Manchester United 2:1 Chelsea

Plant0x84 · Dec 4, 2023

BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
This or maybe sticks with Shaw LcB and Reguilon Lb

That could work, Sergio looked very lively when he came on the other night. Either way Dalot needs dropping.

LInkash · Dec 4, 2023

Chelsea are top half now so we won't get any points, maybe could have won if the didn't get 3 points against Brighton.

Marcus · Dec 4, 2023

Ah right on cue, Chelsea is now going to be a difficult opponent to beat. We need to play Varane. Enough of the he is not left-footed enough nonsense. Can we also play more midfielders than attackers? The lack of control in the middle is doing my head in. If we want to play transition football, our attackers need to have enough chances to score. If we can't yet, just pack the midfield and counter.

2 man midfield · Dec 4, 2023

Onana

AWB
Maguire
Shaw
Reguilon

Mainoo
Amrabat
Bruno

Antony
Hojlund
Garnacho

Ahmer Baig · Dec 4, 2023

Battle of the craps.

Statue of Limitations · Dec 4, 2023

Chelsea won't be anywhere near Top 4 this year, need to be putting them away at home.
2-1 with a good performance from Onana.

Solius · Dec 4, 2023

Onana
AWB - Maguire - Lindelof - Shaw
Amrabat - Mainoo
Bruno
Antony - Hojlund - Garnacho

Rashford shouldn't even be in the squad imo.

flappyjay · Dec 4, 2023

Statue of Limitations said:
Chelsea won't be anywhere near Top 4 this year, need to be putting them away at home.
2-1 with a good performance from Onana.

They play well against the big teams. They have drawn against city, arsenal, Liverpool and beat Spurs. They will raise their level against us and as usual we will be found wanting.

#07 · Dec 4, 2023

Dreading this game. If we again play with a one man midfield this could get really ugly, really fast.

Roboc7 · Dec 4, 2023

This and Bournemouth game are so important as trip to Anfield is a guaranteed loss and it’s very unlikely we’ll best West Ham away.

No idea which version of Chelsea will turn up but if we pick Bruno and Mctominay in midfield (which we almost certainly will) any decent team will give us huge problems because we just surrender the midfield.

Leftback99 · Dec 4, 2023

Must be a first that we're almost 2/1 at home against a team in 10th at this stage of the season.

WeePat · Dec 4, 2023

This could be the game for the long awaited return of both Nkunku and Lavia.

tomaldinho1 · Dec 4, 2023

Marcus said:
Ah right on cue, Chelsea is now going to be a difficult opponent to beat. We need to play Varane. Enough of the he is not left-footed enough nonsense. Can we also play more midfielders than attackers? The lack of control in the middle is doing my head in. If we want to play transition football, our attackers need to have enough chances to score. If we can't yet, just pack the midfield and counter.

This version of Varane shouldn't play for us again - he's honestly been so poor this season.

Agree on the CMs but ETH won't do this. We should be starting Amrabat/Mainoo as a pair - they can dovetail coming deep/staying high as we try and play out and the idea versus Newcastle to beat their press with a short period of drawing them on before a quick direct ball (which, when it worked, was great but it seldom did) will work better if on the many times the long ball doesn't work, there's two DMs in there to mop up/slow down any counters.

ETH has to accept the limitations we have - go back to the dreaded double pivot - play Reguillon and AWB and have them play a lot more crosses into the box for Hojlund. Then we have Bruno/Garnacho and Antony as the other attackers who will at the very least put a shift in/track runners and make us hopefully difficult to just run staright through.

Sparky Rhiwabon · Dec 4, 2023

Solius said:
Onana
AWB - Maguire - Lindelof - Shaw
Amrabat - Mainoo
Bruno
Antony - Hojlund - Garnacho

Rashford shouldn't even be in the squad imo.

Agree with this. Pretty straightforward selection

Kostov · Dec 4, 2023

Heaton, AWB, Maguire, Varane, Shaw, Mainoo, McT, Bruno, Pellistri, Hojlund and Garnacho.

suheilsworld · Dec 4, 2023

So we are seeing games where we score goals and Onana drops a clamber or Onana has a good game and our strikers forget their shooting boots. High time both departments click together

duffer · Dec 4, 2023

flappyjay said:
They play well against the big teams.

We do but what has that got to do with this fixture?

Hehehe. This is a joke not a wum. We're shitter than you so I'm allowed.

Gordon Godot · Dec 4, 2023

Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Agree with this. Pretty straightforward selection

What are the odds that both McT and Rasford start. At least one of them for sure

Gordon Godot · Dec 4, 2023

tomaldinho1 said:
This version of Varane shouldn't play for us again - he's honestly been so poor this season.

Agree on the CMs but ETH won't do this. We should be starting Amrabat/Mainoo as a pair - they can dovetail coming deep/staying high as we try and play out and the idea versus Newcastle to beat their press with a short period of drawing them on before a quick direct ball (which, when it worked, was great but it seldom did) will work better if on the many times the long ball doesn't work, there's two DMs in there to mop up/slow down any counters.

ETH has to accept the limitations we have - go back to the dreaded double pivot - play Reguillon and AWB and have them play a lot more crosses into the box for Hojlund. Then we have Bruno/Garnacho and Antony as the other attackers who will at the very least put a shift in/track runners and make us hopefully difficult to just run staright through.

So are we saying Varane is finished? Is he the worst defender this year? Serious question, I didnt see him as a major problem but maybe missed it.

tomaldinho1 · Dec 4, 2023

Gordon Godot said:
So are we saying Varane is finished? Is he the worst defender this year? Serious question, I didnt see him as a major problem but maybe missed it.

Worst defender compared to who? I think Maguire has comfortably been better than him at RCB which is his preferred spot. LCB, Shaw starts above him given we are desperate for pace, although he should start above Lindelof in my opinion. Licha and Evans are injured.

I don't think players are 'finished' so quickly, it's more United seem to have a habit of catching them on the way down from a previously lofty peak. Varane has the added problem of fitness issues and so you have an out of form, unfit player whose physical abilities are now naturally waning - the only way to get them back to being good is to play them and that seems too high risk to me.

Smithy89 · Dec 4, 2023

Solius said:
Onana
AWB - Maguire - Lindelof - Shaw
Amrabat - Mainoo
Bruno
Antony - Hojlund - Garnacho

Rashford shouldn't even be in the squad imo.

This is our only option at the moment, crazy how bad that side is on paper considering the amount we've spent since Jose left.

Sparky Rhiwabon · Dec 4, 2023

Gordon Godot said:
What are the odds that both McT and Rasford start. At least one of them for sure

Yup

Matt Varnish · Dec 4, 2023

tomaldinho1 said:
I don't think players are 'finished' so quickly, it's more United seem to have a habit of catching them on the way down from a previously lofty peak. Varane has the added problem of fitness issues and so you have an out of form, unfit player whose physical abilities are now naturally waning - the only way to get them back to being good is to play them and that seems too high risk to me.

This, we do it all the time, how many other teams in the EPL buy burnt out players from the continent?

Born2Lose · Dec 4, 2023

Wonder if Rashford will allow EtH to drop him for this game.

Offside · Dec 4, 2023

suheilsworld said:
So we are seeing games where we score goals and Onana drops a clamber or Onana has a good game and our strikers forget their shooting boots. High time both departments click together

Didn’t that happen against Everton? We now have to wait 3 months.

Gator Nate · Dec 4, 2023

If Martial or Rashford start, I'll be EtH out, no matter what I've said to this point. Anything less than Garnacho - Hojlund - Antony up front will be the end for me. I could see Pellistri in there, too.

Chaky_Best · Dec 4, 2023

Enzo will thrive in this game. I don't really see us winning the midfield battle, so what ? Play fast counter attacking football and that's it. Park the bus and voila.

-----------------------------------------------Onana-------------------------------------------------
Wan Bissaka-------------Maguire------------Varane----------------------------Shaw
---------------------------------Amrabat------------Mainoo-----------------------------------
Antony------------------------------------Bruno-----------------------------------Garnacho
-----------------------------------------------Hojlund------------------------------------------------

Would be great if Eriksen and Mount can be back soon( before Pool).

BootsyCollins · Dec 4, 2023

Onana
AWB-Harry-Shaw-Regu
Amrabat-Mainoo
Antony-Bruno-Garnacho
Rasmus

horsechoker · Dec 4, 2023

Born2Lose said:
Wonder if Rashford will allow EtH to drop him for this game.

It's up to Rachel Riley

Zaphod2319 · Dec 4, 2023

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Matt Varnish · Dec 4, 2023

Gator Nate said:
If Martial or Rashford start, I'll be EtH out, no matter what I've said to this point. Anything less than Garnacho - Hojlund - Antony up front will be the end for me. I could see Pellistri in there, too.

This should be noted and your account deleted if either of them get selected.

NotoriousISSY · Dec 4, 2023

First time in a solid 6 months I’m desperate for Antony to start.

I’m firmly in the camp who thinks he’s a fraud if he starts either of Martial or Rashford after that shitshow.

I know in reality wholesale short term changes are probably more damaging, but with the exception of Luke Shaw, AWB, Mainoo, Bruno and Garnacho I’d happily see any of them dropped from the squad in full.

I’d like to see

another keeper
AWB - Varane - Lindelof - Shaw
Mainoo - Amrabat
Antony - Bruno - Garnacho
Hojlund

I don’t expect to see a win in any circumstances, but I’d like to see some integrity towards the so called rules and principles.

Harsh on Maguire but if Varane is to stay beyond January, he has to play imo and there’s no time like the present to mix things up. Irrespective of how well Maguire is supposedly doing, we are conceding a crazy amount of shots towards our goal.

Shane88 · Dec 4, 2023

I bet the City reject scores against us just to compound matters.

MadMike · Dec 4, 2023

AndyMUFC said:
Onana
Wan Bissaka Maguire Shaw Reguilon
Mainoo Amrabat
Antony Bruno Garnacho
Hojlund

That should be the team. Bet it won't be though.

This.

MadMike · Dec 4, 2023

BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Onana
AWB Maguire Shaw Reguilon
Mainoo Hannibal
Bruno
Pellistri/Antony Hojlund Garnacho

Not sure about AWB, still liable to have a brain fart every now and then. Few young players but I’d rather watch a younger side try… and lose, than a team of older/expensive players feck about.. and lose.

l’ll be there regardless though.

I'm not sure Hannibal is calm enough to start a game like this though. He will be a red card waiting happen. I would have Amrabat ahead of him and since Amrabat gets always subbed at around 60', then Hannibal can come on as a sub.

SER19 · Dec 4, 2023

This is close to a must win for Ten Hag. Our very poor record against bigger teams is a huge blemish and chelsea are hot and cold this season, and we're at home.

Funnily, looking at other fixtures, should we win here and win against bournemouth, I think we'll be in better shape nearing half way than seems possible- and would put us in good shape on the assumption we improve as our players return.

Also looking ahead at fixtures, there are some tough away ones coming up. For many reasons, this is a must win I feel.

Onana

AWB
Maguire
Shaw
Reguilon

Mainoo
Amrabat
Fernandes

Antony
Hojlund
Garnacho

Oldham · Dec 4, 2023

I felt we were picking up some form before the Newcastle game and we'd give them a real go...
How wrong was I...

always_hoping · Dec 4, 2023

Last ten home league games against Chelsea has been 4 wins and 6 draws. It's the most drawn fixture in Premier league history (26 games) and 19 of these games has been score draws ( a joint high with Arsenal v Tottenham)

United due a draw in the Premier league this season and this could be it.

BeforeKeanetherewasRobson · Dec 4, 2023

MadMike said:
I'm not sure Hannibal is calm enough to start a game like this though. He will be a red card waiting happen. I would have Amrabat ahead of him and since Amrabat gets always subbed at around 60', then Hannibal can come on as a sub.

I don’t think he’s that bad personally (though not much in it re him or Amrabat)… it’s more about the second part of post (youth).

It’s easier (for me) to lose with youth if you think there’s progress being made… either they get better OR you find out a lot about them.

Watching someone amble about in their sixth, seventh, tenth season here is annoying. Really, really, really xxxxxxx annoying.

DJ_21 · Dec 4, 2023

Think we’ll score at least 2 past these. Question is how many will we concede? Onana will probably have another stinker. I want Varane back in the line up alongside the inform Maguire. Put Shaw back at LB. Hojlund, Antony and Garnacho front 3. Won’t be though Rashford will start as always.

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