yes because while norwood produced moments of quality, so do a lot of the kids. Its strange
United consider putting youngsters on loan
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'Relying on hope' is an odd thing to think, isn't it?
It's not a case of 'relying' - a club of our resources will always bring in players if the young players don't make it. I for one certainly do hope the young players come through, and it's all about giving them games.
I think if the coaches had your attitude, plenty of our current players wouldn't be at the club - Gary Neville, Darren Fletcher, John O'Shea.
It's not a case of 'relying' - a club of our resources will always bring in players if the young players don't make it. I for one certainly do hope the young players come through, and it's all about giving them games.
I think if the coaches had your attitude, plenty of our current players wouldn't be at the club - Gary Neville, Darren Fletcher, John O'Shea.
That's how I interpreted it as well.
On a side note, it would be good if both were to go on loan to the same club.
He's right too. We can play much younger players in the reserves. Welbeck, Diouf, Macheda, Cleverley, Macheda, Gibson, De Laet, Fabio etc. are too good for this level now.
I only started watching the reserves consistently at around December. Norwood passes the ball better than anyone. Did you see his pass for Ajose's goal vs Dunfermiline. He is a highly creative player and all he needs to do is develop physically. He keeps the ball better than everyone too and also his set pieces are as good as I've seen.
I am unsure about the last comment. Neville is as good a technical RB as you can find so I am very doubtful if I would have given up on him. Fletcher is also technically very good - sometimes people find this hard to believe - and a run in the centre combined with physical development was achievable for him. O'Shea is a decent athlete, and versatile. I would have may have let him go, but I am unsure. I would never say he has been a key player for us.
'United moved out and when captain Magnus Eikrem lofted a ball from the centre circle up the right, AJOSE ran on and scooped the ball over the advancing keeper from an angle 20 yards out.'
I am convinced this was Norwood. I shall watch the video again. The way it was struck, seemed like Norwood.
Please let this be true.
Yes it was Eikrem - I look like a bit of an idiot now.
But Eikrem is also a player I like.
But Eikrem is also a player I like.
Now?
don't worry we all sound like a tosser at some stage
BUT if you've only watched since december - you're in for some fun anyway as while Norwood is talented, he's not even close to being our most talented youth currently for me anywayIt's all opinions ofcourse but in terms of the reserves we still have to see the best of Norwood. Eikrem's really promising and a set piece expert too. However King, keane, Morrison, Tunnicliffe, Pogba ...well there's quite a few. Morrison can be top drawer if he matures right. He's so good I can't believe the kids English!
No surprise though.
Eikrem is a better passer than Norwood, for sure. Both have a good free kick on them.
Yeah, those seem like the stand-out attacking players. Petrucci, too, before the injury. And James is very promising.don't worry we all sound like a tosser at some stage
It's all opinions ofcourse but in terms of the reserves we still have to see the best of Norwood. Eikrem's really promising and a set piece expert too. However King, keane, Morrison, Tunnicliffe, Pogba ...well there's quite a few. Morrison can be top drawer if he matures right. He's so good I can't believe the kids English!
Thorpe and Reece Brown are looking good too.
i thought your wife was a madrista thru and thru?
Norwood's passing is good, mind you. But he's the type of player who will try a lot of big passes in a game, and a lot will go astray. Not a problem at this stage, as long as he keeps developing.
Ok, I better leave this thread.
Eikrem, I have not seen play in a match, only highlights I think or spells. He seemed to be injured for the times I have been watching the reserves consistently - December onwards.
I would say Norwood is a better passer than Eikrem though.
The comment that I said Eikrem has no chance. I am trying to think why I said this. I have slight memory of thinking that he was physically very weak, and technically, good but not great.
Eikrem, I have not seen play in a match, only highlights I think or spells. He seemed to be injured for the times I have been watching the reserves consistently - December onwards.
I would say Norwood is a better passer than Eikrem though.
The comment that I said Eikrem has no chance. I am trying to think why I said this. I have slight memory of thinking that he was physically very weak, and technically, good but not great.
Scholesy on top form. Brilliant stuff.
Thorpe I rate extremely highly. He looks a complete defender.
Not at the moment - no chance. Eikrem has a more rounded passing game.
He does - again, he stands out at his level.
I think it's going to be a big season for Norwood. He is going to be one of the 'senior' players in the reserves (especially if Possebon leaves) and he really needs to impose himself in games like he did at Academy level.
Since when?We have a lot of promising central midfielders. It would actually be good if a couple went on loan to give others a chance at the right level.
I would like to see Eikrem get a loan spell in the Champo.
I would like to see Eikrem get a loan spell in the Champo.
True. He is very Beckham like IMO.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Cleverley go out on loan to a team like Newcastle/Bolton/whoever, being an important player for them, and then end up staying there permanently. A bit like Guthrie for Liverpool, went to Newcastle and then eventually stayed for games. I think the one thing he has in his locker that will be of great benefit in getting games here is his versatility, as it's always been an asset we've valued in the younger players and Sir Alex has even went to point that out. He's obviously quite talented too, but I don't think he'd be making this team on talent alone so his versatility will serve him well.
I just think that with Anderson already here and performing a similar role in the middle to what we'd expect of Cleverley, and then us having a reasonably well stocked wingers group, I think he'll have a tough time of breaking into it and have to show a commendable level of patience - but if he does have that kind of character, then he'll have a good chance of a very good career with us I think. I know that the most important factor above all in a young player breaking through is timing, and taking that into consideration you look at the players that he might be coming in to replace in the near future:
Park - Very similar in style, and if Cleverly was willing to be as loyal and play a similar role in the team then maybe there's a place in the squad for him there...but he's only just signed a contract extension to keep him at the club until 2012, and seems happy at the club so I can't see us selling him, so it'll require a lot of patience from Cleverley. If he is willing to wait that long then he'll be a great asset, and I'll be proved wrong to a huge degree.
Giggs - Plays either a slightly withdrawn wing-role, or as a dribbling, creative playmaker through the middle, there's again a lot of similarities you can draw between the two players and it does show there's a role in the team for him. Again though, you can see Giggsy going on for two years so it'll require patience, and then you ask the question about whether Giggsy's positional successor is already in the squad in Nani and so that leaves Cleverley back on the bench a lot of the time to compete with Obertan.
The way I see it is in two years we'll probably have lost Giggsy, Scholesy, Park(31 - back to Asia?) and Hargreaves from the midfield. That'll leave us with a midfield of Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson and possibly Gibson from the current team, so there is a space or two for Cleverley, but whether he'll be able to convince enough to stop the (new?) manager from instead buying a new top-level midfielder in the team from now until then is where I'm unsure and not all that confident about.
Obviously this is looking too far into the future, and is very presumptuous about his character and the managerial decisions (to start with), and I don't expect(or even want) many to agree with this...but I'll be very surprised to see Cleverley make it. He's good, you could argue better than Gibson even, but I think that he's got less of a chance of making it due to the balance of the squad roles and his own ambition to be a big part of a team, which he's certainly good enough to do at another good team.
I just think that with Anderson already here and performing a similar role in the middle to what we'd expect of Cleverley, and then us having a reasonably well stocked wingers group, I think he'll have a tough time of breaking into it and have to show a commendable level of patience - but if he does have that kind of character, then he'll have a good chance of a very good career with us I think. I know that the most important factor above all in a young player breaking through is timing, and taking that into consideration you look at the players that he might be coming in to replace in the near future:
Park - Very similar in style, and if Cleverly was willing to be as loyal and play a similar role in the team then maybe there's a place in the squad for him there...but he's only just signed a contract extension to keep him at the club until 2012, and seems happy at the club so I can't see us selling him, so it'll require a lot of patience from Cleverley. If he is willing to wait that long then he'll be a great asset, and I'll be proved wrong to a huge degree.
Giggs - Plays either a slightly withdrawn wing-role, or as a dribbling, creative playmaker through the middle, there's again a lot of similarities you can draw between the two players and it does show there's a role in the team for him. Again though, you can see Giggsy going on for two years so it'll require patience, and then you ask the question about whether Giggsy's positional successor is already in the squad in Nani and so that leaves Cleverley back on the bench a lot of the time to compete with Obertan.
The way I see it is in two years we'll probably have lost Giggsy, Scholesy, Park(31 - back to Asia?) and Hargreaves from the midfield. That'll leave us with a midfield of Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson and possibly Gibson from the current team, so there is a space or two for Cleverley, but whether he'll be able to convince enough to stop the (new?) manager from instead buying a new top-level midfielder in the team from now until then is where I'm unsure and not all that confident about.
Obviously this is looking too far into the future, and is very presumptuous about his character and the managerial decisions (to start with), and I don't expect(or even want) many to agree with this...but I'll be very surprised to see Cleverley make it. He's good, you could argue better than Gibson even, but I think that he's got less of a chance of making it due to the balance of the squad roles and his own ambition to be a big part of a team, which he's certainly good enough to do at another good team.
He's signed pro terms today according to Ben Hibbs.
IMO macheda has the biggest bollocks out all our strikers bar rooney. a proper cock of a striker that lad. no fear. Have big hopes for welbeck but i really want macheda to make it with us.
If they could get games, I'd love to see Welbeck and Cleverly go on loan. They are both pretty far down in the pecking order and would be restricted to cup games.
I think De Laet would be another who would benefit from a loan
Maybe Macheda is young enough that he could remain in the reserves for another year without feeling like he needed to leave the club.
I think it's going to be Hernandez who will feature coming off the bench with Owen this season.
Loaning players out is for their own good and that of the club. Some like Evans return, but others like Rossi or Kieran Richardson can be sold for a higher transfer fee after showing what they can offer. Money from those sales can help finance buying the right player, or bringing in other young talents for the future. It is to the advantage of both the club and the player that they develop their abilities rather than just sit on the bench. Michael Owen or Berbatov on the other hand are not as likely to improve their abilities or their market value by going out on loan, as they are already the finished article.
I think it's going to be Hernandez who will feature coming off the bench with Owen this season.
Loaning players out is for their own good and that of the club. Some like Evans return, but others like Rossi or Kieran Richardson can be sold for a higher transfer fee after showing what they can offer. Money from those sales can help finance buying the right player, or bringing in other young talents for the future. It is to the advantage of both the club and the player that they develop their abilities rather than just sit on the bench. Michael Owen or Berbatov on the other hand are not as likely to improve their abilities or their market value by going out on loan, as they are already the finished article.
I'd love to see Macheda on loan, even if its at a championship club. A season scoring goals, and tearing up defences down there would do his game a power of good. I'd love to see him back with us in a seasons time with 10-15 goals in 1 season under his belt.
The boost to his game and the confidence and knowledge that would bring would be great for his progress here.
The boost to his game and the confidence and knowledge that would bring would be great for his progress here.
Not a chance in hell of that Im afraid.
I reckon you have seen all of Norwoods standout moments and assume hes the most talented. Yet the posters who have seen them both consistantly all say different. can you see a pattern emerging?
Being reported in the North East that Newcastle are close to securing a season long loan for Cleverley. Would agree with the above, wouldn't surprise me at all if he ended up moving permanently and joining Simpson at St. James'
Norwood is great if he has time to pick his passes. Eikrem on the other hand is much better than Norwood when pressured. Freekick wise they're probably on par, but Norwood whips in a better corner.
Watched the Philly game finally and Welbeck I thought played quite well. Wherever he does go on loan he needs to get a regular run of games. Knee-jerk sure game but, he just seems ready to take the next step up.
Cleverly - thought did okay and certainly can see him playing for a mid-tier PL team and helping them. Not sure he is really ready for games at United other than maybe here and there from the bench.
Macheda on other hand - not sure if it is games he needs to just more time training. Put it to a one-off but, was a very poor game for him, poor touch and just lack of involvement.
Cleverly - thought did okay and certainly can see him playing for a mid-tier PL team and helping them. Not sure he is really ready for games at United other than maybe here and there from the bench.
Macheda on other hand - not sure if it is games he needs to just more time training. Put it to a one-off but, was a very poor game for him, poor touch and just lack of involvement.
Completely agreed.
He has that knack of scoring in important games and situations. He certainly has a star quality in my opinion. Think that is why Fergie likes him so much.
Both Welbeck and Cleverley need loans to PL clubs. Both did well in the championship last season and need to prove if they can do it at a higher level.
If they go out somewhere and don't get enough games it probably means they are not good enough to make it at United. Fairly simplistic view I know, but if they are not good elsewhere are they going to be good enough for us?.
If they go out somewhere and don't get enough games it probably means they are not good enough to make it at United. Fairly simplistic view I know, but if they are not good elsewhere are they going to be good enough for us?.
*cough* Giuseppe Rossi *cough*
For the most part what he said is true. Most managers aren't going to just sit players that would help the team.
But, if Welbeck and Cleverly can't get regular games at a mid-level club then very likely they'll be good enough to get games at United.