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    RedPed

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    So you’re saying he’s having to “dumb down” to Uniteds standards when he’s been playing for Arsenal who are clearly having a poorer season than we are and playing with the likes of Pogba, lukaku, Martial, Matic, De Gea is worse than lacazette, Ramsey, Ozil, Bellerin, Xhaka. Doesn’t really add up for me but you crack on.
    Have you been watching him play? He's always been used to direct attacking play, which for most parts Arsenal were good at, which is why he was usually at the end of a goal or able to create his own.

    Several times I've seen him gesturing at the United players to push the ball forward and attack or create runs for himself. In the first couple of games he played, he was head and shoulders above the rest of the squad for intensity and pressing. He just made the team look average in comparison.

    People have been slating Pogba, Martial and Lukaku on here left, right and centre so don't be making out they've been world beaters.

    All I'm saying is I just hope that he doesn't lose that intensity that made him such a class player at Arsenal. It's early days yet, but we all had so much hope when he signed for us.
     

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    Monday night games, always have a bad feeling about them.

    But there really are no valid reasons to be negative. Palace are shite, have a tonne of players injured, may have only lost 0-1 to Spurs but it should have been 4 or 5 easily, they offered nothing.

    If we don't get a result it will be because we don't turn up. We don't have the greatest away record this season but I would hope the win against Chelsea should get us going, if that can't then we really don't deserve top 4.
     

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    Why?? He's been one of our better players and is having to 'dumb down' to get to the current level of this United team rather than them matching his intensity and raising their game. He needs to start.
    Sanchez has been one of our worst performers since coming in. Stop with that "dumb down" nonsense.

    He isn't on some imaginary different level compared to everyone else. He hasn't even performed up to his normal standard since coming in. If anything everyone from manager and fans have been tolarating his lackluster displays so far(understandably).
     

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    Since there's no need for rotation motivated by rest (and even the Liverpool game is 5 days away), shall we see our proper first team now or are one or two fringe players like Bailly, Shaw, Carrick, Lingard, Mata and Rashford getting a chance to play, in what looks like the easier of the next three games?
     

    RedRom

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    Since there's no need for rotation motivated by rest (and even the Liverpool game is 5 days away), shall we see our proper first team now or are one or two fringe players like Bailly, Shaw, Carrick, Lingard, Mata and Rashford getting a chance to play, in what looks like the easier of the next three games?
    How are you classifying those players as fringe ones?
     

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    We need to start fast, don't let the crowd get into it and kill any hope they have.

    If we let them grow into the game things could get a bit sticky, but I think if we score early they'll wilt.
     

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    How are you classifying those players as fringe ones?
    You've done it now @Android1974 , calling Lingard a fringe player!
    edit - although you've also quoted Bailly as fringe? No way!
    Probably not a good word to pick, ‘fringe’ (English is not my first language). I meant players who aren't starting most games lately, specially with the new midfield three (although Mata kind of is).
     

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    Right, now that we have heroically beaten Chelsea, time to pay some attention to that shite away form.

    Palace will set up well. Going to be the usual chore to get that first goal, but hopefully Lukaku is able to live up to his flat track bully name, now that he delivered in a big game.
     

    RedRom

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    You've done it now @Android1974 , calling Lingard a fringe player!
    edit - although you've also quoted Bailly as fringe? No way!
    Not just our most influential midfielder in Lingard, but also our best centreback in Bailly!!

    Next de Gea will be classified as fringe!
     

    RedRom

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    Probably not a good word to pick, ‘fringe’ (English is not my first language). I meant players who aren't starting most games lately, specially with the new midfield three (although Mata is).
    Ahh, okay, since English is not your first language, you will get a pass!

    Lingard, and Bailly are two of our most important players so they be thought of on similar lines to de Gea.
     

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    Have you been watching him play? He's always been used to direct attacking play, which for most parts Arsenal were good at, which is why he was usually at the end of a goal or able to create his own.

    Several times I've seen him gesturing at the United players to push the ball forward and attack or create runs for himself. In the first couple of games he played, he was head and shoulders above the rest of the squad for intensity and pressing. He just made the team look average in comparison.

    People have been slating Pogba, Martial and Lukaku on here left, right and centre so don't be making out they've been world beaters.

    All I'm saying is I just hope that he doesn't lose that intensity that made him such a class player at Arsenal. It's early days yet, but we all had so much hope when he signed for us.
    Yes I’ve been watching him play, it’s early days and he’ll need time to get used formation/tactics/team mates etc but he ain’t been pulling up any trees.

    And for me that gesturing is not a great way to ingratiate yourself with your new team mates, sort your own shit out before trying to sort out other peoples shit, at least that’s what I think.

    And I don’t think that Pogba, Martial etc are world beaters...yet but quite frankly people on here slagging off players at United is hardly a yard stick to go by when judging their ability.
     

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    Ahh, okay, since English is not your first language, you will get a pass!

    Lingard, and Bailly are two of our most important players so they be thought of on similar lines to de Gea.

    His point was that Lingard was a 'fringe' player based on the fact he currently isn't a constant first XI player. Given that definition he's perfectly correct. De Gea is the first name on the team sheet, both figuratively and, given his position, literally. So he is not in the same category as someone who hasn't started the last three games. Also his English is better than yours. Or so they be saying.
     

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    I've been to a few Palace games this season, and they do play some bad football. Zaha doesn't defend much so we should exploit that by playing Shaw and have him bomb on to support/provide a wide outlet for Sanchez against they're right back.

    Their goalie is pretty suspect and doesn't like crosses, so put a few in for Lukaku to head and we should have some joy.

    Benteke doesn't do much but he is a big lump, so we should make sure he doesn't get the time to hold up the ball and wait for support.

    They do grind out results and have a back 4 and midfield 4 who play closely together, so trying to go through the middle is a problem and should be avoided.
     

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    DDG
    Valencia Smalling Lindelof Shaw
    McTominay Matic
    Sanchez Pogba
    Lukaku Martial
     

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    I've been to a few Palace games this season, and they do play some bad football. Zaha doesn't defend much so we should exploit that by playing Shaw and have him bomb on to support/provide a wide outlet for Sanchez against they're right back.

    Their goalie is pretty suspect and doesn't like crosses, so put a few in for Lukaku to head and we should have some joy.

    Benteke doesn't do much but he is a big lump, so we should make sure he doesn't get the time to hold up the ball and wait for support.

    They do grind out results and have a back 4 and midfield 4 who play closely together, so trying to go through the middle is a problem and should be avoided.
    I think it'll come down to who wants it more. If they play like a team possessed and we underestimate the predicament they're in, we'll suffer. With the Shaw-Zaha bit, it also works conversely, Young is a bit more positionally disciplined and Zaha is by far their best player and will no doubt be up for it, if he's passed fit.

    I hope we lineup with the same team again, bar a change at centre of defense with Bailly in for Smalling, building up match fitness for the Liverpool game.
     

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    I think it'll come down to who wants it more. If they play like a team possessed and we underestimate the predicament they're in, we'll suffer. With the Shaw-Zaha bit, it also works conversely, Young is a bit more positionally disciplined and Zaha is by far their best player and will no doubt be up for it, if he's passed fit.

    I hope we lineup with the same team again, bar a change at centre of defense with Bailly in for Smalling, building up match fitness for the Liverpool game.
    What about Lingard would you not start him?
     

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    What about Lingard would you not start him?
    It's maybe harsh, and I really rate him, but I think we need to give this starting 11 more of a chance, where Martial starts on the left and Sanchez is further out right, albeit drifting.
     

    RedRom

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    It's maybe harsh, and I really rate him, but I think we need to give this starting 11 more of a chance, where Martial starts on the left and Sanchez is further out right, albeit drifting.
    Lingard is our second highest scoring player this season, so if we want goals from our team, and presumably we do, then surely it makes sense to start those that have them?
     

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    Lingard is our second highest scoring player this season, so if we want goals from our team, and presumably we do, then surely it makes sense to start those that have them?
    You're not the only Lingard lover on the Caf though I do see you are president of the fan club :D I just think the team that appears to be the best eleven for 433 (though swapping Smalling out for Bailly) should get some time to gel. We really lack consistency. Lingard is playing better than Sanchez, that doesn't mean that going into the business end of the season the best idea is to drop Sanchez for Lingard is it. Fair enough if people feel Lingard has to play, I'm more concerned with our best players starting gel now that we might be going with a more solid midfield. Lingard from the bench is certainly not a bad option..
     

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    When last did we put a team to the sword?
    Have we won any game comfortably this year?
     

    RedRom

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    You're not the only Lingard lover on the Caf though I do see you are president of the fan club :D I just think the team that appears to be the best eleven for 433 (though swapping Smalling out for Bailly) should get some time to gel. We really lack consistency. Lingard is playing better than Sanchez, that doesn't mean that going into the business end of the season the best idea is to drop Sanchez for Lingard is it. Fair enough if people feel Lingard has to play, I'm more concerned with our best players starting gel now that we might be going with a more solid midfield. Lingard from the bench is certainly not a bad option..
    I would far prefer to see the best team play, and start matches, rather than playing certain better individuals.
    Is Sanchez overall a better player than Lingard, yes he is, but has he done enough with us, to be in front of Lingard, no, he most certainly has not.
    If anyone should be on the bench out of those two, then it should be Sanchez, he should have to earn his way into the team, same as everyone else.
    Lingard has worked very hard to get where he is currently,and that should be rewarded.
     

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    I genuinely think from this game onwards we will see better football, closer in quality to the 2nd half against Chelsea, Sanchez will fit in better, Pogba slowly getting back on form, Eric being back and maybe just maybe having found the right system, things could actually look better on the pitch.
    I don't care that much that we play 'dire' footy, but i want all this whining from the fans to stop.
     

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    Not just our most influential midfielder in Lingard, but also our best centreback in Bailly!!
    Lingard, and Bailly are two of our most important players so they be thought of on similar lines to de Gea.
    How can you drop or not play Lingard after his goalscoring display in our last match??
    What about Lingard would you not start him?
    Lingard is our second highest scoring player this season
    I actually agree with you, but bloody hell this is getting old...
     

    RedRom

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    I actually agree with you, but bloody hell this is getting old...
    Fair enough, it is somewhat puzzling thought that our second highest scoring player is not worthy of starting in a fair few people's teams.
    I wonder what more he would have to do in order to be seen as a must start player, similar say to de Gea or Lukaku?
     

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    I believe too much rotation is not helping us atm. So, I will keep the team as much unchanged from the team that started in Chelsea. Probably, just bring in Shaw and bailly for Young and Lindelof.

    ------------------DDG--------------------
    Valencia-----Bailly------Smalling-----Shaw
    ----McTominay-----Matic-------Pogba-----
    ----Sanchez-------Lukaku---------Martial
     

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    When last did we put a team to the sword?
    Have we won any game comfortably this year?
    3nil against Stoke, quite comfortable win i'd say, although Stoke are hopeless..
     

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    I believe too much rotation is not helping us atm. So, I will keep the team as much unchanged from the team that started in Chelsea. Probably, just bring in Shaw and bailly for Young and Lindelof.

    ------------------DDG--------------------
    Valencia-----Bailly------Smalling-----Shaw
    ----McTominay-----Matic-------Pogba-----
    ----Sanchez-------Lukaku---------Martial
    No second highest goalscorer in your team, why would that be?
     

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    I see nearly everyone has picked Shaw to start this one, if he doesn't start this game then i really dont know if he will ever start again, I am almost certain Young is gonna start against both Liverpool and Sevilla so..
     

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    No second highest goalscorer in your team, why would that be?
    Did you read the whole post. It started off with "Too much rotation is not helping.." That's the reason. Same as what I said. I accept your opinion, and I think it's very valid, but it's not the only one.
     

    Swift Football

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    No second highest goalscorer in your team, why would that be?
    Because he has not been starting recently and also been doing good coming off the bench.
    I feel Lukaku--Sanchez---Martial is going to be our attacking lineup typically and I want these 3 to play together to develop chemistry among them.
     

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    In those kind of games we need a 4-0 performance like we had a few at the beginning of the season. Playing to our strength, feeling confident, save at the back and kill the game as soon as the opponent shows any weakness.
    I´d hate to see another energy-saving, uninspired, unmotivated away performance with wasted changes due to a lack of concentration. I also don´t like to start slow. Have a go at them from the very first minute, let Pogba deliver his chips and passes, let Sanchez run at their defenders at every opportunity, be aggressive and rude at set pieces. Score 2 at least and THEN start the slowing down tactics stuff.
     

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    I want to us see us smash a team and have proper fun like a 5-0 result. We have the players to seriously hurt teams and go for the kill but Jose will be content with just the 3 points even if it's a boring game.
     

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    If we start McTominay in 4-3-3, I'm predicting a half-time change of Lingard or Mata for him, after we fail to break Palace's two lines of four barrier.
     

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    Lingard is our second highest scoring player this season, so if we want goals from our team, and presumably we do, then surely it makes sense to start those that have them?
    Lingard should do well against CP.
    I'd play him for the start and tell him to receive the ball in an advanced area, then run hard at the defence. They'll piss their pants when they see him running at them, at pace.
    This is exactly the sort of team against which he can score a Messi type goal.

    Against the very best defenders, who tend to keep their cool and either tackle or foul him before he gets his shot off, his ability to go through an entire defence is neutralised.
     

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    Fair enough, it is somewhat puzzling thought that our second highest scoring player is not worthy of starting in a fair few people's teams.
    I wonder what more he would have to do in order to be seen as a must start player, similar say to de Gea or Lukaku?
    I would say, around here, he would have to leave the club, then be bought back for over £150M, then he would be considered must start. Sadly it has nothing to do with team contribution, just player value ratings.
     

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    In those kind of games we need a 4-0 performance like we had a few at the beginning of the season. Playing to our strength, feeling confident, save at the back and kill the game as soon as the opponent shows any weakness.
    I´d hate to see another energy-saving, uninspired, unmotivated away performance with wasted changes due to a lack of concentration. I also don´t like to start slow. Have a go at them from the very first minute, let Pogba deliver his chips and passes, let Sanchez run at their defenders at every opportunity, be aggressive and rude at set pieces. Score 2 at least and THEN start the slowing down tactics stuff.
    You picked up on something there.
    "Starting off slow".
    I actually think that this is by design. Perhaps Jose wants us to play slowly to conserve energy (with important games coming up). If we need to score, we tend to do so in the 2nd half. Sometimes in the last 10 minutes. I've also noticed that our team tends to cover less distance, than any of our rivals. Consistently, our players run less.

    Realistically, I can see another "energy-saving" performance, where we win 1-0 or 2-0....or even 0-0 (shivers).
     

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    I want to us see us smash a team and have proper fun like a 5-0 result. We have the players to seriously hurt teams and go for the kill but Jose will be content with just the 3 points even if it's a boring game.
    Agreed on all points.
    Who says that MUFC fans and MCFC fans can't agree on things :p
     
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