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I admit I did a little jump of joy when i heard.

I never slagged Wayne off because it was hard to believe there wasn't more to this beneath the surface. It was always conceivably a stage of negotiating process magnified and distorted tenfold because of WHO the player is. However, it's unfortunate that this all took place so publicly and Rooney (and his agents) still jeopardised his United career and reputation for nothing.

SAF's words throughout were inspiring and remind us what a great club this is not to be taken for granted. We move on.
 

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They'll write books about this week in future

How not to handle a contract negotiation

Sure he's probably got good terms, would he have been granted significantly lesser terms anyway? Now he's fecked his relationship with the fans...

Was it worth it Wayne, really?
 

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Considering there is no way any of you could have even half a clue about what was going on in Rooney's head you sure seem to have it all figured out...
 

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We did, in 1995.
FIFA WORLDS BEST PLAYERS 1995

1. George Weah
2. Paolo Maldini
3. Jürgen Klinsmann
4. Romário
5. Roberto Baggio
6. Michael Laudrup
7. Iván Zamoran0
8. Juninho Paulista
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10. Hristo Stoichkov
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Shit sorry that must be the year i spent in a coma!
 

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Both with far more legitimate reasons than Rooney. With neither having ever won the Premier League, let alone three and a runners up spot on the bounce.

Both (and Torres) have shown far more perspective and loyalty to their clubs, managers and fans than Rooney

:smileysmileynonsense:
Gerrard practically had is Chelsea shirt on and Fabregas actually wore the Barca shirt...
 

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Exactly.

I cannot believe that United are going to change their transfer strategy just because Wayne Rooney throws a tantrum. Either we believe that the club can develop a decent percentage of these highly talented youngsters into top quality players or it doesn't. Right now I'd say our success rate looks good enough to continue with the strategy and I'm hoping that we at least give these younger players a chance to demonstrate what they can do.
 

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Not sure you can put Gerrard in that category.

His u-turn is no different to what Rooney has done. If anything it was worse because he handed in a transfer request whereas Rooney simply said "I wont be renewing my current contract"
Possibly, but at least if Gerrard had released that statement it would've had an ounce of credibility, what with him not just off the back of such a run of success.
 

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They'll write books about this week in future

How not to handle a contract negotiation

Sure he's probably got good terms, would he have been granted significantly lesser terms anyway? Now he's fecked his relationship with the fans...

Was it worth it Wayne, really?
The funny thing is that remember SAF said he never even looked at the terms, and they were always prepared to make him the highest paid player in England or at United.

Who is to say he didn't basically cave completely and sign the deal that was already on offer from the summer, having seen his endorsement potential go down the shitter, and the huge media and public reaction to his selfishness?

That is what I think happened, not some big negotiation. I think he signed the effing deal.
 

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The best thing to come out of all this today? forget Rooney it was Fergie smiling again thats made my day, felt so sorry for the man the other day, he looked a broken man and obviously felt betrayed by a young boy hes put years of energy into getting the best out of.

A man thats given so much for this club didnt deserve the events of the past week and it for me was great to see him back to his old self.
 

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I was just covering the 5 year argument, like I said its only the last 18 months from a purely playing point of view investment has appeared to be lacking, when we have an attack of Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo and Berbatov you would be an idiot to come out and say we lack investment/ambition but Rooney, Berbatov, Owen, Hernandez doesn't have the same effect. Same could be said of midfield three years ago where well stocked now not so much, with lack of form injuries etc.
I see where you are coming from. I misread what you had posted.

What many people do seem to forget is that most of our most influential players were there prior to 2005.

Rio, Giggs, Scholes, Rooney, Ronaldo, Neville, Fletcher, O Shea

Vidic and Evra were already coming to United anyway, so I suppose you can add them in too.

Its not just about how much is spent, its about what has been bought with it, and in some cases the money we've spent hasn't been backed up with the quality of player we would expect.

The team isnt as strong as it possibly could be. Is that a lack of money, or is it we've bought players that really are not up to the grade ? Thats where people differ.

When you see what Liverpool paid for Torres, and Spurs paid for Van de Vaart, then compare them to what we got in comparison ( Berbatov and Bebe ) then you have to ask the question if the right choices are being made.

On face value, we've spent money. Look beneath the surface and its not as much as people think, and when we have spent I would argue that what we've got in return isnt worth what we've paid for them.
 

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When did i say that? I said that by rights, i.e the fact that we're amongst the biggest and richest football clubs in the world, we should be continuing to attract the best players and competing at the highest level and that at the moment there's a danger we might be falling behind.
So because everyones spending and attracting top players we can't or maybe the answer is we won't. A danger of fallng behind ? Next you'll you'll be saying Shevchenko won the treble for Chelsea in 06. I understand what you're saying but you sound insecure about our team. I'm not deluded I know our weaknesses and faults but we have a very good team full of youthful talant and improving players combined with experience. I don't see why we can't win a trophy. Even if we don't win one for 5 years so what.
 

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What the fecking feck!

I've only just heard the news. What the feck was he playing at? He's had a nice little pay rise, I suppose. :rolleyes:.
 

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He needs to prove he's worth all this shit caused by his good self this week. If he can do that, I have no other problem with him other then him sulking, not doing what he's supposed to do etc etc he should feck right off. Honestly, I dont think he'll be able to prove too much during this season
 

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They still have quality strength in depth. They also haven't lost the best player in the world for £80m and saw none of it properly invested in world-class replacements. Don't be a pedant.
They have three good centre backs, they have four good central midfielders (if Ramires is good) and they always use three. How is that strength in depth?
 

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Possibly, but at least if Gerrard had released that statement it would've had an ounce of credibility, what with him not just off the back of such a run of success.
With all due respect, Liverpool had just won the CL when Gerrard handed in his request. Who can forget him standing in the Ataturk stadium, and when asked if he was considering leaving, him reply "who could possibly want to leave this" only to hand in a transfer request less than 8 weeks later.

Not wanting to defend Rooney, because I dont, but we as supporters are asking pretty much the same questions as the ones ROoney is supposed to have asked.

Despite the close finish last season, many fans believe we are lighter than we've been for a long time, and in many cases I think there is a right to be concerned. The team doesnt look as good as it has been, and given the revenues coming in, its not as good as the money suggests it should be.

The main reason you can compare the two cases though, is the fact that theres a club wielding the chequebook around.

They both had their vision blinded by a team offering more money. They both then used the blackmail tactic to force their respective clubs to act, and act they did. Giving the players big wage rises.

The two are just two sides of the same coin.

And being honest, the reason Gerrard hasnt handed in a request lately I suspect is because everyone can see that he's getting on now and past his best days. No one would offer him £200k a week. Never in a million years.
 

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And how does that help the debt?

On the one hand you (and me) are lambasting the Glazers for taking money out of the club and putting it in a bad financial position...and on the other, you're bemoaning us not splashing loads of cash on someone!!.. It's a completely contradictory argument!

I want what's best for this club, as I'm sure do you. Being frugal in our current situation is what is best. You can moan and bleat about what the Glazers have done all you like, but we are still in debt, and even getting rid of them won't guarantee getting rid of it. So splashing the money around helps what exactly? Not the debt at any rate. It just helps some short sighted fans who aren't satisfied with all they've been lucky enough to witness over the last few years....And possibly the kind of mug who wants to actually bankrupt the club in order to force the Glazers out...but then again that mug wouldn't mind seeing us slip down in statue and quality either to achieve that goal.

Yes we'd all like to win the League every year, but we can't (and it would actually become pretty hollow if we did) and we've got to do what's best in the circumstances. We're not exactly in Liverpool's situation are we? We're still doing pretty well...The dual front of "We hate you Glazers/Spend more money" is the least helpful thing possible surely!
Agreed. But the second we stop questioning the movements and motives of the owners is when we give up in my opinion. They shouldn't be in charge of the club if they aren't willing to invest heavily in it's continued competitiveness in every aspect (both financial and on-field).

I'm assuming here that the reason we haven't invested in the best players over the past couple of years is that the Glazers aren't allowing us to have the required funds (or that paying back the debts means that this is unjustifiable). But i don't think this is a massive assumption, certainly no bigger than the masses of people ASSUMING that Rooneys sole motivation was to seek more money.

I assure you i don't want to see us throwing millions at big-name players for the sake of it. But in my opinion there have been some potential signings starting us in the face in recent years who we've failed bring to the club. This for me is down to not having the money to do it, and i think Fergies ' No value ' lingo is a smoke-screen.

I accept that we cannot win the league every year. Nor do i expect us to. But i do expect us to use our pulling power to the best of our ability and at the moment the club is slowly losing it's pulling power and fear-factor. (again, just my opinion). We're not in Liverpool's position yet, no, but that doesn't mean we should all be sitting back hoping everything's okay until we find ourselves in a similar one.

But how fecking spoiled are people (Rooney included) that not being the very top team in the country undebateably for little over 7 months is such a horrible thing we have to start throwing our toys out of the pram ...It's fecking childish, and spoiled. Get a grip.

I'd rather we didn't spend loads of money just to please the impatient knee-jerks and spend some time actually developing some young players...There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. If they aren't good enough, so be it, we'll try and find some more, and then splash when a good deal comes along...you know what? I can actually cope with us not winning the League for a season.

You can't live in dual worlds where you blame the Glazers for getting us into debt and then demand they start spending money. That doesn't make any sense!!

IF Rooney's statement was truthful, then he's just a spastic and an ungrateful, disloyal mug who after one season of not dominating Europe and the World decides he's packing off whilst the Torres'/Gerrard's and Fabregas' look on enviously at him and his trophy hall.

I don't expect us to win the treble every year but when the money's their to invest and we don't, it starts to become a concern.

I blame the Glazers for most of our current problems. As a club we create enough revenue and have enough pulling power to be constantly competing for honours yet we find ourselves paying more than ever for tickets, paying a ludicrous ACS, arguing amongst ourselves as supporters, battling to keep hold of our best players and (personally) feeling more and more distant from the club i've grown up supporting. If the Glazers were helping us is any way i wouldn't dare have any complaints about their ownership but the fact is we could do it a lot better on our own or we could find someone who would give us a much fairer deal.

I disagree with you about the statement. He was mad to release his intentions to the press, but i stand by my argument that he was justified in his worries for the clubs future. I like to feel that he, like me, is worried about the Glazers lack of investment and therefore worried about the continued quality of our squad. Which he was entitled to do.
 

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You would if the club said they'd let you go to City where you wanted to go, but only if you sign the contract and get some extra pocket money each week until the summer.

You'd sign that contract in a heartbeat.
You are talking bollocks with your theory he has signed a 5 year deal to be sold in the summer.

Give it a rest. Rooney would profit more by letting his contract run down or leaving in January. The less a club pays for a player, the larger the signing on fee.
 

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Because, Fred, he has spoken to Gill, Fergie and the Glazers and he has been given re-assurances that the future is bright and he is an integral part of that future. Why is that so difficult to accept? Because it doesn't fit in with your own warped sense of reality?

What is so difficult to accept about the fact that Manchester United are going to keep their best players if they can and are going to keep on developing youth and are going to keep on spending money when spending money is the prudent thing to do?

It may well be that he saw last Summer's transfer activity and thought "OK, Ronnie's gone, fair enough, we all knew he wanted to go. Tevez has gone, fair enough. Valencia in, Owen in, fair enough. Let's see how it goes."

Then last season he has a cracking season until his injury and then he sits through the summer, like we all did awaiting the big midfield signing or whatever... and it didn't come. We, instead, bought a bunch of youngsters with "potential" and he perhaps thought, "What the feck?"

But Fergie has explained the situation to him, as he did with us in that Press Conference the other night. The Glazers and Gill have explained the financial situation in a little more detail to him than the doom & gloom shit that he might have been reading in the press and he's signed because whatever he was told, made absolute sense.
At last, someone who agrees with me :)
 

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People talk like we planned on Hargreaves reaching permacrock status or Carrick losing the edge that had us viewing him as a major player, or even Anderson not quite coming on as fast as we'd hoped.

To buy people who have to be first team starters (because of their price and because they aren't prepared to be benchwarmers) on the basis that your first team players are going to fail is a recipe for a disaster of Real Madrid proportions.

We've bought prospects and we've bought to offer options in the past 5 years - if we need to buy an automatic first choice starter they're few and far between (ask Tevez, Kaka, Benzema, Robinho, Zlatan etc how hard it is to get that status at a big club) and, like Rooney, they don't always respond the way you want when you offer them a job.
 

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The best thing to come out of all this today? forget Rooney it was Fergie smiling again thats made my day, felt so sorry for the man the other day, he looked a broken man and obviously felt betrayed by a young boy hes put years of energy into getting the best out of.

A man thats given so much for this club didnt deserve the events of the past week and it for me was great to see him back to his old self.
i thought that when i watched it, but i can't help thinking fergie played to the theatre that day ( and well done for that, what a performance )
 

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I said a lot of nasty things...and this is no doubt good news.

But I'm having a hard time say sorry before we hear more about what's happened here.

Was it just a negotiating tactics? What's suddenly changed?
 

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Agreed. But the second we stop questioning the movements and motives of the owners is when we give up in my opinion. They shouldn't be in charge of the club if they aren't willing to invest heavily in it's continued competitiveness in every aspect (both financial and on-field).

I'm assuming here that the reason we haven't invested in the best players over the past couple of years is that the Glazers aren't allowing us to have the required funds (or that paying back the debts means that this is unjustifiable). But i don't think this is a massive assumption, certainly no bigger than the masses of people ASSUMING that Rooneys sole motivation was to seek more money.

I assure you i don't want to see us throwing millions at big-name players for the sake of it. But in my opinion there have been some potential signings starting us in the face in recent years who we've failed bring to the club. This for me is down to not having the money to do it, and i think Fergies ' No value ' lingo is a smoke-screen.

I accept that we cannot win the league every year. Nor do i expect us to. But i do expect us to use our pulling power to the best of our ability and at the moment the club is slowly losing it's pulling power and fear-factor. (again, just my opinion). We're not in Liverpool's position yet, no, but that doesn't mean we should all be sitting back hoping everything's okay until we find ourselves in a similar one.




I don't expect us to win the treble every year but when the money's their to invest and we don't, it starts to become a concern.

I blame the Glazers for most of our current problems. As a club we create enough revenue and have enough pulling power to be constantly competing for honours yet we find ourselves paying more than ever for tickets, paying a ludicrous ACS, arguing amongst ourselves as supporters, battling to keep hold of our best players and (personally) feeling more and more distant from the club i've grown up supporting. If the Glazers were helping us is any way i wouldn't dare have any complaints about their ownership but the fact is we could do it a lot better on our own or we could find someone who would give us a much fairer deal.

I disagree with you about the statement. He was mad to release his intentions to the press, but i stand by my argument that he was justified in his worries for the clubs future. I like to feel that he, like me, is worried about the Glazers lack of investment and therefore worried about the continued quality of our squad. Which he was entitled to do.
...and as a result suddenly be perfectly happy now he's had his wages nearly doubled.
 

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FIFA WORLDS BEST PLAYERS 1995

1. George Weah
2. Paolo Maldini
3. Jürgen Klinsmann
4. Romário
5. Roberto Baggio
6. Michael Laudrup
7. Iván Zamoran0
8. Juninho Paulista
9. Matthias Sammer
10. Hristo Stoichkov
11. Gianfranco Zola

Shit sorry that must be the year i spent in a coma!
That was the year the last home-grown world class players came into our squad, you complete and utter bell-end. Think about it.

"Their triumph was made all the more remarkable by the fact that Alex Ferguson had sold experienced players Paul Ince, Mark Hughes and Andrei Kanchelskis before the start of the season, and not made any major signings. Instead, he had drafted in young players like Nicky Butt, David Beckham, Paul Scholes and the Neville brothers, Gary and Phil."

1995
 

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All the moral issues aside.
This is good for the club. Wayne is a great player to have at the club. If he's back to his beat, we can win the 19th this season. What's for sure though, is that saf won't favor him anymore if he's out if form. I expect him to be dropped till he regain his form. Expect to see a lot of the other strikers.
 

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Just got in and heard the news.

For some reason I feel hollow - don't even feel the slightest bit of excitement about this whatsoever
 

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That is what I think happened, not some big negotiation. I think he signed the effing deal.
I think so too.

I think the man looked into the abyss. But then the abyss looked back and it was massive, it was wearing a blue shirt and it had a T-towel on its head.

Backing away from the blue abyss he was suddenly faced with a choice between our pay offer and something that wouldn't have been that much higher, but involved eating calamari and paella, he realised what he stood to lose (and what he was already losing)
 

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Fergie and Rooney's comments remind me an awful lot of when Ronaldo decided to stay two years ago. He's realized that this where he belongs, yada yada yada. Enough to explain why Fergie's putting him in the squad, and why we should expect the player to give his all.

I fecking idolize Fergie, so it's not a complaint against him, I'm just not expecting Rooney to be here next season. Maybe he will be. 20-25% chance, IMO. I'll believe it when I see it, though.
 

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Fergie and Rooney's comments remind me an awful lot of when Ronaldo decided to stay two years ago. He's realized that this where he belongs, yada yada yada. Enough to explain why Fergie's putting him in the squad, and why we should expect the player to give his all.

I fecking idolize Fergie, so it's not a complaint against him, I'm just not expecting Rooney to be here next season. Maybe he will be. 20-25% chance, IMO. I'll believe it when I see it, though.
2 BIG differences thou. Ronaldo was always quoted saying he would play for Madrid some day, and he's from Portugal.
 

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When Keane blasted the quality of players nobody said that tainted his legacy. Granted, the situations aren't entirely comparable, but a whole bunch of scenarios are likely, including the one where his ear was bent to the agent and Fergie had to slap him out of it... or he just did it for more money... at any rate I don't see what's so unforgiveable about it, in either Keane's case or his. Keane's got a better head on him, that's for sure, and Rooney's got the world at his feet, neverminding this current blip... He's staying, and until it becomes apparent that he's just biding his time and allowing us a big pay-day, I say that Rooney erred once, under bad greedy guidance, and that I trust Fergie's handling of this. If the players who are to feel slated by this take him back and continue to play well with him, why should we as fans be going nuts over this?
 

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When Keane blasted the quality of players nobody said that tainted his legacy. Granted, the situations aren't entirely comparable, but a whole bunch of scenarios are likely, including the one where his ear was bent to the agent and Fergie had to slap him out of it... or he just did it for more money... at any rate I don't see what's so unforgiveable about it, in either Keane's case or his. Keane's got a better head on him, that's for sure, and Rooney's got the world at his feet, neverminding this current blip... He's staying, and until it becomes apparent that he's just biding his time and allowing us a big pay-day, I say that Rooney erred once, under bad greedy guidance, and that I trust Fergie's handling of this. If the players who are to feel slated by this take him back and continue to play well with him, why should we as fans be going nuts over this?
A lot of people said that, and still do. In fact it is usually mentioned in every "How much of a legend is Keane" thread on here.
 

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When Keane blasted the quality of players nobody said that tainted his legacy. Granted, the situations aren't entirely comparable, but a whole bunch of scenarios are likely, including the one where his ear was bent to the agent and Fergie had to slap him out of it... or he just did it for more money... at any rate I don't see what's so unforgiveable about it, in either Keane's case or his. Keane's got a better head on him, that's for sure, and Rooney's got the world at his feet, neverminding this current blip... He's staying, and until it becomes apparent that he's just biding his time and allowing us a big pay-day, I say that Rooney erred once, under bad greedy guidance, and that I trust Fergie's handling of this. If the players who are to feel slated by this take him back and continue to play well with him, why should we as fans be going nuts over this?
When Keane blasted the quality of players he lost his job.
 

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He asked to be shown the ambition of the club, manager, players and what not. He needs to show us his ambition now... That's all. He needs to f'n play like a God from now on
 

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I guess I should trust SAF's handling of this situation but the figure is slightly worrying - he's held us to ransom, and we've bent over and accepted it despite his attitude over the last few days