Arsenal 1:2 Manchester United

bosnian_red · Nov 22, 2014

Also that's never a pen, shaw on Wilshere. It's normal contact inside the box between them and wilshere just goes down as he was out muscled, wasn't a shove or push over.

lostcauz · Nov 22, 2014

Redknapp is driving me mad.

Saying we need to stick to one system, 3 at the back isn't working. He's use to seeing united scoring on the counter attack and we aren't seeing that at the moment.

Good to see he's erased the arsenal game from his memory already.

Eboue · Nov 22, 2014

Lawman said:
And Wilshire should have been sent off plus Rooney was on side and we had a 2 vs 1! Get over yourself!

And those issues have been addressed many times over. I'm responding by pointing out other issues that have been discussed for less on here for obvious reasons. Why don't you learn to read?

RedChip · Nov 22, 2014

Crashoutcassius said:
We were very poor whatever way you look at it, but we can move on. I don't think there are many positives to take from that other than we have a better position, in the top 4, going into next week

Actually, I think there are three Positives:
We have demonstrated we are a resilient TEAM. Again;
We have won away from home for the first team this Season; and
We have beaten a direct rival and top four team.

We rode our luck but it is time it turned our way; we have been very unlucky with injuries.

Im red2 · Nov 22, 2014

Lawman · Nov 22, 2014

Eboue said:
And those issues have been addressed many times over. I'm responding by pointing out other issues that have been discussed for less on here for obvious reasons. Why don't you learn to read?

Go and cry in your soup Eboue! That is the best you have played against a poor United team and we still won on your patch.

bosnian_red · Nov 22, 2014

Eboue said:
It's not by much but he is offside. I don't want to seem like I think we deserved to win. We surely didn't. But Dean had a bad game too.

I'm not saying he had a great game and I know what you mean, but it's basically a 50/50 call that. If he's offside, then it's basically because of his hair, you don't ever see that called though. Isn't there some sort of advantage that's supposed to be applied anyways? Either way, it's marginal and you can't blame that on Dean as he relies on his assistant there.
But yeah, ref wasn't great and missed a few things/let others go, didn't give cards when he needed to and things like that. Don't think overall that he had a big impact on the game or that there was anything too controversial though.

Eboue · Nov 22, 2014

Lawman said:
Go and cry in your soup Eboue! That is the best you have played against a poor United team and we still won on your patch.

Uh, yes, I know? Who do you think you are responding to? Have you read anything I said?

Red Dreams · Nov 22, 2014

Arsenal have taken several steps backwards.

blame Wenger....

that is fair.

Lawman · Nov 22, 2014

Eboue said:
Uh, yes, I know? Who do you think you are responding to? Have you read anything I said?

To busy drinking my post match celebratory beer to care!

United98 · Nov 22, 2014

This win give some facts
1. 3 at the back is work, if only our opponent playing an attacking football. It also means we need to sit tight before attempting a counter.
2. 4 wins = 4 times McNair as a starter.

DMacgraw · Nov 22, 2014

redlyn said:
Wasnt ADM offside for the nearly 3rd? He seemed so far ahead of all players.

You can't be offside in your own half.

Crashoutcassius · Nov 22, 2014

RedChip said:
Actually, I think there are three Positives:
We have demonstrated we are a resilient TEAM. Again;
We have won away from home for the first team this Season; and
We have beaten a direct rival and top four team.

We rode our luck but it is time it turned our way; we have been very unlucky with injuries.

Yeah I just disagree with the point about being a resilient team. De Gea is part of our team so when he plays well it is still the team playing well, in a way, but if we remove goalkeeping heroics we looked very fragile and on merit should have lost the game in the first 30 mins.

We got huge luck going 1-0 up without a shot on target and then we could sit back and let arsenal overcommit, it looked easy, but without that slice of luck or without magic from De Gea nobody would have been happy with this afternoon. First 30 mins was worst united performance I've seen in a very long time

SalfordRed1960 · Nov 22, 2014

Eboue said:
As for Fellaini, even if I accept your silly justifications for the foul, he was still clearly offside.

Not sure what the video was supposed to prove. Wilshire was the first to use his left arm to try and force Shaw off balance. Shaw touched him, so what. Wilshire lost balance by his own movement and sort to con the ref. No foul, no penalty. As for Fellani, very debatable whether he was offside. Still don't see how he pushed Gibbs.

SalfordRed1960 · Nov 22, 2014

Eboue said:

That proves he was on side.

itso 7 · Nov 22, 2014

BringNaniBack said:
You cant sit back against every team in the Premier League and expect to win by scoring on the counter though, you will get punished in the end being under so much pressure. Its completely different to a world cup tournament.

Have we been sitting back against every team so far? It's not like this is our first game of the season now is it? Given the injuries we had going into the game it's unfair to demand a performance, we needed to survive this game but we went one further and brought home all the points, that is the most important bit.

Red Dreams · Nov 22, 2014

SalfordRed1960 said:
Not sure what the video was supposed to prove. Wilshire was the first to use his left arm to try and force Shaw off balance. Shaw touched him, so what. Wilshire lost balance by his own movement and sort to con the ref. No foul, no penalty. As for Fellani, very debatable whether he was offside. Still don't see how he pushed Gibbs.

clear dive.

but any excuse...

Flamingo Purple · Nov 22, 2014

Eboue said:

Good image that. Just onside

The United Irishman · Nov 22, 2014

Lawman said:
Go and cry in your soup Eboue! That is the best you have played against a poor United team and we still won on your patch.

They were also taught a lesson on how to conduct counter attacking football just like many times before against them.

RedChip · Nov 22, 2014

Crashoutcassius said:
Yeah I just disagree with the point about being a resilient team. De Gea is part of our team so when he plays well it is still the team playing well, in a way, but if we remove goalkeeping heroics we looked very fragile and on merit should have lost the game in the first 30 mins.

We got huge luck going 1-0 up without a shot on target and then we could sit back and let arsenal overcommit, it looked easy, but without that slice of luck or without magic from De Gea nobody would have been happy with this afternoon. First 30 mins was worst united performance I've seen in a very long time

But that's what I mean by resilient: we played very poor but stuck to the task and won in the end. If you domonate and play well, then there is no need for resilience. In fact, I think we will only do well this season if we have a resilient team. We do not have the team yet to just waltz past opponents.

gasmanc · Nov 22, 2014

it your happy and you know it tag in Pete @peterstorey

gasmanc · Nov 22, 2014

Eboue said:
Uh, yes, I know? Who do you think you are responding to? Have you read anything I said?

No one really cares what you've said, it's just great.

Eboue · Nov 22, 2014

good one

Crashoutcassius · Nov 22, 2014

RedChip said:
But that's what I mean by resilient: we played very poor but stuck to the task and won in the end. If you domonate and play well, then there is no need for resilience. In fact, I think we will only do well this season if we have a resilient team. We do not have the team yet to just waltz past opponents.

Yeah but nobody would have been talking about resilience if we were 3 nil down in 20 minutes, and most times /10 thats what would have happened today. We rolled the dice and got double 6s today and are attributing to x, y and z.

Still Arsenal are good in Emirates, we played a style that we designed to make it so the luckiest team won, and we got the luck. Maybe if we have a full squad in furute LVG will try less negative tactics, hopefully we will see that

Onwards and upwards

Andre Kagawa · Nov 22, 2014

Working night shift so missed the game sadly. Great, great result - that top 4 spot looks sweet. Worried about the LB-slot if both Shaw and Blind are side lined long term. Could we loan Coentrao in jan perhaps?

Mato87 · Nov 22, 2014

Eboue is mad and bitter because they lost to team with 2 academy players and 2 wingers at the back..wow talking about butthurt.

Eboue · Nov 22, 2014

Sometimes I don't understand how people reach certain conclusions.

CM21 · Nov 22, 2014

Andre Kagawa said:
Working night shift so missed the game sadly. Great, great result - that top 4 spot looks sweet. Worried about the LB-slot if both Shaw and Blind are side lined long term. Could we loan Coentrao in jan perhaps?

Young was pretty solid as a wing back today IMO.No chance of us getting someone like Coentrao as a loan I think.

RedChip · Nov 22, 2014

Crashoutcassius said:
Yeah but nobody would have been talking about resilience if we were 3 nil down in 20 minutes, and most times /10 thats what would have happened today. We rolled the dice and got double 6s today and are attributing to x, y and z.

Still Arsenal are good in Emirates, we played a style that we designed to make it so the luckiest team won, and we got the luck. Maybe if we have a full squad in furute LVG will try less negative tactics, hopefully we will see that

Onwards and upwards

I hate when people speak about football matches in hypotheticals. 3-0 did not happen. You can only react and be given credit for what happens in a match. How can you be so sure that if Arsenal had scored one goal they would have continued attacking and scored two more? How can you be so sure we would not have reacted differently had they scored the first goal? There is no way to tell that they could have scored three. Having three scoring chances in a roll does not, in my view, mean that they could have had a 3-0 lead. Nobody knows how they and we would have reacted to their first goal.

sincher · Nov 22, 2014

peterstorey said:
We don't need to defend v Man Utd we run through you like a rough curry.

Hi pete!

Let's just have a look at that back 4 again.

Valencia, Smalling, McNair and Blackett

Wow.

The hilarious thing is that you have only the normal amount of injuries at the back. We have Rafael, Jones, Evans, Rojo, Blind and now Shaw out. If you had the equivalent injuries you'd probably have Welbeck at centre back. And we still beat your absolute shower.

Smoochies,

sinch

Crashoutcassius · Nov 22, 2014

RedChip said:
I hate when people speak about football matches in hypotheticals. 3-0 did not happen. You can only react and be given credit for what happens in a match. How can you be so sure that if Arsenal had scored one goal they would have continued attacking and scored two more? How can you be so sure we would not have reacted differently had they scored the first goal? There is no way to tell that they could have scored three. Having three scoring chances in a roll does not, in my view, mean that they could have had a 3-0 lead. Nobody knows how they and we would have reacted to their first goal.

I can't be sure, but luck exists in football. I praise the performance if it deserves praising, not the result. If we play like that often, we won't be winning any silverwear, even though we did win today

Striker10 · Nov 22, 2014

Great game. Sure we could have lost by a big margin. We could have won by a big margin. I think some forget we've gone through some big changes over the last season and a bit. We're picking up injuries like Chelsea are picking up points this season. It used to be that we had one defender missing and you'd be nervous. I don't think a lot of people have thought through the changes we've gone through because of the players who left in the summer and because of the injuries. We're clearly not in peak condition but I think LVG got lucky today. Can't say we weren't overdue.

Sir A1ex · Nov 22, 2014

paulscholes18 said:
Injuries to jack and there keeper and a few subs

Checked here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30065812 - those two delays took 2:21 and 1:50, so that's 4:10. Not sure where he's found another 4!

Cpt Negative · Nov 22, 2014

Had they not had Welbeck upfront, they might have scored sooner

Henrik Larsson · Nov 22, 2014

Flamingo Purple said:
Good image that. Just onside

The way I see this, Fellaini´s right foot is over the line? Not sure how that that is 'just onside'? But I'm no expert at these things, obviously that's why I'm asking

jaimoe · Nov 22, 2014

gooDevil said:
http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php

thanks!

imperi · Nov 22, 2014

Great to see that our scheme with our spy Welbz is working out, let him destroy them from the inside. They never knew what hit them.

jaimoe · Nov 22, 2014

CM21 said:
Young was pretty solid as a wing back today IMO.No chance of us getting someone like Coentrao as a loan I think.

I agree, he came on the pitch and immediately took charge. I think he made Blackett in particular more comfortable. Very please with Young today.

Manucho the boss · Nov 22, 2014

Henrik Larsson said:
The way I see this, Fellaini´s right foot is over the line? Not sure how that that is 'just onside'? But I'm no expert at these things, obviously that's why I'm asking

The angle is a bit deceptive but yes he's offside.

Is it true we didn't have a shot on target until the 85th minute? I don't believe that.

Jay Pascal · Nov 22, 2014

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Eboue said:
No dodgy decisions? Fellaini was offside and fouled Gibbs on the first goal. Shaw fouled Wilshere in the box.

I'm not blaming Dean entirely because we were shit and deserved to lose but come on.

And Jack should have been sent off.

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