Rooney Charged: Faces Two Match Ban for cursing | Appeal lost

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Rooney tells ref to "feck You" in pre world cup game vs some South African team. Did FA take any action? #mufc #whatfeckingwhat
 

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If someone drops their car keys in the street, bends down to pick them up and says "f*ck off" with a policeman near by they wouldn't get in trouble but if you looked at a copper close up and told him to F off you get arrested.

What is chanted by fans or said amongst players/refs to each other is not the same case as Rooney ranting abuse at the camera, get over it and accept it, follow your own advice.
lol - off course if a player swears at the ref or to the crowd or the camera is the same thing because the rule is one and the same - no foul and abusive language.

Your analogy is funny because you now believe that Rooney was telling the FA to feck off - interesting.
 

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By whom? FA website doesn't say anything about a ban. Just that he is being charged and has until 5pm tomorrow to reply.
I too am living in hope that this ban nonsense is just cooked up by Journo's and thus spread all over the net.

Still think they'll ban him though/
 

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It's only a 2 matcher against inferior opposition. Blessing in disguise, it'll keep him fresh for CL and the rest of the run in. It were probably master stroke by Fergie; "ie lad, get yerself banned 2 match nout gettin sent off".
 

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I thought that on things like bringing the game into disrepute (the FA's speciality) you could request a personal hearing rather than appeal directly. But perhaps this is not how it works if you have been charged with foul abusive language during a game.
 

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If Fergie says anything they'll just extend his ban. I'd laugh my head off if he came out and supported this and said that the club will send the FA 300 videos a week of instances of players swearing on camera in expectation that the FA will fully investigate all of those.
 

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Your the one claiming there's a conspiracy, it's fecking cringeworthy!
Few are suggesting that there is a conspiracy. What some are suggesting is that the FA disciplinary process appears to be arbitrary, and the evidence clearly points to that being the case.

That inconsistency is, I would argue, the real reason why player and manager behavior is a problem, because there is total confusion about what is allowed and what is not. Written rules do not modify behavior, but a fair and consistent application of them often does.

It should be unsurprising that players and managers would attempt to push at the boundaries of what is acceptable in pursuit of their own interests, but it would be trivially easy to stop most of the games supposed ills if the FA was consistent and fair in dealing with incidents that they deem unnacceptable. And most supporters would also accept that, as well, if they actually had any confidence in the process.

An FA spokesman even said the other day that '[c]onsideration is given to any comments reported to us...', which appears to suggest that they rely, at least in part, on the media to report incidents that are worthy of attention. That is further supported by the fact that many media outlets admit that they have been in touch with the FA after major incidents, and those incidents are, anecdotally, at least, usually the ones that end up with action being taken. It also just so happens that strong action correlates rather well with how much attention an incident is given by the media, which lead Graham Bean to suggest that '[t]he FA reacts to media pressure...'.

If that is the case, it should be obvious just how open to abuse that system is. The media doesn't cover all clubs equally, and they have a vested interest in the most newsworthy clubs.

If what I have outlined here is even remotely true, it is not an example of a conspiracy, but of a corrupted and unfair discplinary process which appears to have the opposite effect to its stated goal.
 

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When will the FA ban John O'Shea for saying "that's a fecking foul" who was heard on tv?
 

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By whom? FA website doesn't say anything about a ban. Just that he is being charged and has until 5pm tomorrow to reply.
I see where you are coming from.

It hasn't been confirmed but is being reported as such based on the fact that that specific charge carries a two-match ban.
 

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Absolutely moronic decision from the FA. I saw Beattie swearing after his misplaced pass against Fulham, so where's his ban?

How many football matches have we watched where we've heard "your support is fecking shit," or "the referee's a wanker"? How many times have we been down the pub to watch games, and we've heard somebody effing and blinding at the screen? Short of the most pious of people, I'm sure 90% of the football watching public has sworn watching a game. Because it's Wayne Rooney, suddenly a bit of foul language becomes a cardinal sin.

During that game the West Ham fans were constantly on Rooney's back. Chants about granny shagging. Chants about Colleen. Chants about Kai. After he's had that bunch of idiots getting at him, and he's just led his team back into a winning position, what do you do? You shove a camera and microphone into his face. What on earth did they expect? A short poetry reading?

The FA has charged Wayne Rooney for a heat of the moment mistake, which he apologised for straight after the game. What? What? feck off.
 

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Accept the charge and the fine that comes with it, but appeal the joke of a ban. But why is the hearing on wednesday? Do the FA know we have an important game that night, and Rooney will lose focus just to get to fecking FA?
 

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The adding a game if an appeal is denied is both ridiculous and should be legally challenged every time. The FA act as if they're a council of gods without any oversight committee. Unfortunately, they are.
 

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Henry Winter is crazy /

henrywinter ...more thoughts on Rooney 3: footballer swearing into (rather than near) a camera merits a punishment. Surprised it's 2 games. One enough

:lol:
 

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The point being would another FA suspend their star player for a similar action.
If they treated him differently based on his status in the national team it would be outrageous, the same goes for any Federation. That should never happen anywhere.
 

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Aye but I've read elsewhere that the specific charge carries a range of sanctions from a fine to a ban. It's all very confusing.
It is. Guardian claims it can still vary between a fine and a ban. The FA certainly haven't said anything about a ban in their announcement (they never do). Could the likes of BBC be wrong? I can't believe foul language would be a minimum of a two-game ban.
 

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I see where you are coming from.

It hasn't been confirmed but is being reported as such based on the fact that that specific charge carries a two-match ban.
we can only live in hope since the punishment haven't been given out yet....:(
 

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Few are suggesting that there is a conspiracy. What some are suggesting is that the FA disciplinary process appears to be arbitrary, and the evidence clearly points to that being the case.

That inconsistency is, I would argue, the real reason why player and manager behavior is a problem, because there is total confusion about what is allowed and what is not. Written rules do not modify behavior, but a fair and consistent application of them often does.

It should be unsurprising that players and managers would attempt to push at the boundaries of what is acceptable in pursuit of their own interests, but it would be trivially easy to stop most of the games supposed ills if the FA was consistent and fair in dealing with incidents that they deem unnacceptable. And most supporters would also accept that, as well, if they actually had any confidence in the process.

An FA spokesman even said the other day that '[c]onsideration is given to any comments reported to us...', which appears to suggest that they rely, at least in part, on the media to report incidents that are worthy of attention. That is further supported by the fact that many media outlets admit that they have been in touch with the FA after major incidents, and those incidents are, anecdotally, at least, usually the ones that end up with action being taken. It also just so happens that strong action correlates rather well with how much attention an incident is given by the media, which lead Graham Bean to suggest that '[t]he FA reacts to media pressure...'.

If that is the case, it should be obvious just how open to abuse that system is. The media doesn't cover all clubs equally, and they have a vested interest in the most newsworthy clubs.

If what I have outlined here is even remotely true, it is not an example of a conspiracy, but of a corrupted and unfair discplinary process which appears to have the opposite effect to its stated goal.
From the ref respect thread, but I think Joga's points may be relevant here:
;)
 

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Who the feck is Harry Redknapp coming out and having an opinion?

He said that he had not seen what Rooney did, but read the reports and then goes on for a minute how stupid he and other footballers are.
 

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If they treated him differently based on his status in the national team it would be outrageous, the same goes for any Federation. That should never happen anywhere.
The point being would another FA ban their star player for this. It's not as complicated as you are making it appear.

Do you honestly think the Spanish FA would ban Xavi for saying feck on camera?

Irregardless of his assocation with the national side.

Or, if you want, we can go the route of a non-national team, non-star player. But that's hard as this is unprecedented and Rooney is the first one. And of course the media witch hunt wouldn't exist if this had been Mark Noble.
 

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How are we going to get back at the FA for this then? I suppose the possibilities range from refusing to do any media for the semi-final (seems very likely) to deliberately playing the reserves (seems rather unlikely). We'll definitely be fecking around with the semi in some way.