Manchester City 1:0 Manchester United

Sied · Nov 2, 2014

Shark said:
You'd have bitten a hand off for a loss?

At the end of the day, we still got feck all from the game.

Yea I'd have bitten your hand off for losing 1-0 rather than taking another embarrassing, morale shattering, battering from our rivals. Wouldn't you?

BARBY BOY · Nov 2, 2014

To be fair to smalling he was playing alright until he decides to get himself that yellow thing from the referee pockets, a mistake that cost us a point or three, but its not the end of the world, hope lvg have one them hair dryers tune to the max.

hbgreg · Nov 2, 2014

Offside said:
Are we going to beat Arsenal in 2 weeks then?

In 3 weeks.

Shui_utd · Nov 2, 2014

We are not playing any CL or COC games, we should be thinking about how to win against City all month! Now you say because the performance is good a loss is acceptable?

To me this is a big failure for LvG all in all. Results are the ultimate standard to judge his performance. You cannot forgive yourself losing to big teams while you could not win against weak teams.
I just cannot take the bs that "if we were lucky we would have won" thing. Were we champions because we were lucky?

Being "unlucky" to not put the ball into the net is a failure. That costs the job of any manager in the football world.

Why should we obtain fewer points comparing to Southampton, while we have better players and supposedly better manager? LvG is doing an absolutely bad job.

Redlyn · Nov 2, 2014

pauldyson1uk said:
because football is not always about winning, its about the way we play after losing a man and a goal, we was at times stunning after going behind and fought more and looked like we wanted a result, we dont always see that, yes it was a defeat but sometimes good things come out of defeat, remmember a few season ago , City beat us and we come back from that and went on a winning streak.

Yes if its about "the way we play" then its PERFORMANCE. I agree , i am happy with the way we played and responded. So, yes, decent performance. But what is a result? WIN LOSS DRAW. Sorry but a league loss (to our rivals no less ) cannot be a decent RESULT.

R3D-D3V1L · Nov 2, 2014

17 Van Der Gouw said:
Kidding right?

Nop, i had way more fun playing fifa with an actual defense and winning games.

Mato87 · Nov 2, 2014

RyRy11 said:
They should of had 2 or 3 penalties and Rojo should have been sent off. We had most of the decisions thrown our way today and that's why we didn't loose by 3+ goals today.

No I don't think so, neither of those three penalty calls were fouls, the first fellaini one was only a minor bump on aguero's heel, the second one at the end of 1st half from Rojo was never a foul and that dive near 50th minute by that odious cnut aguero was not a foul too. So where are those 2 or 3 penalties that you're talking about?

RyRy11 · Nov 2, 2014

Mato87 said:
No I don't think so, neither of those three penalty calls were fouls, the first fellaini one was only a minor bump on aguero's heel, the second one at the end of 1st half from Rojo was never a foul and that dive near 50th minute by that odious cnut aguero was not a foul too. So where are those 2 or 3 penalties that you're talking about?

Yeah and the fact you called Aguero and 'Odious cnut' proves you are not completely biased at all :rolleyes:

you cannot argue with the first two so take your rose tinted spectacles off please and do everyone a favour.

Ole Gunner Scholes · Nov 2, 2014

I thought losing to city away was a given before the season started.

we lost 1-0 even down after being down to 10 men. It's no as bad as people are trying to project it.

Ole Gunner Scholes · Nov 2, 2014

Yes city would could have had 1 penalty, but thyen Zabaletta, Hart & Demichiles could have had not stayed on the pitch either.

tombombadil · Nov 2, 2014

Seriously, guys. Calm down. It's bad to lose to City, but considering we played with 10 men and 2 midfielders (one of whom is a 19 year old playing only his 3rd game for United) in centerback, the result isn't as bad as some people will have you think.

Bad luck or moment of insanity from Smalling, I don't know what to call it. The fact is, the odds were stacked against us before the game started and we were never going to get much from it after Smalling got sent off. Considering the team performed and responded admirably to being 10 men down, I think that's all we can take away from this.

red_devil83 · Nov 2, 2014

A lot of negativity on here. I thought we did well with 10. I feel we could've won with 11. Yea, they had a couple of not given pens, but they also had a lot of not given yellow's early on. Disappointed with the result but I thought we played well. A pleasing assault on them at the end even if it came to nothing. Not too bad all things considered.

Mato87 · Nov 2, 2014

RyRy11 said:
Yeah and the fact you called Aguero and 'Odious cnut' proves you are not completely biased at all you cannot argue with the first two so take your rose tinted spectacles off please and do everyone a favour.

Why so bitter, are you a citeh supporter? Again, did the ref blow his whistle after your two beloved penalty decisions? Were those penalties? No they were not. Case closed.

HeatSikhingMissile · Nov 2, 2014

Van Gaal got it wrong today.

I can't blame him for Smalling's incompetence but there are several issues that struck me that need fixing over the short and long term upto next summer window

1. The formation. I cannot understand why he's deviating from the diamond; it makes no sense at all especially when you consider:

Janujaz is not a winger. He's a number 10. Simple as that. He demonstrated that last week and today, on the wing he always runs out of space and then tries to do something impractical by himself.

Di Maria is also not as effective on the wing. He's playing poor because of his position not because of bad form. And yes the position makes a huge difference, no arguments. Play him centrally.

Rooney was good today in the 2nd half but his work rate suffered today

You'd think then that he'd play the diamond putting Di Maria in the middle, Rooney as a striker and Janujaz behind him. What he did makes no sense

2. The approach: IMHO we should've gone for the explosive start for first 10 mind to really unsettle City. Obviously the approach had to change to defensive once that clown got sent off but our defenders are trying to physically work harder and press instead of being smarter and anticipating the game.

3. We need a new striker with strength and pace. Sorry but Falcao hasn't had the impact he should have had and is injury prone. I don't think we should sign him for such an expensive fee and wages which should be spent on another striker. Rvp played well today when he did get the ball but lacks pace and it's costing us, on the counter and also from playing direct through balls. When's the last time we could consistently play a ball through a defence for the striker to latch onto and finish? This is one purchase for the summer.

4. Rafael is fantastic, but cons outweigh the pros. Not saying we should sell him but I would like us to sign a good rb in his category if not better, gives him competition and cover.

5. Wingers. If you agree di maria and janujaz shouldnt be wingers then: We have no good ones. Part of the reason I think we should stick to the diamond for now. This is tricky because how much more can we spend?

6. box to box. Vital, Strootman, pogba get one in

7. Sell 2 of smalling, Jones and Evans and sign a quality CB. Maybe a lcb aswell for competition to rojo

In effect we could need to spend another 100 million to realistically win the title.

SalfordRed1960 · Nov 2, 2014

Shui_utd said:
We are not playing any CL or COC games, we should be thinking about how to win against City all month! Now you say because the performance is good a loss is acceptable?

To me this is a big failure for LvG all in all. Results are the ultimate standard to judge his performance. You cannot forgive yourself losing to big teams while you could not win against weak teams.
I just cannot take the bs that "if we were lucky we would have won" thing. Were we champions because we were lucky?

Being "unlucky" to not put the ball into the net is a failure. That costs the job of any manager in the football world.

Why should we obtain fewer points comparing to Southampton, while we have better players and supposedly better manager? LvG is doing an absolutely bad job.

RyRy11 · Nov 2, 2014

Mato87 said:
Why so bitter, are you a citeh supporter? Again, did the ref blow his whistle after your two beloved penalty decisions? Were those penalties? No they were not. Case closed.

Nope United fan, from the responses I have seen in this very thread you'd be hard pressed to find many credible people to agree with your view, so I'm not going to sit here all day and argue with someone as biased as yourself. It takes a humbler fan to hold their hands up and concede that we have had a very large rub of the green today.

RyRy11 · Nov 2, 2014

HeatSikhingMissile said:
In effect we could need to spend another 100 million to realistically BUY the title.

Fixed.

But yeah, I agree with most of what you have wrote.

DomesticTadpole · Nov 2, 2014

tombombadil said:
Seriously, guys. Calm down. It's bad to lose to City, but considering we played with 10 men and 2 midfielders (one of whom is a 19 year old playing only his 3rd game for United) in centerback, the result isn't as bad as some people will have you think.

Bad luck or moment of insanity from Smalling, I don't know what to call it. The fact is, the odds were stacked against us before the game started and we were never going to get much from it after Smalling got sent off. Considering the team performed and responded admirably to being 10 men down, I think that's all we can take away from this.

I think people are just upset we lost to City. We have lost to City before and frequently and it will happen again. Lot happier with our performances and the team spirit which was seriously lacking last season. Onwards and upwards, eventually. :lol:

hirotan69er · Nov 2, 2014

Stetcg said:
Needs to play inside to get on the ball more

I agree that ADM should play where he could get the ball...but you know, he played magnificently and created all the goals for Argentina as a right winger against Germany after the World Cup(that 4 - 2 game). So, I do wonder from time to time if it's really where he's playing the problem or is it the tactics?

HeatSikhingMissile · Nov 2, 2014

RyRy11 said:
Fixed.

But yeah, I agree with most of what you have wrote.

It would be buying the title but that's how it goes these days. If we want to win the title we must spend more money

Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Chelsea and Man City are all doing it and they have probably the best 5 squads right now.

Our team is about 1/3 of the quality it needs to be.

DomesticTadpole · Nov 2, 2014

RyRy11 said:
Fixed.

But yeah, I agree with most of what you have wrote.

It could cost us that, it was never going to be done in one season. The side needed ripping to pieces. To taget players and get rid of others takes time. When it is done, we will have one hell of a squad.

Mato87 · Nov 2, 2014

RyRy11 said:
Nope United fan, from the responses I have seen in this very thread you'd be hard pressed to find many credible people to agree with your view, so I'm not going to sit here all day and argue with someone as biased as yourself. It takes a humbler fan to hold their hands up and concede that we have had a very large rub of the green today.

You're not a United fan. You're a citeh fan in disguise. Those were never penalty decisions, even the main referee saw it that way, he should've given both the odious cnutie "who gets away with anything" and that nagging "always out of breath" toure yellow cards for diving. We were the better team today, considering the bad luck we've had with back four from the start of the season constalty having 3 or 4 injured defenders and also considering we played Tony Valencia, who did just come back from injury and who is an orthodox winger playing at RB positio, that is also a sign that LVG had no other option with poorly playing Januzaj being subsituted with yet another player coming from and recoving from a serious injury/operation Carrick. And also considering the fact we played over an hour of game time with 10 men because Smalling had two massive brain farts. I thought we can be heavily disappointed with the loss and zero points, Citeh were there for the taking, scared shitless, we should've scored twice and take home all 3 points.
But that's football, even if you play as good as you can you still go home without any points.

Paul_Scholes18 · Nov 2, 2014

It does show how far we have fallen that we can accept a derby defeat simply because we start to improve now. Van Gaal so far has not been up to standard, but he is at least improving so we should at least give him time until we maybe start to decline again and see how far we get up. With Moyes we just got worse and worse throught all last season pretty much.

HeatSikhingMissile · Nov 2, 2014

hirotan69er said:
I agree that ADM should play where he could get the ball...but you know, he played magnificently and created all the goals for Argentina as a right winger against Germany after the World Cup(that 4 - 2 game). So, I do wonder from time to time if it's really where he's playing the problem or is it the tactics?

It's the nature of the premier league. There's more pressing and wingers get less space on the wing. As Di Maria is only good on his left all he can really do ii cut in which is predictable. Today especially he couldn't get support from valencia because we had to make defending priority.

MrJames · Nov 2, 2014

Disappointing but in comparision to the first few games this season it is so much better.
At least the loss wasn't followed by a manager coming out after the match and saying that city are what we need to be aspiring to. I don't agree with all of the decisions being made by LVG (how he seems to have been the only person in the country who didn't know that we needed new defenders).
LVG is adapting to the league and the team are showing signs that we could start to click in at some point. I'm just hoping it clicks sooner than later and at the moment January can't come quick enough so the defence can b overhauled.

tombombadil · Nov 2, 2014

DomesticTadpole said:
I think people are just upset we lost to City. We have lost to City before and frequently and it will happen again. Lot happier with our performances and the team spirit which was seriously lacking last season. Onwards and upwards, eventually.

We can only hope and continue to show our support. *crosses fingers* :houllier:

RyRy11 · Nov 2, 2014

HeatSikhingMissile said:
It would be buying the title but that's how it goes these days. If we want to win the title we must spend more money

Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Chelsea and Man City are all doing it and they have probably the best 5 squads right now.

Our team is about 1/3 of the quality it needs to be.

DomesticTadpole said:
It could cost us that, it was never going to be done in one season. The side needed ripping to pieces. To target players and get rid of others takes time. When it is done, we will have one hell of a squad.

Sorry it was just a little tongue in cheek humour. I agree, our back four still needs to be addressed because the fact that Valencia is defensive cover for Rafa really doesn't feel me with confidence. It would be nice to promote from within however because Mcnair, Blackett and James to an extend have all impressed most fans. I don't think we can take the approach where we just splash the cash as it doesn't seem fair to me even though we make it all ourselves, its what separates us from the sugar daddy clubs.

Dafydd · Nov 2, 2014

Stuff the performance we lost the game this isn't X Factor. Even LVG is disappointed we didn't win our last three games something has to change and quick.

Shui_utd · Nov 2, 2014

Dafydd said:
Stuff the performance we lost the game this isn't X Factor. Even LVG is disappointed we didn't win our last three games something has to change and quick.

Totally agreed. We need to be getting points or else these "improving" talks are only self deceiving tricks.

HeatSikhingMissile · Nov 2, 2014

RyRy11 said:
Sorry it was just a little tongue in cheek humour. I agree, our back four still needs to be addressed because the fact that Valencia is defensive cover for Rafa really doesn't feel me with confidence. It would be nice to promote from within however because Mcnair, Blackett and James to an extend have all impressed most fans. I don't think we can take the approach where we just splash the cash as it doesn't seem fair to me even though we make it all ourselves, its what separates us from the sugar daddy clubs.

Fair points, but if that's the approach we are to take then some of the fans in here have to accept it could take 2, maybe 3 seasons (including this) to get to where to where we aim to be. For now I think money has been misspent and we deserve to be where we are.

RyRy11 · Nov 2, 2014

HeatSikhingMissile said:
Fair points, but if that's the approach we are to take then some of the fans in here have to accept it could take 2, maybe 3 seasons (including this) to get to where to where we aim to be. For now I think money has been misspent and we deserve to be where we are.

I'd agree it would take 2+ years to win the title but to get into the CL consistently again, I think we can do that right now as long as we start getting the results that we should be getting.

DomesticTadpole · Nov 2, 2014

RyRy11 said:
I'd agree it would take 2+ years to win the title but to get into the CL consistently again, I think we can do that right now as long as we start getting the results that we should be getting.

We were always going to sign Shaw and Herrera, which I am very pleased with. No saying we would have signed Rojo, either if he could have signed better of the fact our CB were always injured, so needs must. Pity Rojo hadn't kicked Aguerro into Row Z before he went off injured. That would be worth seeing.

Louis Van Halen · Nov 2, 2014

HeatSikhingMissile said:
Van Gaal got it wrong today.

I can't blame him for Smalling's incompetence but there are several issues that struck me that need fixing over the short and long term upto next summer window

1. The formation. I cannot understand why he's deviating from the diamond; it makes no sense at all especially when you consider:

Janujaz is not a winger. He's a number 10. Simple as that. He demonstrated that last week and today, on the wing he always runs out of space and then tries to do something impractical by himself.

Di Maria is also not as effective on the wing. He's playing poor because of his position not because of bad form. And yes the position makes a huge difference, no arguments. Play him centrally.

Rooney was good today in the 2nd half but his work rate suffered today

You'd think then that he'd play the diamond putting Di Maria in the middle, Rooney as a striker and Janujaz behind him. What he did makes no sense

2. The approach: IMHO we should've gone for the explosive start for first 10 mind to really unsettle City. Obviously the approach had to change to defensive once that clown got sent off but our defenders are trying to physically work harder and press instead of being smarter and anticipating the game.

3. We need a new striker with strength and pace. Sorry but Falcao hasn't had the impact he should have had and is injury prone. I don't think we should sign him for such an expensive fee and wages which should be spent on another striker. Rvp played well today when he did get the ball but lacks pace and it's costing us, on the counter and also from playing direct through balls. When's the last time we could consistently play a ball through a defence for the striker to latch onto and finish? This is one purchase for the summer.

4. Rafael is fantastic, but cons outweigh the pros. Not saying we should sell him but I would like us to sign a good rb in his category if not better, gives him competition and cover.

5. Wingers. If you agree di maria and janujaz shouldnt be wingers then: We have no good ones. Part of the reason I think we should stick to the diamond for now. This is tricky because how much more can we spend?

6. box to box. Vital, Strootman, pogba get one in

7. Sell 2 of smalling, Jones and Evans and sign a quality CB. Maybe a lcb aswell for competition to rojo

In effect we could need to spend another 100 million to realistically win the title.

This is a terrible post with little actual thought gone into it.

You blame LVG for a formation which, let's face it, he couldn't use for most the game.

You criticise a striker who wasn't playing.

You criticise a rb who didn't play.

You talk about playing a diamond then moan about wingers.

Talk of a box to box mid when we had two playing today and had Herrera in reserve.

And you make sorting out defence out sound like a walk in the park.

Moronic

Tincanalley · Nov 2, 2014

I know Smalling was stupid today, but I don't think we should be too hard on him. Even before he made that tackle I was saying to myself just shepherd him, just slow him; but Smalling gambled; a millisecond earlier and he woudl have made a brilliant tackle. Looking at the bashing he's taking, I feel a bit sorry for the lad. But, on the other hand, I think we would have drawn the match - or better - had he kept his head and stayed on the field.

17 Van der Gouw · Nov 2, 2014

R3D-D3V1L said:
Nop, i had way more fun playing fifa with an actual defense and winning games.

Yeah, some United fan you are - we go 1-0 down and you decide you'd rather turn it off and go play FIFA :rolleyes:

Seriously, you wonder why people accuse us of being glory hunters? Allow me to offer my ten cents: It's because of people like you. Go support City, or better yet Real Madrid, your lack of interest in United during the bad days is an embarrassment.

SalfordRed1960 · Nov 2, 2014

Paul_Scholes18 said:
It does show how far we have fallen that we can accept a derby defeat simply because we start to improve now. Van Gaal so far has not been up to standard, but he is at least improving so we should at least give him time until we maybe start to decline again and see how far we get up. With Moyes we just got worse and worse throught all last season pretty much.

We accept a 1-0 defeat because we had 10 men and were lucky we did not have a penalty against us. After the last 3-4 years it is obvious City had got the better of us. So, because we were improving we had expected to get something this time. Though City started to get on top, Smalling screwed us up. The 10 men did us proud with their efforts, and did a lot better than the 11 who presented themselves for the last few years. Nothing wrong with admitting you got beaten by a better team on the day. Under Moyes this would have ended up 4 or 5 nil. Based o what I saw today, I expect to turn them over in the second half of the season at OT.

Pexbo · Nov 2, 2014

Tincanalley said:
I know Smalling was stupid today, but I don't think we should be too hard on him. Even before he made that tackle I was saying to myself just shepherd him, just slow him; but Smalling gambled; a millisecond earlier and he woudl have made a brilliant tackle. Looking at the bashing he's taking, I feel a bit sorry for the lad. But, on the other hand, I think we would have drawn the match - or better - had he kept his head and stayed on the field.

Nah, he needs a proper bollocking. Forget all the pussy footing around, worrying about egos. It's time the under-performers took a bit more responsibility for their shit performances.

Jazz · Nov 2, 2014

Pexbo said:
Nah, he needs a proper bollocking. Forget all the pussy footing around, worrying about egos. It's time the under-performers took a bit more responsibility for their shit performances.

Quite right Pexbo. Absolutely agreed. We haven't got the time to babysit these guys. There are professionals and need to take responsibility. Have a feeling LVG gave him a bollocking though

crossy1686 · Nov 2, 2014

SalfordRed1960 said:
We accept a 1-0 defeat because we had 10 men and were lucky we did not have a penalty against us. After the last 3-4 years it is obvious City had got the better of us. So, because we were improving we had expected to get something this time. Though City started to get on top, Smalling screwed us up. The 10 men did us proud with their efforts, and did a lot better than the 11 who presented themselves for the last few years. Nothing wrong with admitting you got beaten by a better team on the day. Under Moyes this would have ended up 4 or 5 nil. Based o what I saw today, I expect to turn them over in the second half of the season at OT.

I agree with this, although we never 'accepted' defeat, we 'expected' it after the red card, I certainly did anyway. Despite feeling like it was only a matter of time before City scored after the red card I still felt there was a slim chance we might nick one. Massive improvement on last season if you compare it to any of the games we played against the big 4.

HeatSikhingMissile · Nov 2, 2014

Louis Van Halen said:
This is a terrible post with little actual thought gone into it.

You blame LVG for a formation which, let's face it, he couldn't use for most the game.

You criticise a striker who wasn't playing.

You criticise a rb who didn't play.

You talk about playing a diamond then moan about wingers.

Talk of a box to box mid when we had two playing today and had Herrera in reserve.

And you make sorting out defence out sound like a walk in the park.

Moronic

Moronic? Keep telling yourself that

He couldn't use a diamond? Did you read my post? He could've played a diamond of blind, fellaini, Di Maria and Janujaz. There's a diamond right there. Add to that Carrick Rooney and mata who could've been part of it.

Also a diamond doesn't need to use wingers, it's cm positions which shows your tactical knowledge (or lack thereof)

If you read my post I was talking about putting today into context. Would you say Falcao has been acceptable so far this season? Are Falcao and Rafael injury prone?

2 box to box midfielders? Laughable. You don't know what you're talking about so please hush.

Only one moron here and it's certainly not me. Thank god people like you arent a dime a dozen.

2 box to box midfielders hahaha

Seriously?

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