Why don't the Irish support their local teams?
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Everyone still think this thread is fuelled by disinterested intellectual curiosity alone? Surely if that was the case the idea of asking us a question is letting us answer it, and not telling us the answer?
did the Manchester Celtic never happen then?
No it didnt..
The club actually deliberately chose not to link itself to Irish catholics.
If you want to turn it on its head, you could say United did everything in its power to stop the club being linked to Ireland...
ha ha feck off fred I know you love each and every one of us, even the gingers!
If you want to turn it on its head, you could say United did everything in its power to stop the club being linked to Ireland...
Consistently having Irish players at every level in the club probably wasnt the best move so.
Fred, you're the biggest shit stirrer on here
Manchester United, owned by Yanks, Loved by Paddies.
Anyway, this thread is about why the LOI struggles fred, not why we are polluting United's genepool.
Anyway, this thread is about why the LOI struggles fred, not why we are polluting United's genepool.
An Iraqi watching United on the internet and liking what he sees, is no different to an Irishman reading in the paper that an irish player he's never seen in his life scored for United.
Whatever way you want to try paint it.
How many people in Ireland actually ever went to watch George Best play prior to him putting on a United shirt ? How many people had even heard of him ?
What you are saying is thousands of Irish people pick up the Sunday papers, read that an Irishman is playing for United and think "whale oil beef hooked.... Oi'll be supportin' them mancs from now on"
Get real....
Uniteds first Irish player was in 1932, by that time united had had 17 Scottish players and four Welsh, the rest had been English.
Since then there have been loads of Irish but not for the first 40 or so years we existed as a club.
That does happen, Villa got a lot of supporters when Staunton, Townsend and McGrath went there, but don't take our word for it, we only live here, you are fredthered.
The ban would've had something to do with that. In '32 we were out of the commonwealth and had a small bit of confidence in ourselves as a nation and playing the 'english game' became slightly more acceptable but still only in the very few urban areas.
did this ban really exist,i´d never heard of this untill this thread,see this thread hasn´t been all bad!!
Aye seriously, it was part of the cultural revival, where if we asserted our own identity then it would not only help with the struggle for independence but make it inevitable. It reversed the British laws that were designed to do the exact opposite. I'll mail you a good article later when I get back to Sligo.
Some do, most don't. Some don't have a local team and some just have no interest whatsoever. As I said, I've been asked plenty of times why I support an Irish club, by Irish people. Its pretty disheartning.
This is an odd thread. I do both, although admittly i dont go to nearly as many Shels games as I used to. I dont think its a big as an issue as been made out in here.
As for gloryhunting maybe. I support both my teams as my family did. but when I was growing up(I'm 31) it was all Liverpool fans as they were winnng everything. To this day in my group of mates I'm the only United supporter and I reckon there are far more Liverpool fans in Dublin. There are rakes of Liverpool pubs around dublin these days and I cant think of one United pub, for what its worth. Granted it will probably change in the next few years as the younger generation grow up
The exact same thread happens regulary on Irish footall forums and it gets quite boring really.
As for gloryhunting maybe. I support both my teams as my family did. but when I was growing up(I'm 31) it was all Liverpool fans as they were winnng everything. To this day in my group of mates I'm the only United supporter and I reckon there are far more Liverpool fans in Dublin. There are rakes of Liverpool pubs around dublin these days and I cant think of one United pub, for what its worth. Granted it will probably change in the next few years as the younger generation grow up
The exact same thread happens regulary on Irish footall forums and it gets quite boring really.
Pretty much.... Irish involvement in the club is also why there has been such a surge of Irish lads supporting Sunderland in the last few years.
Roy Keane managing Ipswich is why lots of people in Ireland now know how they're doing, before he was there they'd have been just another championship team. There are lots of examples like this.
How many people actually went to watch Paul Scholes play prior to him putting on a United shirt? How many people had even heard of himBizarre thing to post
To answer your question, considering Bestie was 15 when discovered by United, i'd say not an awful lot had seen him or heard of him. Luckily for us the United scout did
Is it any less confusing without being as close to putting white pillowcases on heads and burning crosses in the garden of the Murphys and O Reillys on Moss Side?
My Dad was born in 1938 and used to play GAA. If the coaches knew you'd even been watching 'foreign sports' (rugby or soccer) not only would you be kicked off the GAA teams but you'd also be seen as somewhat of a traitor.
He's told me stories of him and his mates watching soccer from the bushes and the GAA coach rolling past to see who was there.
Its certainly a factor that effected development of soccer in rural Ireland. Obviously not the case anymore but the GAA clubs were established as the community clubs.
Lots of lads now play both but would favour GAA in terms of their list of priorities as it gets more support, thats also a limiting factor in terms of attracting talent to the Irish game.
What difference does that make anyways?
Outside the UK Ireland has the most amount of season ticket holders, 2/3 thousand make the journey over to see & support Man Utd by bus, boat, plane, car, from the 4 corners or Ireland each week & you don't see them harping on about the tough journeys or sacrifices they have to make!
There was an issue with Douglas Hyde when he was president of Ireland. He was a soccer man, but made honourary head of the GAA as pres and went to Dalyer and a shitstorm kicked off. (may contain traces of truth - but can't be arsed to google it)
Also I played both sports in school, but only GAA training and fixtures were announced over the intercom, soccer news was passed on by the teacher in question between classes.
They never said no to our cash in the 80's when I made the trip with my aulman 3 or 4 times a year. Not a whole lot of glory for us hunters either.
without sounding flippant, was this ban thing just on sports or was it any English thing? (stout was an English invention )
)It was a GAA rule, not an Irish state law, so only sport
Rule 27
"any member of the association who plays or encourages in any way rugby, football, hockey or any imported game which is calculated or injuriously affect our national pastimes, is suspended from the association."
Rule 27
"any member of the association who plays or encourages in any way rugby, football, hockey or any imported game which is calculated or injuriously affect our national pastimes, is suspended from the association."
without sounding flippant, was this ban thing just on sports or was it any English thing? (stout was an English invention
It was everything English.
Enforcing the ban on the internal combustion engine was a nightmare.
But he has great time for the few Cockneys that travel up the road from London to see Utd!
The 3000 odd paddies that head on over on the boat each week are gloryhunters & have lame excuses for supporting Man Utd. The Hungarians & Italians have more of a historical link to Man Utd too than the Irish have.
Sweet jaysus!
without sounding flippant, was this ban thing just on sports or was it any English thing? (stout was an English invention
As far as I know it was only the GAA and thats mainly because initially the GAA was a very republican organisation set up to specifically promote Gaelic games which had been suppressed. Up to recently if you were in the British Army or Northern Police force you couldn't be a member of the GAA.
Only in the last few years was their rule about allowing soccer or rugby be played in Croke Park overturned so the Irish national sides could play there while Lansdowne was redeveloped. That caused huge controversy here at the time.
I was at the FAI cup final yesterday to see my home team lift the trophy, after going to every single match along the way. Delighted.
So you go around cheering on players you've never actually seen, and claim to support the club they play for because of nothing more than the fact they were born in the same country as where you live..
I hope to feck we never get Bin Ladens cousin playing for United then. We'll be having Rucksack parties inside OT seeing who can blow up the most seats. All because of "historical links"
Given that Ireland is actually land-connected to the UK then I guess that would explain it really.
If there were thousands travelling 2000 miles then your argument would be perhaps valid. The fact its easier to get to Manchester from Ireland than it is to get there from Cornwall, I'd say it pretty much proves feck all.
Sorry, what is it we are trying to 'prove'?
I thought we were being asked one of those non loaded questions about why the Irish league isn't very popular in Ireland.
Congrats, I'm a lifelong fan starting from next season, I'll be defending Dubs right to support the Rovers on a forum near you in the coming seasons.
I was there yesterday too, my brother is a Sham Rovers fan, so I thought living in Sligo I'd do the right thing.
Might actually start going next year.
Sligo circa 1937
i like to think that this is grandpa pogue and grandpa moses as young men setting out for a days fishing.
You can't beat the aul non racist racism. At least the clan had the courage of their convictions.
I guess I'm Barney so. The short cnut.
That's pretty fecked up!
Is the support for the local game dying due to a rise in support for the English game or is it the same as it has ever been?
to be fair, i´ve seen your photo and you´re not a million miles away from Barney.