Aston Villa 3:1 Manchester United

crossy1686 · Nov 6, 2022

AlPistacho said:
But we were progressing fine before he started starting again. You could see the weekly improvements.

Since he’s started has there been any progression or has our play regressed?

I'm not disagreeing and I'm not fighting a case for Ronaldo. We need a goal and we have nothing on the bench so why would it make sense to take him off and put Maguire or McTomminay up there?

sepulturite · Nov 6, 2022

crossy1686 said:
Tell that to the all time leading goal scorer

What the hell has that got to do with how shit he's been this season? Absolutely nothing that's what. He WAS the best in the business, key word being 'was'. Some of ye are just delusional thinking it's all of a sudden going to click back in place for him. It isn't. He's finished at the top level.

justsomebloke · Nov 6, 2022

crossy1686 said:
You realise we have more chance of scoring with Ronaldo on the pitch than off it? Whether we like it or not he's lethal

Are you fecking joking? Have you watched him play this season? Lethal? He's got one goal in ten games, and his general performance has been even worse. He's a waste of space, and I can't wait to see the back of him.

Globule · Nov 6, 2022

crossy1686 said:
The poster said that, not me. I'm not saying he's anything, I'm saying we needed a fecking goal and I'd rather have him on than take him off and throw Maguire up top.

Still, on this season's evidence Ronaldo is more likely to fluff that golden chance than score it.

sdb4884 · Nov 6, 2022

Wing Attack Plan R said:
This comment is the highlight of the match, for me.

Bet you he's next cab off the rank for a start

nakpodiareuben · Nov 6, 2022

DevTheRed said:
We all knew it was coming today.. everything pointed towards a loss. What's better is that we've got them again midweek.

crossy1686 · Nov 6, 2022

sepulturite said:
What the hell has that got to do with how shit he's been this season? Absolutely nothing that's what. He WAS the best in the business, key word being 'was'. Some of ye are just delusional thinking it's all of a sudden going to click back in place for him. It isn't. He's finished at the top level.

What's this "some of you" bullshit. We needed a goal and you can either leave on the all time leading goal scorer or you can take him off and bring on Maguire or McTomminay. I don't give a shit how much you like, dislike, love, hate Ronaldo, objectively you leave him on because there's a good chance he'll score if the ball falls to him. It's that simple, but let me guess, you have to say that you'd rather have Maguire going through on goal 1-1 with Martinez or else you're a fan boy...

nakpodiareuben · Nov 6, 2022

We will now beat them maybe 4:0. That is always the story of such consecutive games

crossy1686 · Nov 6, 2022

Globule said:
Still, on this season's evidence Ronaldo is more likely to fluff that golden chance than score it.

Maybe, he fluffed at least one today but I'd still rather have him in that situation than McTomminay

VanDeBank · Nov 6, 2022

Himannv said:
I don''t see why he didn't just bring Fred on for Donny at half-time. The subs were too late and were incorrect on top of that. ETH has made some poor decisions today I reckon.

He'd have sealed the (body) bag on Donny's Utd career by doing so.

Skills · Nov 6, 2022

sdb4884 said:
All this talk about not doing business in January is so naive, we are still short 2-3 players of talent.

We shouldn't have spent the obscene amounts we did on individuals this summer then. Should've spread the money more widely

Devil81 · Nov 6, 2022

Disappointed with ETH today, he should have been bold and took off DVB around the 20 minute mark for Fred, Eriksen should have been pushed forward.

Ronaldo as well, I can't wait to hear from people saying he's getting no supply. He's none existent, absolutely done at the top level.

crossy1686 · Nov 6, 2022

Devil81 said:
Disappointed with ETH today, he should have been bold and took off DVB around the 20 minute mark for Fred, Eriksen should have been pushed forward.

Ronaldo as well, I can't wait to hear from people saying he's getting no supply. He's none existent, absolutely done at the top level.

VDB should have come off at 2-0. He doesn't have the fight or engine to do anything from that point

sepulturite · Nov 6, 2022

crossy1686 said:
What's this "some of you" bullshit. We needed a goal and you can either leave on the all time leading goal scorer or you can take him off and bring on Maguire or McTomminay. I don't give a shit how much you like, dislike, love, hate Ronaldo, objectively you leave him on because there's a good chance he'll score if the ball falls to him. It's that simple, but let me guess, you have to say that you'd rather have Maguire going through on goal 1-1 with Martinez or else you're a fan boy...

I agree that's he's better to have on than putting Maguire on, that's obvious. But he should've subbed him off when martial came on, put rashford to the left and elanga right. I know I know, elanga has not been playing well, but the balance would've been better that way.

And this Ronaldos 4th game in how many days? It made sense to take him off for that reason alone anyway. I don't hate Ronaldo, I just hate watching us this season when he plays, he is finished at the top level unfortunately.

AlPistacho · Nov 6, 2022

Jazz said:
Sounds like £5M would be a better bet to give away than having Ronaldo stink up the place for the whole damn season. Plus that's blackmail. How would Yorke be getting away with that?

£5m for Yorke not to say it, how much, or more likely what, for Ronaldo not to say it?

Also remember that “I’ll reveal all interview” Ronaldo was supposed to give. Maybe at the time Ronaldo thought he was leaving, but do we think he really didn’t know he’d be stuck for another 6 months 2 weeks before the window ended ? Common, his agent was probably sounding out clubs the minute we failed to qualify for the CL.

nakpodiareuben · Nov 6, 2022

Let's give kudos to Aston villa.They put a lot of pressure on our midfield and never gave us space. Donny will never bring near what Bruno brings to the team.A fred or Scot in the midfield would have countered Aston villa game plan. Now we can know how important Anthony and Bruno is to this team

Wing Attack Plan R · Nov 6, 2022

At the very least this match should have shaken off the last of the “give Beek more minutes” crew, of which I was a card-carrying member. I hold my hand up: Beek is pony. Been wanting him to step up and today I admit it’s just never happening.

crossy1686 · Nov 6, 2022

sepulturite said:
I agree that's he's better to have on than putting Maguire on, that's obvious. But he should've subbed him off when martial came on, put rashford to the left and elanga right. I know I know, elanga has not been playing well, but the balance would've been better that way.

And this Ronaldos 4th game in how many days? It made sense to take him off for that reason alone anyway. I don't hate Ronaldo, I just hate watching us this season when he plays, he is finished at the top level unfortunately.

And I agree, he's been absolutely shite and it's frustrating, but if theres a chance he needs to play into fitness to see sharpness and some goal scoring prowess then we need to take that risk because we aren't going to sign a striker any time soon and as much as we want the other players to improve they just aren't going to score chances like he does when he's on it. It's absolutely shit but the options right now are slim to none outside making this work.

AlPistacho · Nov 6, 2022

crossy1686 said:
I'm not disagreeing and I'm not fighting a case for Ronaldo. We need a goal and we have nothing on the bench so why would it make sense to take him off and put Maguire or McTomminay up there?

3 weeks ago, with that lineup. 1) Garnacho stays on, Ronaldo comes off for Martial , or 2) Fred comes on for Ronaldo, DVB goes right, Rashford goes CF.

Lyng · Nov 6, 2022

Sandikan said:
You can't be meaning DVB, so were you meaning Shaw with his little aimless chipped crosses?
Or Garnacho who has potential but just runs it into blind alleys and didn't produce anything?

Shaw was very good and bailed out the defence several times. Garnacho was constantly creating space.
Rashford was terrible, but also played out of position. Ronaldo did feck all and Donnie was non existent.

crossy1686 · Nov 6, 2022

AlPistacho said:
3 weeks ago, with that lineup. Garnacho stays on, Ronaldo comes off for Martial , or Fred comes on for Ronaldo, DVB goes right, Rashford goes CF.

At 3-1 down? I doubt it. If we're winning the subs will always be different. Chasing the game you need big game players, not VDB

Himannv · Nov 6, 2022

VanDeBank said:
He'd have sealed the (body) bag on Donny's Utd career by doing so.

I think it's sealed now and they're already digging the ground ready to lower it in. He won't get a chance again after that performance and rightfully so.

sepulturite · Nov 6, 2022

crossy1686 said:
And I agree, he's been absolutely shite and it's frustrating, but if theres a chance he needs to play into fitness to see sharpness and some goal scoring prowess then we need to take that risk because we aren't going to sign a striker any time soon and as much as we want the other players to improve they just aren't going to score chances like he does when he's on it. It's absolutely shit but the options right now are slim to none outside making this work.

The problem is I think he is fully fit now, he's played alot of football since martial been injured, his match fitness is fine. I just don't think it makes any difference now, it's sad to see, but he doesn't have that movement in the box anymore and he can't finish those chances like he used to.

Hopefully now martial is back playing we might see something different with the starting 11 for the last 2 games before the world cup.

kouroux · Nov 6, 2022

RedDevilQuebecois said:
They have built a performing side in very little time while we suck our thumbs upon the same old issues.

Howie is a good manager, ETH is still making basic mistakes sadly

AgentSmith · Nov 6, 2022

crossy1686 said:
Right next to Ronaldo's 700 club goals

He's not remotely lethal this season. Other than being the death knell to any semblance of a team performance, pretty lethal at that tbf.

AlPistacho · Nov 6, 2022

crossy1686 said:
At 3-1 down? I doubt it. If we're winning the subs will always be different. Chasing the game you need big game players, not VDB

Points the same. 3 weeks ago Ronaldo comes off not Garnacho.

MUFC OK · Nov 6, 2022

RedDevilQuebecois said:
They have built a performing side in very little time while we suck our thumbs upon the same old issues.

Considering they have unlimited funds, they have spent incredibly wisely too. We will not finish above them this season.

Spark · Nov 6, 2022

crossy1686 said:
You realise that not scoring last match doesn't mean he won't score next match? That's not how it works

Seeing as you avoided the question, I'll answer it for you - one goal in 10 matches in the prem.

He is a legend, but he's passed it and needs to be dropped that much is obvious to anyone with eyes.

crossy1686 · Nov 6, 2022

Spark said:
Seeing as you avoided the question, I'll answer it for you - one goal in 10 matches in the prem.

He is a legend, but he's passed it and needs to be dropped that much is obvious to anyone with eyes.

Okay, but he's scored 700 before that. He will score again and it could have been today so it's worth leaving him on when chasing a goal.

I personally don't consider him a legend of United but obviously of the game. If dropping him makes him less sharp it's not worth it when we need him to find form and score goals.

AndySmith1990 · Nov 6, 2022

crossy1686 said:
Okay, but he's scored 700 before that. He will score again and it could have been today so it's worth leaving him on when chasing a goal.

I personally don't consider him a legend of United but obviously of the game. If dropping him makes him less sharp it's not worth it when we need him to find form and score goals.

At 37 it's irrelevant to us how many goals he's scored in the past. How many is he scoring now and how many is he likely to score in future is all we should care about

crossy1686 · Nov 6, 2022

AndySmith1990 said:
At 37 it's irrelevant to us how many goals he's scored in the past. How many is he scoring now and how many is he likely to score in future is all we should care about

It's super important he scores a lot of goals between now and January so we should be pretty invested in his near term future and how it pans out for him.

Wing Attack Plan R · Nov 6, 2022

sdb4884 said:
Bet you he's next cab off the rank for a start

I’ve been thinking about your comment for half an hour and I still don’t understand. Throw me a clue?

Wing Attack Plan R · Nov 6, 2022

crossy1686 said:
It's super important he scores a lot of goals between now and January so we should be pretty invested in his near term future and how it pans out for him.

Please give it a rest. You’re liable to hurt yourself if you keep going like this.

crossy1686 · Nov 6, 2022

Wing Attack Plan R said:
Please give it a rest. You’re liable to hurt yourself if you keep going like this.

What an incredibly weird thing to say

Spark · Nov 6, 2022

crossy1686 said:
Okay, but he's scored 700 before that. He will score again and it could have been today so it's worth leaving him on when chasing a goal.

I personally don't consider him a legend of United but obviously of the game. If dropping him makes him less sharp it's not worth it when we need him to find form and score goals.

crossy1686 said:
It's super important he scores a lot of goals between now and January so we should be pretty invested in his near term future and how it pans out for him.

Not sure if you're taking the piss to be honest. He isn't going to find form, he isn't going to score heaps of goals, he's proven that this season.

He missed an absolute sitter today and has missed sitters throughout the season. We need to cut our losses with him and that starts by dropping him and eventually getting rid. Starts with him being on the bench, where he belongs (injuries permitting). Hopefully we grab a striker in Jan, absolutely crucial.

Andre Kagawa · Nov 6, 2022

It should be said, though, that Villa has a really good team going on. Should be higher up the table.

MUFC OK · Nov 6, 2022

Andre Kagawa said:
It should be said, though, that Villa has a really good team going on. Should be higher up the table.

Everyone has their day in the sun against us, or so it feels. Shades of last season today.

MUFC OK · Nov 6, 2022

nakpodiareuben said:
We will now beat them maybe 4:0. That is always the story of such consecutive games

We can’t beat anyone 4-0. You would have to score four times in one game to achieve that.

Frank Grimes · Nov 6, 2022

3rd Villa goal killed it. So open when there was 45 minutes left. Unnecessary.

MrSingh2002 · Nov 6, 2022

Nou_Camp99 said:
We'd be bottom half of the league without him. This fanbase is so strange. The 37 year old upfront is the real joke.

They both are. One from lack of youth and another for lack of mentality.

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