a yellow. We didnt need the classless motions Busquets gave us because it was quite concrete without his rubbish. But the red was thoroughly well deserved whether there was a second flash of yellow right before the red or not.
Yes that is my opinion exactly. It was a definite yellow and Busquets clearly over reacted. But nonetheless definite yellow. You smack your opponent with your hand irrespective of the degree of harshness the action itself warrants a yellow.
 

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Yes that is my opinion exactly. It was a definite yellow and Busquets clearly over reacted. But nonetheless definite yellow. You smack your opponent with your hand irrespective of the degree of harshness the action itself warrants a yellow.
Was it a "smack" though - really?

Thought it was all much-ado about nothing to be honest.
 

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Meh, I'm largely ambivalent about it all, to be honest. I like Mourinho, but I do agree that the constant framing of everything from the British media as Mourinho vs whoever is more than a little embarrassing. The fact that they don't do the same for anyone else suggests that many in the British media have been seduced by something other than football. Even if you like him, as I do, you still have a duty to be objective in your reporting and your assessment of the game and his abilities, and the constant focus on one man is totally unprofessional, in my opinion.

I also love the way that Barca approach the game, but as someone who would usually rate them as probably the classiest club in world football, some of their antics were extremely classless.

As to the way in which Inter won the tie, there are several ways of looking at it. To remain (largely) consistent, while I don't like it when United approach games like that — which is very rarely, thankfully — I will usually accept it on the odd occasion if it gets us through an important game (like the Semi-Final against Barca). So, I can't then complain about another team doing it, unless I can show that it is somehow different.

On the other hand, I have to admit that the game would be incredibly dull if all teams approached games like that, whereas it wouldn't be if every team approached games like Barcelona. However, the fact that there is such a range of approaches is largely what makes the game so intriguing.

I do admit, though, that when lesser teams attempt to do that against United, it does annoy me, and I take more satisfaction from beating them. Whether you believe that some teams "have little choice" or not (which is almost always untrue, anyway), the game simply wouldn't be so popular if every team approached it in that way. That's undeniable, even if you also believe that the game benefits from a variety of approaches.
 

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feck 'em.

There's nothing remotely likeable about him or his players. I think you'll find the praise on here for Fergie in 2008 was coming mainly from United fans. What I can't understand is why this board is suddenly populated by closet Inter fans.

Barca acted like twats an' all tonight but the love-in for Mourinho (and Inter) on here is making my skin crawl. He's such an unlikeable dick.
Good lord Pogue.
First everyone that didnt support Barca was a closet Real and as a result a CR9 fan, now everyone that likes Mourinho as a manager is a closet Inter fan.

Are you slowly losing the plot completely?

I, and I assure you many others, do not support Real nor am I an Inter fan (actually I really dislike both clubs) but I still wanted Barca to fail, on the one hand because they have many many unlikealbe charakters in their squad and on the other hand because of the ongoing wankfest (at least in Austria) because of their "magical" football and Messi and Guardiola etc.

Furthermore I praise Mourinho for what he has achieved so far. Whether he is unlikealbe or not is a big matter of opinion. I for example like the way he treats the press, his players and the team and for me he would be the perfect SAF replacement.
 

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Meh, I'm largely ambivalent about it all, to be honest. I like Mourinho, but I do agree that the constant framing of everything from the British media as Mourinho vs whoever is more than a little embarrassing. The fact that they don't do the same for anyone else suggests that many in the British media have been seduced by something other than football. Even if you like him, as I do, you still have a duty to be objective in your reporting and your assessment of the game and his abilities, and the constant focus on one man is totally unprofessional, in my opinion.

I also love the way that Barca approach the game, but as someone who would usually rate them as probably the classiest club in world football, some of their antics were extremely classless.

As to the way in which Inter won the tie, there are several ways of looking at it. To remain (largely) consistent, while I don't like it when United approach games like that — which is very rarely, thankfully — I will usually accept it on the odd occasion if it gets us through an important game (like the Semi-Final against Barca). So, I can't then complain about another team doing it, unless I can show that it is somehow different.

On the other hand, I have to admit that the game would be incredibly dull if all teams approached games like that, whereas it wouldn't be if every team approached games like Barcelona. However, the fact that there is such a range of approaches is largely what makes the game so intriguing.

I do admit, though, that when lesser teams attempt to do that against United, it does annoy me, and I take more satisfaction from beating them. Whether you believe that some teams "have little choice" or not (which is almost always untrue, anyway), the game simply wouldn't be so popular if every team approached it in that way. That's undeniable, even if you also believe that the game benefits from a variety of approaches.
All well and good - but what were Inter's options this evening? Especially after the red card?
 

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I do admit, though, that when lesser teams attempt to do that against United, it does annoy me, and I take more satisfaction from beating them.
Same here.

I remember the game against Blackburn in 06-07, when we were 1-0 down for 60 minutes. Blackburn defended superbly that day, but we broke them down eventually. Scholes scored that impressive goal, before we routed them 4-1 at the end.
 

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Dunno about the Barca wankfest but sitting through 180 minutes of English commentators wanking over Mourinho has been fecking tough.

Seeing more of the same on here is depressing.
Glad I couldn't hear the commentators at the pub. Barca were terrible, it was like watching Arsenal. Except with more cheating.
Nothing wrong with giving credit where it's due. We all did the same in 2008.
Exactly. Mourinho more or less copied SAF's tactics. But that doesn't fit with the myth of JM being a tactical genius and SAF being tactically weak.
 

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Yes when your hand swings and the back of your palm hits a player on or near the face is called a smack.
There was no sudden, violent swing back, or anything like that. It was an extremely sedate backward movement of the arm. In no way did it constitute a smack.

Football is becoming a pussy's sport, unfortunately.
 

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football's future is really in trouble if there are actually fans in here who think Motta's foul was a deserved red....good lord!
 

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There was no sudden, violent swing back, or anything like that. It was an extremely sedate backward movement of the arm. In no way did it constitute a smack.

Football is becoming a pussy's sport, unfortunately.
Fortunately for me I enjoy pussy. :)
 

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mottas foul wasn't worth a red card, not even a yellow one, but from the angle the ref watched the theatrical dead of motta, the pain, the suffering, the bleeding and the reading of his will, the ref couldn't do anything else
 

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mottas foul wasn't worth a red card, not even a yellow one, but from the angle the ref watched the theatrical dead of motta, the pain, the suffering, the bleeding and the reading of his will, the ref couldn't do anything else
:lol:

He really is a shit stain is Busquets.