Ronaldinho takes the michael...

[mariachi-19]

Best footballer i've ever seen at his peak Had absolutely everything in his arsenal. Dribbling, shooting 'distance and close up', free kicks, heading, passing 'long and short' and every time he played he played with a smile. Unfortunately he is everything good, and bad about the modern footballer rolled into one. Lack of ambition after the CL triumph and 06 world cup inevitably caused his down fall. Kinda makes me sad that a player with so much skill could let it go. Even watching him at Milan you could see glimpses of one of the best players in the world. I kinda hoped that Fergie might have picked him up when he was at Milan. Just imagine him working under a manager that would well and truly leave a footprint on his arse if he did half the shit he got away with at Milan and Barca Ronaldinho with the fire re-lit!

 

[Decotron]

I was wondering how many posts it would take before the theme of the thread turned into comparisons against Messi. Great stuff, just more of what we all want.

Its starting to define a generation, a generation of cnuts

 

[I'm always right]

Agree with every word marchi, I know SAF loves to go back for a player he's missed out on in the past (Larsson, Blanc etc) and I was desperate for us to sign him from Barca when he went to Milan. If anyone could've given him the kick up the arse he needed then it would've been SAF and it feels like a huge shame that we only ever got to see the best of the best for a few amazing years at Barcelona.

At his peak he was the most special player I've ever seen, and I include Maradona and Zidane in that, the guy really could do thing with a ball that left you breathless.

 

[Boss]

feck me, somebody says a bollocks statement and you can no longer disscuss it.

Why don't we have an official rule that on redcafe you can't compare the greatest players against each other Hectic?

Messi is the greatest player of our generation so it's natural, I repeat natural he's going to constantly be compared to other greats . I'm sure it's like that in ever single forum.

There used to be a time posters were encouraged to discuss football especially during a bloody off season.

First we can't compare Messi and Ronaldo, fair enough, that's understandable somewhat. Whatever .

Messi vs Ronaldinho is a very healthy footballing debate about two of the most talented footballers to play the game.

To every poster who replied I can school you on every single post sent my way, but feck debating football.

I'm out.

 

[esmufc07]

Boss has logged out and continued to read the forum.

 

[I'm always right]

Just make a Messi vs. Everyone thread Boss, you could live there and love life

 

[KM]

feck me, somebody says a bollocks statement and you can no longer disscuss it.

Why don't we have an official rule that on redcafe you can't compare the greatest players against each other Hectic?

Messi is the greatest player of our generation so it's natural, I repeat natural he's going to constantly be compared to other greats . I'm sure it's like that in ever single forum.

There used to be a time posters were encouraged to discuss football especially during a bloody off season.

First we can't compare Messi and Ronaldo, fair enough, that's understandable somewhat. Whatever .

Messi vs Ronaldinho is a very healthy footballing debate about two of the most talented footballers to play the game.

To every poster who replied I can school you on every single post sent my way, but feck debating football.

I'm out.

You can compare Ronaldo and Messi but it should be confined to a thread made specifically for this. I don't see any wrong in that.

 

[Godfather]

Nonsense, Messi's naturally more talented than Ronaldinho, who has never been as good.

Bullshit is he

 

[Solius]

Boss has logged out and continued to read the forum.

 

[Decotron]

Boss has logged out and continued to read the forum.

 

[Hectic]

feck me, somebody says a bollocks statement and you can no longer disscuss it.

Why don't we have an official rule that on redcafe you can't compare the greatest players against each other Hectic?

Messi is the greatest player of our generation so it's natural, I repeat natural he's going to constantly be compared to other greats . I'm sure it's like that in ever single forum.

There used to be a time posters were encouraged to discuss football especially during a bloody off season.

First we can't compare Messi and Ronaldo, fair enough, that's understandable somewhat. Whatever .

Messi vs Ronaldinho is a very healthy footballing debate about two of the most talented footballers to play the game.

To every poster who replied I can school you on every single post sent my way, but feck debating football.

I'm out.

Massively ignoring the point though aren't you.

It's all we see on here, comparisons with every player, it's reached the point now where as soon as a player is talked about, the question of is he/was he better than Messi crops up, evidenced in this thread, and the thousand other ones. If you can't see this recent pattern, then you're the lucky one.

It's not about being able to compare the two Boss. If the intentions of this thread were to discuss Ronaldinho in comparison to Messi, then fair enough, but it wasn't and like every other 'single player' thread, we see the same thing happen. It means people who don't care less about comparing every player alive to Messi, means they have to read though it, or ignore it.

It wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't happening all the time Boss, and a lot of times people don't want their thread derailed by posters who can't seem to talk about anything other than 'vs Messi'. It's ridiculous, the focus on him is too much, and last time I checked this was the Football Forums, not the Messi Forums.

Don't be hysterical. We still want posters to discuss football, and that's the whole point isn't it. To discuss football, not football in the context of one player, and not football in the context of 'X vs Y'. That's shit, and makes for shit discussions, with people who can't back down on their point, so inevitably ends up in arguments. It might be fun for you, arguing why every player isn't as good as Messi, but for those of us who don't care, or are bored of seeing it every day, it get's tiresome.

I'm not sure if you are being ignorant on purpose here. You can discuss Messi vs Ronaldo, that coud not be clearer. The whole point is that you and others were taking the piss so much with your Messi vs Ronaldo rubbish, a sole thread had to be created, for the specific and sole purpose of 'Messi vs Ronaldo', in fact, in that thread, there is nothing else you can discuss.

You need to understand this forum is more than you arguing the toss on Messi, and involves more than just player comparisons. There isn't anything wrong with it, which has been stressed a thousand times, but when every other thread is derailed with the intention of turning it into a vs Messi discussion, people will take upset, and complaints will and have been made.

 

[Badunk]

He was the most innovative footballer there's ever been. He just invented so many moves and tricks that no-one had even thought of before. A waste of a talent. He could easily have been the best ever.

 

[beardsleybob]

feck me, somebody says a bollocks statement and you can no longer disscuss it.

Why don't we have an official rule that on redcafe you can't compare the greatest players against each other Hectic?

Messi is the greatest player of our generation so it's natural, I repeat natural he's going to constantly be compared to other greats . I'm sure it's like that in ever single forum.

There used to be a time posters were encouraged to discuss football especially during a bloody off season.

First we can't compare Messi and Ronaldo, fair enough, that's understandable somewhat. Whatever .

Messi vs Ronaldinho is a very healthy footballing debate about two of the most talented footballers to play the game.

To every poster who replied I can school you on every single post sent my way, but feck debating football.

I'm out.

Boss schooling someone

 

[KingEric7]

'kin hell. He would've had a disgustingly good career here under Sir Alex. Shame.

 

[Donkey's Ears]

Always regret we never saw him in a United shirt. I think he would have been incredible here.

 

[Drifter]

Remember we nearly signed him too.

fecking Kenyon!!

Don't go there it still hurts.

 

[VP]

feck me, somebody says a bollocks statement and you can no longer disscuss it.

Why don't we have an official rule that on redcafe you can't compare the greatest players against each other Hectic?

Messi is the greatest player of our generation so it's natural, I repeat natural he's going to constantly be compared to other greats . I'm sure it's like that in ever single forum.

There used to be a time posters were encouraged to discuss football especially during a bloody off season.

First we can't compare Messi and Ronaldo, fair enough, that's understandable somewhat. Whatever .

Messi vs Ronaldinho is a very healthy footballing debate about two of the most talented footballers to play the game.

To every poster who replied I can school you on every single post sent my way, but feck debating football.

I'm out.

There's no debate here though Boss.

You're right, Messi is comfortably better than Ronaldinho ever was.

 

[finneh]

The question is: where does this leave Andy Carroll?

 

[gormless]

You'd watch matches you had no interest in just to see what he did. I remember Chelsea being completely dominant/untouchable in the Premier League, they came up against Ronaldinho, who spent the entire match seemingly jogging around playing backheeled passes what felt like the majority of the time, and they couldn't get near him. I'd never seen anything like it, it was like he wasn't even trying but he was toying with them. 57 seconds into this, he plays two "one-twos" with deco in the space of 5 seconds, both of them backheels, and Chelseas defenders just couldn't get near it.

 

[Stretch]

The question is: where does this leave Andy Carroll?

Up front with Suarez? No?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Wow. That touch is unreal.

 

[wr8_utd]

We need to ban Messi from the Caf. Any topic can descend into Messi vs someone.

 

[Rado_N]

You'd watch matches you had no interest in just to see what he did. I remember Chelsea being completely dominant/untouchable in the Premier League, they came up against Ronaldinho, who spent the entire match seemingly jogging around playing backheeled passes what felt like the majority of the time, and they couldn't get near him. I'd never seen anything like it, it was like he wasn't even trying but he was toying with them. 57 seconds into this, he plays two "one-twos" with deco in the space of 5 seconds, both of them backheels, and Chelseas defenders just couldn't get near it.

The bold says it all really, he was absolutely incredible. He was the most entertaining player I've seen and some of the things he did on the pitch were nothing short of breathtaking.

I also agree with the consensus that the comparisons are stupid and pointless. Unless you're in primary school, otherwise just enjoy the videos and memories of Ronaldinho at his best.

 

[Cold_Boy]

Won everything too early, if he had Ronaldo's(Cristiano) determination, people wouldn't give a shit about Messi.

This.

What a talent! Seriously most talented I have seen live.

 

[fatboyetex]

I would like to know Boss' thoughts on Drake vs Messi...

 

[wr8_utd]

Rihana vs Messi should be fun.

 

[B20]

Wow. That touch is unreal.

such a lazy swagger to it as well. Man, I wish I could do that.

 

[Skywarden]

When he scored, he smiled. When he failed, he still smiled. Football was like his living force. The sheer thought of seeing him under SAF....wow. Like Sharky7 said, we should have gone for him the moment he was available for Milan.

 

[Raven Blade]

He will always remain one of my favourites. I also believe he's surely one of the most skillful players in history. Ronaldinho made football a joy to watch every time he played. You just knew he would always do something to leave you speechless.

If only he had the desire to stay at the top level. He could have been making headlines well into his late 30's like Giggs.

 

[adexkola]

Best I've ever seen. Spent hours trying to pull off the elastico, did it once, ran off celebrating

 

[B20]

Ronaldinho made football a joy to watch every time he played.

That's not quite true for me. Even moreso than Rivaldo, Ronaldinho was probably the most infurating to watch, as BPITW go, with his tendency to receive the ball, tip toe up to the defender in anticipation of doing something fanciful, realise in those 4-5 seconds he wasted doing that, the defence is in place all around him and ready to react, then pass it back to someone who isn't going to linger on the ball.

Especially towards the latter stages of his barca career he would have many games where that was pretty much the sum of his contribution over 90 minutes.

For a player with such vision, creativity and game intelligence, his decisionmaking could be shocking at times. Rijkaard indulged him too much.

 

[I'm always right]

Wow. That touch is unreal.

Isn't it just, incredible!

 

[I'm always right]

Ronaldinho with "poor decision making"... Jesus wept!

At his peak there was no better decision maker in the game.

 

[Rado_N]

 

[B20]

Ronaldinho with "poor decision making"... Jesus wept!

At his peak there was no better decision maker in the game.

except for all the times he would, receive the ball, tip toe with it for 4-5 seconds, then pass it back to a teammate now in a poorer position than before.

It was primadonna-esque and poor decisionmaking. Should have stamped it out of his game, especially considering how well he did the quick one touch passing.

 

[I'm always right]

except for all the times he would, receive the ball, tip toe with it for 4-5 seconds, then pass it back to a teammate now in a poorer position than before.

It's a ridiculous lazy argument that can be said about any flair player in history.

George Best too then eh?

 

[I'm always right]

Oh and I disagree with making footballers into robots, not surprised though coming from a fan of the team that last won the league when there was no pass back rule.

 

[Blair]

Imagine the mass wanking if Messi done that!?

 

[B20]

It's a ridiculous lazy argument that can be said about any flair player in history.

George Best too then eh?

It's not lazy. Zidane wasn't prone to this. Neither is Messi, neither was Figo, Laudrup, Baggio or Bergkamp.

many great players have been. Hagi, Rivaldo for example. Ronaldinho could be as bad as anyone in this regard though and it was almost sad to watch towards the latter stages of his barca career as there clearly was little gravity to his ball posturing.

Lazy is thinking that because he was creative and intelligent and brilliant at his best, he therefore could not have had such a weakness to his game. But he did.

 

[Successful]

Messi is outstanding with the ball at his feet. He's perhaps the best in the world with that - but the creativity and tricks he would do. There's something new every day when he plays. He invents tricks, flicks and ways around defenders that you couldn't make up with your manga brain in a thousand years. And that video in post #59 shows you how much he bullied up at the end of his Barca days when he tackles John Terry to the ground, stays on his feet and scores an amazing goal. He used to be skinny but in his peak he had muscles which I also believe got a bit too heavy and slowed him down, then he just became more and more off target with his shape and couldn't compete with top level players anymore.

When Messi's got the ball you know there will be a run at the defenders, nothing new - nowdays. So saying that Messi is more skilled than Ronaldinho only tells us that you're quite new to the game and were probably about 10 years old when Ronaldinho was at his top. It feels like yesterday but it was actually some time now since Dinho was on the top :O