Class by Louis Van Gaal

[vuc]

The whole Balotelli fiasco can't have done much for team spirit I'd imagine, or Mourinho's constant criticisms of him. Add to that the fact that Mourinho has constantly slagged off Italian football at every given chance.

It's not as if you can measure something as subjective as this but from an outsider looking in I can't see how those conditions are conducive to creating good team spirit, let alone the best in Europe, apart from Bayern. Obviously success can create a cohesion within the squad but to say that they must have good team spirit because they are winning is a little too simplistic.

I wouldn't take Balotelli's outbursts seriously at all. He is not a star player for them, he may be in time but right now he doesn't feature regularly enough. You think the players care about Mourinho slagging off football? For all they know its just a media ploy, I think the fact that the players bleed and sweat for him as much as they did against Chelsea and Barcelona is testament to their faith in him.

Maybe, but its also a reason why they are winning. A good team spirit means a lot, theres no two ways about it. How do you think Turkey always seem to do well in Euro's and World Cup's? They haven't got the world class talent other nations do but the character and spirit of their team is equal to that in many ways.

 

[shaydun]

So have I. Although i hope they get smashed in the final this year.

Why would anyone want Inter to win?

Managed by Mourinho, racist, thuggish fans (Interista excluded), anti-football and a bunch of cheats in their team.

Bayern have their fair share of dicks in their team, but it's still considerably less than Inter. And they're a well run club and they have great fans.

In a perfect world, they'd both lose. But I don't see how anyone could take any joy from an Inter win in the CL final.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Why would anyone want Inter to win?

Managed by Mourinho, racist, thuggish fans (Interista excluded), anti-football and a bunch of cheats in their team.

Bayern have their fair share of dicks in their team, but it's still considerably less than Inter. And they're a well run club and they have great fans.

In a perfect world, they'd both lose. But I don't see how anyone could take any joy from an Inter win in the CL final.

You underestimate the (frankly bizarre) depth of feeling a section of redcafe have for their manager.

 

[shaydun]

You underestimate the (frankly bizarre) depth of feeling a section of redcafe have for their manager.

It is bizarre.

Acknowledging that Mourinho is a leading candidate for the future vacancy at OT is one thing, but feckin hell, actively supporting him and taking pleasure in his successes at other clubs is quite another.

Particularly when he has no connection with Utd at all.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It's hardly a 'love-in', just some people prefer Mourinho and admire what he's achieved in such a short amount of time (For example, he can equal Fergie's CL haul, despite still having 22 years on him, and both victories coming with smaller clubs who had been given no chance).

It being called a 'love-in' by the anti-Mourinho crowd is beyond boring.

Speaking of bizarre, I can't really let this comment slide.

Are there really Manchester United fans who actually want that to happen?

 

[vuc]

Pogue you're anti-Mourinho stance is just as bad as the pro-Mourinho IMO.

Mourinho will go down as one of the best managers ever, you might not like it but its hard not to see it happening. Why wouldn't people like this kind of manager? Its refreshing to see, you have to take his actions with a pinch of salt because you know that most of the time he is playing the fans and the media.

 

[VoetbalWizard]

Speaking of bizarre, I can't really let this comment slide.

Are there really Manchester United fans who actually want that to happen?

i haven't hid my wish for mourinho to take the reigns at OT for a short while after fergie leaves, giving time for ole or someone like him to get the experience to take over long term.

i don't want mourinho to win the CL per se, but i'd rather inter win than bayern in the grand scheme of things because in the overall european cup table, i'd rather have inter reach 3 than bayern reach 5. I have hopes to see united atleast end up 2nd or 3rd in the european cup table in my lifetime and it would be better for those under united to win a cup than those in front of united purely for this reason.

 

[Ramshock]

Ugh. The Mourinho love-in on redcafe continues.

Cringe.

You surprise me Pogue..he is the only man with big enough balls to replace Fergie. If and when Fergie retires and if United are in a position to chase Jose I can't see another candidate they would go after!

Id be interested to hear who your candidate would be!

And are your reservations about Jose simply down to his time at the Chavs or his general personality or coaching ability?

 

[esmufc07]

Speaking of bizarre, I can't really let this comment slide.

Are there really Manchester United fans who actually want that to happen?

It's not a case of wanting it to happen but realising that is most probably what is going to happen and coming to the conclusion that Mourinho is a fecking good manager who'd do well at our club.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I dislike him because of his narcissism, his classless antics on the touchline and his tenure at Chelsea. He's an easy man to dislike.

I don't see why we all have to root for people who happen to be very good at their job. All the more so when their only connection with United is as rivals. Drogba, Gerrard and Fabregas are all cracking players but I'd be delighted if they never win another game.

 

[esmufc07]

I dislike him because of his narcissism, his classless antics on the touchline and his tenure at Chelsea. He's an easy man to dislike.

I don't see why we all have to root for people who happen to be very good at their job. All the more so when their only connection with United is as rivals. Drogba, Gerrard and Fabregas are all cracking players but I'd be delighted if they never win another game.

Would you rather he berated the 4th official for pretty much the entire game instead?

 

[Youngie]

There must've been some severely disappointed Jose 'Fan Boys' on here last season when Fergie totally out-thought the so called 'special one' in both knock out legs!

....and 'Flying Gay Potato', I'm still waiting!!

 

[Ramshock]

I dislike him because of his narcissism, his classless antics on the touchline and his tenure at Chelsea. He's an easy man to dislike.

I don't see why we all have to root for people who happen to be very good at their job. All the more so when their only connection with United is as rivals. Drogba, Gerrard and Fabregas are all cracking players but I'd be delighted if they never win another game.

Fergie can be accused of all those things in fairness Pogues..except maybe narcissism. You definitely have the red glasses on mate. I think you would forgive his personality traits if he has us 12 points ahead in the league by the end of April and into the final of the CL! I know it wouldnt bother me much

 

[Ramshock]

There must've been some severely disappointed Jose 'Fan Boys' on here last season when Fergie totally out-thought theso called 'special one' in both knock out legs!

....and 'Flying Gay Potato', I'm still waiting!!

We did have a much better team last year than they did, minus Ronaldo for us and plus a load of better players for them have made the difference this time around!

 

[vuc]

We did have a much better team last year than they did, minus Ronaldo for us and plus a load of better players for them have made the difference this time around!

It's clear his Inter team have progressed a lot. Just look at the difference in the team's play from early on in the group stages of the CL to now.

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

Only on the Caf can a thread about a drunken buffoon be turned into a Mourinho love in.

 

[IhabX7]

I can't see that Hitler video in Israel, can anyone show me how to bypass this restriction?

 

[Raees]

I thought that was hilarous... cringe worthy stuff from van gaal but who can blame him, quality manager who hasn't had success in quite some time.

Wish him and Mourinho both well.

 

[esmufc07]

Mourinho also often gets criticised for running down the touchline in 2004 (I think there's nothing wrong with it, personally), whereas Guardiola gets portrayed as a very humble manager, who would never dream of doing such a thing.

 

[Raees]

hot hot

 

[I_live_cement]

I thought that was hilarous... cringe worthy stuff from van gaal but who can blame him, quality manager who hasn't had success in quite some time.

He did win the Eredivisie with AZ just last season...

In fact, he's won a league title with every club he's managed. His only failure was not to qualify for the World cup with the Netherlands in '02.

 

[United87]

hot hot

You bender.

feck Fergie I say, no room for loyalty in football these days. 24 years is enough.

 

[Youngie]

Guardiola's team generally play glorious attractive football and still get results ... um.. Mourinho's get results.
But Jose does have a better running style.

 

[Raees]

He did win the Eredivisie with AZ just last season...

In fact, he's won a league title with every club he's managed. His only failure was not to qualify for the World cup with the Netherlands in '02.

Bundesliga no offence is more special than the Eredivisie with AZ Aalkmaar... also the added excitement with reaching the European Cup final, it truly marks a return to the big time for him and a successful one in that.. for now..

 

[shaydun]

Fergie can be accused of all those things in fairness Pogues..except maybe narcissism. You definitely have the red glasses on mate. I think you would forgive his personality traits if he has us 12 points ahead in the league by the end of April and into the final of the CL! I know it wouldnt bother me much

I could forgive him his ridiculous antics and his Chelsea tenure.
But it would be difficult to tolerate the narcissism- trying to make everything about Jose.
Also, the cynicism of his teams is unbearable. If he eased off on buying cheats and promoting a culture of cheating, I'd just about be ok with him.

 

[VP]

Mourinho also often gets criticised for running down the touchline in 2004 (I think there's nothing wrong with it, personally), whereas Guardiola gets portrayed as a very humble manager, who would never dream of doing such a thing.

If you can't see that Guardiola is a far nicer, humbler bloke than Mourinho then you're beyond help.

Stick to posting about Jack Bauer.

 

[esmufc07]

If you can't see that Guardiola is a far nicer, humbler bloke than Mourinho then you're beyond help.

Stick to posting about Jack Bauer.

The point was, as soon as Mourinho did that against us, he was lambasted by most people. Guardiola does it and not a word is said. Pogue mentioned his touchline antics, and I was just showing that Guardiola has done the exact same thing. I love to see that passion from a manager though, so I'm not even criticising Pep.

 

[Raoul]

This thread has veered off course enough. Lets stick to the original topic, namely the similarities between Van Gaal and Hitler.

 

[VP]

The point was, as soon as Mourinho did that against us, he was lambasted by most people. Guardiola does it and not a word is said. Pogue mentioned his touchline antics, and I was just showing that Guardiola has done the exact same thing. I love to see that passion from a manager though, so I'm not even criticising Pep.

Yeah don't mind the manager celebrating either at all. Much better than the Rafa reaction of doing nothing. But you have to say Mourinho overdoes it, a knee slide FFS? Almost as if he personally scored.

Also at full time at OT in 2003, he ran down the touchline and into the tunnel pointing to himself as soon as the whistle blew, IIRC. Think thats what people lambast him for.

 

[VoetbalWizard]

This thread has veered off course enough. Lets stick to the original topic, namely the similarities between Van Gaal and Hitler.

ironic thing being that van gaal is dutch.

 

[Ramshock]

This thread has veered off course enough. Lets stick to the original topic, namely the similarities between Van Gaal and Hitler.

I thought Obama was Hitler? I heard it on radio and certain cable news channels over here so it must be true!!

 

[esmufc07]

Yeah don't mind the manager celebrating either at all. Much better than the Rafa reaction of doing nothing. But you have to say Mourinho overdoes it, a knee slide FFS? Almost as if he personally scored.

Also at full time at OT in 2003, he ran down the touchline and into the tunnel pointing to himself as soon as the whistle blew, IIRC. Think thats what people lambast him for.

Hmm, I don't remember that. Immediately after the match I remember Mourinho going to shake Ferguson's hand and Fergie refusing it.

 

[esmufc07]

Or was that the first leg? I'm not sure.

 

[Renfurm]

Typican Van Gaal really. He celebrated his previous title wins with Ajax, Barcelona and AZ in similair style.

There were some really uncomfortable looks on the faces of the people behind him in Munchen.

 

[phelans shorts]

Guardiola's team generally play glorious attractive football and still get results ... um.. Mourinho's get results.
But Jose does have a better running style.

How can you generalise in 2 years in 1 job with a vast majority of players being there before him?

 

[Youngie]

How can you generalise in 2 years in 1 job with a vast majority of players being there before him?

Do you mean Jose or Pep?

 

[phelans shorts]

Do you mean Jose or Pep?

Pep.

 

[Raoul]

I can't see that Hitler video in Israel, can anyone show me how to bypass this restriction?

Hitler is banned in Israel ? It's not like his speeches are going to convert anyone.

The Hitler video posted earlier in the thread is basically one of his stock speeches where he's whipping the masses into a fervor.

 

[esmufc07]

Hitler is banned in Israel ? It's not like his speeches are going to convert anyone.

 

[CLK_FPC]

Any speech like that in German just makes me think of Hitler.

Class though.

Mad ignorant but it's true