Crystal Palace 0:0 Manchester United

Bruno8 · Oct 31, 2015

We copped well with Palace's route one foot in second half

manichester · Oct 31, 2015

Rooney used to remind people of a cartoon character what was it now Shirk. Lucky to get a point today out muscled for most of the game.

Owngoalscorer · Oct 31, 2015

Pentame said:
For who? Who do you want to replace him?

Anybody right now.
Lets face it being a football manager is not such a difficult job - i don't know how about 40% of managers in the football league even got to where they are.. because they're ex-players is their only qualification - bit like pundits. Most of em are as thick as pigshit
Get a proper manager in there

pacifictheme · Oct 31, 2015

Dobbs said:
I don't think many of them have the ability to take a risk. We've started with one player who can beat people.

True, but we don't commit players at all. Defending teams can hold shape too easily. Such a lack of movement...

Inigo Montoya · Oct 31, 2015

How the scousers must be loving this page :rolleyes:

I'm off to the rugby

Spock · Oct 31, 2015

We compete for a prem trophy, nothing less. This is nowhere near the kind of performance expected of a club with our aspiration.

Shit happens, of course. Leicester City, Arsenal, even boro. But Palace are not a club we should be dropping points to in this fashion.

manufanatic · Oct 31, 2015

Januzaj11 said:
We haven't play swashbuckling football since 2009. People wearing rose-tinted glasses.

We can't expect so much literally one year on since finishing 7th. Title challenge is a realistic aim this season.

I forgot how hysterical the match threads are.

I agree to a point. But as a supporter for 35 years we are playing crap attacking play. It's obvious

Fergies Formula · Oct 31, 2015

What does Ryan Giggs think about this approach to our football?

kopviolator · Oct 31, 2015

Great result on a difficult pitch. Another clean sheet we can build on. Rooney finding his form is a bonus.

Aussie_Red_Devil · Oct 31, 2015

Jippy said:
Yep and Anderson v Whitlock was a blinder.

Come on the wizard hsha

minoo-utd · Oct 31, 2015

Only one shot on target. What kind of philosophy that is? I'm done with this.

walkinhop · Oct 31, 2015

Januzaj11 said:
Your reading comprehension is lacking.

Are you trolling or are you that limited?

You are telling me that even though people doubted Sir Alex, he turned out to be amazing? What you are missing is the ultra-low probability for this to happen again.

Also, the reason i am tired of LvG are not incidents. Not different mistakes or one-time scuffs. I am afraid of the Patterns, with capital P, which have emerged. It is very easy to be positive after Moyes in terms of results. We have obviously become more stable. However, now that this is the case, the next step should be to challenge for trophies, score goals, play better football.

The only reason we might challenge for the League is its dire state.
The loss against Boro showed many problems and was another chance at a trophy gone.
The football has been dire. I don't mind possession football but we don't create chances, game after game. We have scored a sad amount of goals.
LvG doesn't drop Rooney even though everyone and their pet mouse can see he is holding us back.

These are patterns I have recognized. Am i wrong? Forget about the individual games for a moment and tell me why shouldn't i be tired of him?

wiz4231 · Oct 31, 2015

Embarrassing.

sticky · Oct 31, 2015

I think the "attack" chants will be loud and clear from the start on Tuesday night.

Maccaa · Oct 31, 2015

LvG goes on about how he isn't afraid too drop anyone but he is seriously contradicting himself with the Rooney saga. I love the guy for what he's done for the club whilst he's been here but he seriously needs benching. Just doesn't look interested one bit.

Gopher Brown · Oct 31, 2015

Inigo Montoya said:
That's a ridiculous statement at this stage. Arsenal have given Wenger more time than any manager and he hasn't won the PL in more than 10 years. But you want to sack LVG into a rebuliding phase? Tripe post

I'm not saying we should sack him, but how long should this 'rebuilding phase' last exactly?

Gopher Brown · Oct 31, 2015

Owngoalscorer said:
Anybody right now.
Lets face it being a football manager is not such a difficult job - i don't know how about 40% of managers in the football league even got to where they are.. because they're ex-players is their only qualification - bit like pundits. Most of em are as thick as pigshit
Get a proper manager in there

David Moyes is probably available...

sticky · Oct 31, 2015

LVG will probably whine again in his interview about needing more pacy, creative players. What is the point when he couldn't wait to get rid of our most creative player in Di Maria. He should be in this team right now.

Scorpy · Oct 31, 2015

This was way worse than the Newcastle game. At least in the Newcastle game there was some hope we'd score, we even hit the post in the end of the game. Today was just utter fecking shit. We never looked like scoring and probably should have lost the game as Palace had more and much better chances. We were absolutely shit in attack, it was just pointless passing between Smalling, Blind and Schneiderlin. Most of the times we were passing it at the back for minutes just to lose it immediately after even attempting to go forwards.

Utter garbage, it was painful to watch. The lack of pressing is infuriating as well. We just let them pass it back all the time without even attempting to force their mistakes. We didn't even press with 20 minutes to go as if we were leading 3-0. Where's the desire ffs?

DomesticTadpole · Oct 31, 2015

Fergies Formula said:
What does Ryan Giggs think about this approach to our football?

He'll be texting Scholes so you'll find out soon.

Duafc · Oct 31, 2015

Inigo Montoya said:
That's a ridiculous statement at this stage. Arsenal have given Wenger more time than any manager and he hasn't won the PL in more than 10 years. But you want to sack LVG into a rebuliding phase? Tripe post

So you think modelling ourselves on Arsenal is a good idea?

We don't even show a tenth of their quality or invention so what on earth would that actually look like?

If there were signs of progression (excluding a false and perilous league position) I'd perhaps not be so cut throat but to be honest I'm sick of it.

I dislike watching this united side.. It's both sad and frustrating. I find myself either playing on my phone for 10 minutes from sheer boredom or tearing my hair out at the total lack of ideas or leadership.

I think he has steadied the ship but we won't win things playing football like this and it isn't down to personel, we have as good a squad as almost all the top teams.

He limits us and sits 10 rows back with a notepad.

It's damming and the worst part is nothing is seemingly being done to address literally the most obvious issue in the world.

We trudge on with the same insipid, slow, risk averse, kill yourself football. Call it knee jerk or whatever you like from the high horse but I've been as optimistic as anyone... When you find yourself disliking the team and wanting not to watch then you have a big problem.

walkinhop · Oct 31, 2015

Randall Flagg said:
People keep saying this

No it was not typical, it happens yes but not that often each season

Whereas nowadays it's becoming the norm

That's the difference

I he trying to play the Fergie card with you too?

Dobbs · Oct 31, 2015

nokillingmoths said:
True, but we don't commit players at all. Defending teams can hold shape too easily. Such a lack of movement...

Who in our team can commit the opponents? We have a team full of one paced players. This is why I don't blame tactics or systems. We just don't have the playing talent to disrupt the opposition.

That's what I criticise LvG for. Right now none of his attacking signings have worked out. The only exception being Martial who will at some point look like a 19 year old.

Fergies Formula · Oct 31, 2015

Duafc said:
So you think modelling ourselves on Arsenal is a good idea?

We don't even show a tenth of their quality or invention so what on earth would that actually look like?

If there were signs of progression (excluding a false and perilous league position) I'd perhaps not be so cut throat but to be honest I'm sick of it.

I dislike watching this united side.. It's both sad and frustrating. I find myself either playing on my phone for 10 minutes from sheer boredom or tearing my hair out at the total lack of ideas or leadership.

I think he has steadied the ship but we won't win things playing football like this and it isn't down to personel, we have as good a squad as almost all the top teams.

He limits us and sits 10 rows back with a notepad.

It's damming and the worst part is nothing is seemingly being done to address literally the most obvious issue in the world.

We trudge on with the same insipid, slow, risk averse, kill yourself football. Call it knee jerk or whatever you like from the high horse but I've been as optimistic as anyone... When you find yourself disliking the team and wanting not to watch then you have a big problem.

Great post, I actually dont enjoy watching us play anymore which is a sad truth.

Januzaj11 · Oct 31, 2015

walkinhop said:
The only reason we might challenge for the League is its dire state.

That line has been wheeled out by opposition fans literally every year we've done well in the league since 1991.

Look, Like I said, We haven't play swashbuckling football since 2009. People wearing rose-tinted glasses. And I don't think it is realistic to expect so much literally one year on since finishing 7th. Title challenge for me is a realistic aim this season.

DevilRed · Oct 31, 2015

Januzaj11 said:
Just look at the most important stat. Points.

2 points off top.

No. 4 off the top but also only 4 in front of spurs and the dippers.

Jippy · Oct 31, 2015

Aussie_Red_Devil said:
Come on the wizard hsha

He was unlucky, played well but lost 10-7. Or 10-8. Got a cold and concentration shot.

Januzaj11 · Oct 31, 2015

Duafc said:

Pretty obvious we are going to have higher % of passes in the defensive third as it is primarily a defensive tactic. Guardiola would have the same stats.

And Passes per anything, will also always be low because we have higher number of passes than anyone. Same would happen with Guardiola.

People really are so easily misled. That's being nice.

christinaa · Oct 31, 2015

It's official - we now have the most boring tactics in our history thanks to LVG!

He sold all our strikers and left us with Rooney/Fellaini and he bought Martial who he then plays on the wing! I mean Martial is the only player who shows that he may score.

Except for a first half Herrera chance and another second half Martial chance we did absolutely nothing.

For heaven's sake this was Crystal Palace!!

This philosophy stuff from LVG is a load of bull and I think that most of us have better ideas how our team should play - Paul Scholes hit the nail on the head.

I hope and pray that LVG buys a couple of good players in the January transfer window or we stand no chance of CL football next year and i'll be glad to see the back of him.

And I'm not writing this in the heat of the moment but - WE REALLY HAVE BECOME BORING!

Duafc · Oct 31, 2015

Januzaj11 said:
Pretty obvious we are going to have higher % of passes in the defensive third as it is primarily a defensive tactic. Guardiola would have the same stats.

And Passes per anything, will also always be low because we have higher number of passes than anyone. Same would happen with Guardiola.

People really are so easily misled. That's being nice.

Yeah, silly me.

Taking the stats out of it then - we create close to nothing and are dreadfully boring to watch - disagree?

Because if you enjoy the kind of football being served up this season then you're a sadist.

Way to quote one part of a post though.

walkinhop · Oct 31, 2015

Januzaj11 said:
That line has been wheeled out by opposition fans literally every year we've done well in the league since 1991.

Look, Like I said, We haven't play swashbuckling football since 2009. People wearing rose-tinted glasses. And I don't think it is realistic to expect so much literally one year on since finishing 7th. Title challenge for me is a realistic aim this season.

We can't create or score! Forget the results, i told you once. Watch the football. I am not saying we should be winning every game. The football is bad, game in game out. I don't expect swashbuckling football either but there is a middle ground and we aint even there. I am done with you cuz you don't respect the facts and rather beat around the bush. Take your moral high ground and stay there.

Januzaj11 · Oct 31, 2015

walkinhop said:
I don't expect swashbuckling football either but there is a middle ground and we aint even there.

Fact is we are 4 points of top with our hard run of fixtures over, and having played more away games than home.

Lovely Jubbly.

walkinhop · Oct 31, 2015

Januzaj11 said:
Fact is we are 4 points of top with our hard run of fixtures over, and having played more away games than home.

Lovely Jubbly.

Again choosing to not face what i said but rather give a pointless current table to support your non-argument. This is what i have to say - LvG has done a good job at picking us up from Moyes. He has stabilized us but i am afraid he might be too stubborn to take us forward. Obvious issues are not being addressed and given his experience with Barca and Bayern, as opposed to Fergie when he came, this is not easily excusable.

Now, I am done with you boy. Go back to the newbies and come back when you can have a proper debate, rather than just avoid what is thrown at you.

Macern · Oct 31, 2015

Owngoalscorer said:
Anybody right now.
Lets face it being a football manager is not such a difficult job - i don't know how about 40% of managers in the football league even got to where they are.. because they're ex-players is their only qualification - bit like pundits. Most of em are as thick as pigshit
Get a proper manager in there

Uh what? That's mental.

Owngoalscorer · Oct 31, 2015

Pentame said:
Uh what? That's mental.

Mental - right
Most footballers are muppets and the same goes for your average manager - LvG is no exception.
Can you imaging this man managing a top company in any other field - he'd be fired in a week

glazed · Oct 31, 2015

Fergies Formula said:
What does Ryan Giggs think about this approach to our football?

You could kind of see on his face in one of the cutaways that he wanted to leap across the dugout and punch LVG in the chops. I think maybe Scholes is saying what Giggs is thinking.

Sigma · Oct 31, 2015

JohnnyLaw said:
Easily the worst game of the season for me.. Fecking shite.

Middlesborough was at least on par with this maybe even worse.

Rednotdead · Oct 31, 2015

Januzaj11 said:
Pretty obvious we are going to have higher % of passes in the defensive third as it is primarily a defensive tactic. Guardiola would have the same stats.

And Passes per anything, will also always be low because we have higher number of passes than anyone. Same would happen with Guardiola.

People really are so easily misled. That's being nice.

And the 74 shots -18th place - presumably you can invent an excuse for that?

Macern · Oct 31, 2015

Owngoalscorer said:
Mental - right
Most footballers are muppets and the same goes for your average manager - LvG is no exception.
Can you imaging this man managing a top company in any other field - he'd be fired in a week

You should educate yourself a bit on him before blabbering bullshit. You can start with this or this where you'll see glimpses of his professionalism, skill level and attention to detail.

Januzaj11 · Oct 31, 2015

Rednotdead said:
And the 74 shots -18th place - presumably you can invent an excuse for that?

It doesn't take a genius to realise we only take shots when we are in very good positions, which is why our shot conversion % is the highest in the league.

Regardless, only one stat matters. Points. And we are 4 points off top with our hard run of fixtures over, and having played more away games than home.

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