With a supporting ownership we could easily overtake them. The club is seriously underfunded compared to Shitty. Guardiola wouldn't last a month at United under these circumstances. LVG wasn't shite when he joined, Mou was a serial winner before he joined. These City oafs are lucky their owners have a plan, unlike the Glazers
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Manchester City 3:1 Manchester United
Etihad Stadium
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Zabaleta sounds like a cross between Danny Trejo and Les BattersbyThink Young might have been a bit sloppy in moving the offside line in the last goal. Matic is no central defender so can't be entirely his fault -- the back line is seemingly disorganized under pressure. Odd. Agree we need some new defenders now. Young is a great servant but he's not naturally a back and Smalling is given a lot of grief while trying to do too much. But in fairness, on the ball, City are miles better than the rest. Annoyed but the best team won.
And hide the weakness? It's for his own good, these weaknesses get exposed brutally in crunch games and ucl games with higher quality teams.
Or you manage him like wise and buy midfielders who can actually control the middle of the park like juventus had.
Underfunded or mismanaged ?
Both, at ownership level
We don’t ‘hide’ the weaknesses, we celebrate the positives. It would be equally ridiculous if there were posters who consistently spoke about David De Gea first and foremost from the perspective that his kicking needs work.
And we do actually have other midfielders to do other things. He would have played alongside Matic and Herrera today if fit. As we saw, they are not even close to being able to contribute what he does in his absence. We should perhaps be more appreciative of those things, than constantly moaning he isn’t a computer edited player who has 99 stats in every department of football.
Don't think we are underfunded yo an extent that its hurting us, no. Terribly mismanaged.
Well, we're tbh.
Remove Pogba out of the team and we look ridiculously average and devoid of ideas going forward. Happened last season when he was injured too. For all his flaws he's the only one in the team that can actually pass forward to start with.
We have many options in midfield but they're all defensively minded. City have KDB absent, but look, they have David Silva, B.Silva and Gundogan, all attacking minded midfielders. We have Fellaini, Herrera, Matic, Fred ..etc. All good players but nothing of them are attacking ones it's frustrating.
We spent 50 m on fred and 40 on matic too how do people forget this while Chelsea got kante and jorginho for 80 m combined.
I don't think either Kante or Jorginho would have solved our problem either. Kante would have made us better defensively but we should have spent that money on attacking minded midfielders. We don't have a bad selection of midfielders but they're all defensively minded except Pogba, which is the problem and why we're over reliant on him.
Jumping to assumptions there arnt ya, where did i say Matic played well? No ones untouchable for me, im not a big fan of Matic or Fellani for that matter, but the ones i mentioned stood out for me as being by far the worst of a terrible bunch today, do you disagree that any of the players i mentioned were absolutely woeful? Or are they all untouchable for you? Or maybe theres nothing like childish untouchables from either of us and we just have different views of who were the worst of a bad bunch in an isolated game.
While missing our £90m mf and another £60m one on the bench with our £75m striker?
Ok
That's why its down to mismanagement not lack of funds.
It really is a horribly balanced squad.
I'll say both.
We have spent, no one is saying otherwise, but I think we spent the bare minimum to keep the team relevant among the top 6 after Moyes disastrous season.
Fitness matters more than age. David Silva himself is 32.
We've outspent everyone but state-owned financial cheaters.
Have you any self-awareness?
You just don't get it do you?
Silvia has been there for years. Just the same as Carrick could put in a performance at 35.
Bring in someone at the end of their career, it's just a pay day.
Bare minimum? No sir, we made Shaw and martial most expensive teen age signings, we made most expensive striker purchase ever and and overrated midfielder lacking midfield basics for world record money as well, and a super star Sanchez on huge wages. It's far from being called as under investment of any sorts when players like mane and mo salah combined went for lower prizes than lukaku himself . hell kante was 30 m when chelsea got him while we payed more for matic.
We under invested in rb or rw i agree on that, but all this crisis is majorly due to awful mismanagement from top to bottom.
Yes I have.
Regarding the state of the team that Moyes left, we spent the bare minimum under both LVG and Mourinho to keep us relevant. Chelsea and City were already having a pretty good team that needed few adjustments once Fergie left. We on the other hand had a squad full of old players retiring and deadwood.
The squad Moyes left witnessed Rio, Vidic, Evra, Giggs leaving or retiring, Scholes already retired, Rooney was starting his decline, Carrick was aging and RVP was back to his injures. Almost all players that Fergie was depending on were aging, declining or retiring. Away from these the squad was full of deadwood.
Thus we spent the bare minimum to cover for all these weaknesses everywhere. Like seriously, what were you expecting ? Of course having Cleverly, Carrick and Anderson as your choices in midfield would have pushed you to sign 2-3 midfielders to keep it any relevant. What's the achievement in this ? Same for the attack and almost all areas of the pitch.
That can't be said for Chelsea or City for example who kept their backbone through these years and never looked like they need a complete overhaul like we looked like after Moyes left. They looked like they needed this and this in such positions and they'll be sorted. We on the other hand had a complete mess and were forced to spend otherwise we would have been turned to the new Everton thanks to the squad Moyes left.
So nah I stand by my words, we spent but spent the bare minimum to keep us relevant among the top 6 teams.
Juventus had made a living out of it my friend, just got back one of bonucchi or chellini, i don't remember whom exactly, khedira, quadrado, higuain , numerous purchases.
Our policy clueless on all fronts .
It's just poor excuses for clueless football and we have played under clueless stubborn dinasour managers.
As you want to see it. I said what I have.We need the scouts that Dortmund currently have.
Under funding might be an excuse if we were talking only about City. There are 6 other clubs above us in the table and we are aren't under funded in comparison to them.That was a strange game.
We were the better team for most of it and yet our performance was slightly muted. After the first goal went in I assumed we would really kick on and be two or three clear by half-time. But you suddenly started doing a good job of stifling our transitional play in midfield and when we went in at half-time I was pretty nervous about the second half. Even after Aguero scored I was still half expecting the game to swing back in your favour, and it nearly did when you scored the penalty, but you never quite managed to stifle our play and step up a gear at the same time. In an attempt to add some drive to your game, Mourinho sacrificed any kind of midfield stability by taking Herrera off, which made sense, but Gundogan duly took advantage of the space presented to him when he came on.
I think with Pogba in the side you might well have been able to step up ten yards during that patch in the second half after your penalty where you really needed an extra something to repeat your efforts from last season. But alas. I think the 3-1 scoreline was probably a fair reflection of where we both are and obviously it felt good to finally win a home derby again.
Well our manager prefers to have ONE creative midfielder and surround him with workers so when the creative's are out, this is what we have left.
Ok, if itAbsolutely love red cafe these days. Last week Juve were one of the best European squads ever and now we have beaten them they are crap. And set piece goals are morally inferior
Update.....make that 260 of the 270 mins played.
Chelsea came 6th in 2012 and also have had to replace some mainstays like Cech, Essien, Cole, Terry, Lampard, Ramires, Drogba as well as deadwood like Torres, and they still win league titles and have spent less than us during this period. Its like Magic.
Liverpool came 8th that season and 7th in 2013 so clearly needed a rebuild. They too have spent less than us and are also higher in the table and progressed better.
We seem to be the odd ones out here. With the millions invested, what did I expect? well an improvement in defence, and improvement in attack, not to see our worst start in EPL history and to be battling with mid table sides, out of the race every November.2 of the Utd starting 11 were brought in by Mourinho (lindelof & matic) 7 of the 11 for City were brought in by Guardiola (Ederson, Walker, Stones, Laporte, Mendy, Silva.B, & Mahrez).
So I am wondering what has happened to the 10 players (entire team) that he has signed?- Status
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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36%
Anthony Martial
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6%
Victor Lindelof
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5%
David de Gea
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4%
Luke Shaw
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2%
Romelu Lukaku
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1%
Chris Smalling
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1%
Ashley Young
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1%
Nemanja Matic
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1%
Ander Herrera
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1%
Juan Mata
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 362 ratings.
Score Predictions
155,221,85
- Man Utd win
- Man City win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 16% Man City 1:2 Man Utd
- 13% Man City 3:1 Man Utd
- 10% Man City 2:1 Man Utd
- 10% Man City 1:1 Man Utd
- 8% Man City 2:0 Man Utd
- 7% Man City 2:2 Man Utd
- 7% Man City 2:3 Man Utd
- 6% Man City 3:0 Man Utd
- 3% Man City 0:1 Man Utd
- 3% Man City 0:2 Man Utd
- 3% Man City 4:1 Man Utd
- 3% Man City 4:0 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 5:0 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 1:3 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 0:0 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 0:5 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 3:2 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 1:0 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 0:3 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 5:5 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 4:2 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 1:4 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 4:5 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 1:5 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 5:1 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 3:3 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 5:4 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Man City
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 65% 35%
- Shots
- 17 6
- Shots on Target
- 5 1
- Corners
- 5 1
- Fouls
- 12 12
Referee
Anthony Taylor
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Romelu Lukaku
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replaced by Juan Mata
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replaced by Alexis Sanchez
