Manchester United 0:0 Manchester City

pascell · Dec 9, 2020

I just want to see some fight in the players, look like they're actually up for it an mean business, actually win some 50/50s.

Ace · Dec 9, 2020

Going skiing instead of watching. Interested to see what random lineup/formation we toss out there though.

MileStolar · Dec 9, 2020

Irwin99 said:
Probably the 3-5-2 again. Expect a counter attacking goal or two from United (although if Martial is still injured that's a big blow), less than 40% possession, and City will score as well.

2-2

Superden · Dec 9, 2020

well beat them, and well be like wow thats a turn up for the books, corner turned etc. just like last year.

Inigo Montoya · Dec 9, 2020

ayushreddevil9 said:
Epitome of a 'Top red'

I can't find where I wrote I will be following another team. But the likes of you have some special ability to pull things out of thin air. I am taking a break as I don't find supporting this bunch good for my state of mind. Top reds like you can and should go on if it doesn't affect you in any sort.

Rather be labelled a top red any time pal than some one who quickly wants to ditch watching his side because you think it’s lean times.Football doesn’t affect me because I have perspective and other major priorities. It’s a release

This place won’t miss you if you need to leave. Like life, it’ll go on

Water Melon · Dec 9, 2020

We are very likely to lose this one imo. I had much more hope in getting a result against Leipzig compared to the noisy neighbours. They are due a win and are big favourites to get it.

pratyush_utd · Dec 9, 2020

Lindelof is injured for this one? Hopefully Cavani and Martial are back. Top 4 and a cup will still be a good year. We mustn't lose focus in December period like we have done in past few seasons

Josh 76 · Dec 9, 2020

Water Melon said:
We are very likely to lose this one imo. I had much more hope in getting a result against Leipzig compared to the noisy neighbours. They are due a win and are big favourites to get it.

I wouldn't say they are big favourites.

always_hoping · Dec 9, 2020

Water Melon said:
We are very likely to lose this one imo. I had much more hope in getting a result against Leipzig compared to the noisy neighbours. They are due a win and are big favourites to get it.

Due a win? Going into the OT match last year City was aiming to win four consecutive matches against United in all competitions in OT.

Josh 76 · Dec 9, 2020

Some fans on here are so fecked up. Get behind the fecking team or feck off. We are 2 points off Top (all games equal), not been in a position like this since fergie left. Beating City will give the Club a massive boost.

All the fans that want Utd to lose so Ole gets sacked are unreal.

VP89 · Dec 9, 2020

Ole's job is not on the line for this game, so I'm not as convinced we'll pull 3 points out the bag.

Nou_Camp99 · Dec 9, 2020

Too many miserable defeatist people on here. I'm going 2 1 to us. Rashford to bag the winner.

Nou_Camp99 · Dec 9, 2020

Josh 76 said:
Some fans on here are so fecked up. Get behind the fecking team or feck off. We are 2 points off Top (all games equal), not been in a position like this since fergie left. Beating City will give the Club a massive boost.

All the fans that want Utd to lose so Ole gets sacked are unreal.

I'd like to blame it on 2020 getting to everyone but the truth is we just have horrible fans.

Expectations of some fans are unrealistic. Ole doesn't have some of the teams Fergie did. Don't think people realise that fighting for top 4 is about the limit for the squad. It's definitely not a title winning squad even under a stronger coach.

VP89 · Dec 9, 2020

Nou_Camp99 said:
Too many miserable defeatist people on here. I'm going 2 1 to us. Rashford to bag the winner.

No one is miserable or defeatist in pointing out that City are looking red hot and we are not. We might have won a few games against them, and no one is ruling out victory but it's not looking likely. The predictions are what people think would happen, not what people want to happen.

Nou_Camp99 said:
I'd like to blame it on 2020 getting to everyone but the truth is we just have horrible fans.

Expectations of some fans are unrealistic. Ole doesn't have some of the teams Fergie did. Don't think people realise that fighting for top 4 is about the limit for the squad. It's definitely not a title winning squad even under a stronger coach.

Literally no one is asking for Ole to deliver titles like Ferguson did so this bit is just odd.

And the squad is capable of a lot more than what we've seen, lets put it that way.

Nou_Camp99 · Dec 9, 2020

VP89 said:
No one is miserable or defeatist in pointing out that City are looking red hot and we are not. We might have won a few games against them, and no one is ruling out victory but it's not looking likely. The predictions are what people think would happen, not what people want to happen.

If we had won last night half the people predicting a loss would predict differently. Our fans blow with the wind. Fickle as hell.

Form goes out of the window in a Derby too and even if it doesn't our form hasn't been bad anyway in the league. We've won 4 on the bounce. City haven't.

USREDEVIL · Dec 9, 2020

We will lose this. Think it might be the beginning of the end for Olly. We've been hit hard financially by our RBL loss and this will further their hand.

VP89 · Dec 9, 2020

Nou_Camp99 said:
If we had won last night half the people predicting a loss would predict differently. Our fans blow with the wind. Fickle as hell.

That's just presumptuous. Most the people doubting Ole doubted him before the match yesterday and would have continued to doubt him. Yesterday's farce of a shit system, incorrect personnel and odd subs just cement their current view. There is nothing "fickle" about it, people have rightly doubted Ole's credentials for a while now and it doesn't disappear after one game.

Nou_Camp99 said:
Form goes out of the window in a Derby too and even if it doesn't our form hasn't been bad anyway in the league. We've won 4 on the bounce. City haven't.

Form goes out the window, no one is actually arguing against that. But the way we are, and the way they are, it doesn't look like we can pull a result out.
There is feck all defeatist about it - we all want us to win. So please, stop trying to claim others are defeatist - it's just what people reckon will be the outcome and the way we've performed this season you can't blame them.

Nou_Camp99 · Dec 9, 2020

VP89 said:
That's just presumptuous. Most the people doubting Ole doubted him before the match yesterday and would have continued to doubt him. Yesterday's farce of a shit system, incorrect personnel and odd subs just cement their current view. There is nothing "fickle" about it, people have rightly doubted Ole's credentials for a while now and it doesn't disappear after one game.

Form goes out the window, no one is actually arguing against that. But the way we are, and the way they are, it doesn't look like we can pull a result out.
There is feck all defeatist about it - we all want us to win. So please, stop trying to claim others are defeatist - it's just what people reckon will be the outcome and the way we've performed this season you can't blame them.

How will you feel if we win then? A bit gutted quietly? Go on admit it.

VP89 · Dec 9, 2020

Nou_Camp99 said:
How will you feel if we win then? A bit gutted quietly? Go on admit it.

I'm always pleased with the 3 points but I will still harbour huge concerns about our team because of our manager. It's not even a transfer issue anymore because I have little complaints about the window outside of not getting a center back.

I know that our performances tend to be reactionary. Park results, and follow our performances - you'll see a clear trend of us reacting to bad performances by trying to set it right. Because of that, our 2 point gap between us and 1st is the best it will get under Ole. And, that's also why although 3 points is 3 points, no one can ignore the bigger problem at hand.

There is a part of me who will really enjoy the derby and celebrate a 3point scenario, but I know after the moment is savoured - I won't actually care as much. Because we aren't progressing.

Nou_Camp99 · Dec 9, 2020

VP89 said:
I'm always pleased with the 3 points but I will still harbour huge concerns about our team because of our manager. It's not even a transfer issue anymore because I have little complaints about the window outside of not getting a center back.

I know that our performances tend to be reactionary. Park results, and follow our performances - you'll see a clear trend of us reacting to bad performances by trying to set it right. Because of that, our 2 point gap between us and 1st is the best it will get under Ole. And, that's also why although 3 points is 3 points, no one can ignore the bigger problem at hand.

There is a part of me who will really enjoy the derby and celebrate a 3point scenario, but I know after the moment is savoured - I won't actually care as much. Because we aren't progressing.

We aren't progressing? Well we are but maybe it's not as quickly as you'd like it to be.

How many of our first team gets in a fully fit Liverpool or City team? Be honest

VP89 · Dec 9, 2020

Nou_Camp99 said:
We aren't progressing? Well we are but maybe it's not as quickly as you'd like it to be.

How many of our first team gets in a fully fit Liverpool or City team? Be honest

The players will play as a reflection of how they are drilled. That is why Liverpool can miss almost half a team, put in academy kids and a complete newb as goalkeeper and still look like they can walk into most teams. It's not just about talent but more how they are coached and being familiar with patterns of play that suit the team as a whole.

Your concept of players seems misled by asking a loaded question, it's not just a FM style "we're shit because our players aren't good enough". For example, our defence is still shit and needs two DMs to cover it up, you need to ask yourself why that's the case - Ole bought Maguire and he bought AWB. He also bought Telles.

To answer the question in any case, I'm sure Klopp and Pep can maximize VDB, Rashford, Telles and others far better than what we've seen so far, so there's no telling what they can actually raise their game to on a consistent basis if they were drilled to an attacking system rather than what it is now - which is a clear "just get in the final 3rd and do something exciting" approach.

Re. progression, no of course we aren't progressing. Because Ole has had a couple of windows to adjust his squad and 18 months to build key elements he even said he wants changing - e.g. high pressing, out running and starting games quickly. We do none of that and you can just point to Klopp and more recently, Hassenhuttle to see how long it takes to implement a press and outrun your opponent. It's clear we aren't progressing on the pitch at all, it's not a "slow" progress, it's just steps forward and then steps back. The credit I can give to Ole is improving the dressing room and the mentality of the players is more likeable today than it was 18 months ago, but thats no way near sufficient.

Nou_Camp99 · Dec 9, 2020

VP89 said:
The players will play as a reflection of how they are drilled. That is why Liverpool can miss almost half a team, put in academy kids and a complete newb as goalkeeper and still look like they can walk into most teams. It's not just about talent but how they are coached and being familiar with patterns of play that suit the team as a whole.

Your concept of players seems misled by asking a loaded question, it's not just a FM style "we're shit because our players aren't good enough". And if our defence is still shit and needs two DMs to cover it up, you need to ask yourself why that's the case - Ole bought Maguire and he bought AWB. He also bought Telles.

To answer the question in any case, I'm sure Klopp and Pep can maximize VDB, Rashford, Telles and others far better than what we've seen so far, so there's no telling what they can actually raise their game to on a consistent basis if they were drilled to an attacking system rather than what it is now - which is a clear "just get in the final 3rd and do something exciting" approach.

Re. progression, no of course we aren't progressing. Because Ole has had a couple of windows to adjust his squad and 18 months to build key elements he even said he wants changing - e.g. high pressing, out running and starting games quickly. We do none of that and you can just point to Klopp and more recently, Hassenhuttle to see how long it takes to implement a press and outrun your opponent. It's clear we aren't progressing on the pitch at all, it's not a "slow" progress, it's just steps forward and then steps back. The credit I can give to Ole is improving the dressing room and the mentality of the players is more likeable today than it was 18 months ago, but thats no way near sufficient.

Im not really arguing Ole is on that level though am I? If you can give Jurgen a call and get him to take the Utd job I'm all for it. I don't think he'd be interested though.

Who else is there right now? And don't say Poch. Back when he was doing 'great' winning nothing with Spurs, we were winning 1 league Cup, 1 fa cup and 1 Europa League title when the club was a total mess.
Poch was getting knocked out of the Europa League by Gent. That's how good Poch is.

VP89 · Dec 9, 2020

Nou_Camp99 said:
Im not really arguing Ole is on that level though am I? If you can give Jurgen a call and get him to take the Utd job I'm all for it. I don't think he'd be interested though.

Who else is there right now? And don't say Poch. Back when he was doing 'great' winning nothing with Spurs, we were winning 1 league Cup, 1 fa cup and 1 Europa League title when the club was a total mess.
Poch was getting knocked out of the Europa League by Gent. That's how good Poch is.

Only a lazy supporter will boil Poch down to what he's won. He was with Spurs when Chelsea spent more, United spent almost half a billion and City spent the same. If someone thinks he should reasonably win a title or a Champions League with a huge disadvantage + inheriting a team that wasn't even established in the top 4, just to be considered as a United manager, then yeah it's just lazy ignorance.

Poch had a terrible downturn domestically there is no debate there and he's not even my first choice. But to many neutrals and even Spurs fans it was more of a case of the end of a cycle, and Levy sought best to start the cycle with a new manager. It happens but it doesn't take away the fact that Poch is known to be a manager who can take a squad and make it look better than the sum of it's parts. Nagelsmann does this, Rose does this, even Allegri has been proven to do this.

Ole doesn't do this. He's never really done this. The last time he had a big gig as a manager, he wasted an entire transfer budget and the side got relegated. You don't need to get Jurgen Klopp to do better than that, you just need to get a more qualified manager.

lex talionis · Dec 9, 2020

We’re a wounded, cornered animal.

Nou_Camp99 · Dec 9, 2020

VP89 said:
Only a lazy supporter will boil Poch down to what he's won. He was with Spurs when Chelsea spent more, United spent almost half a billion and City spent the same. If someone thinks he should reasonably win a title or a Champions League with a huge disadvantage + inheriting a team that wasn't even established in the top 4, just to be considered as a United manager, then yeah it's just lazy ignorance.

Poch had a terrible downturn domestically there is no debate there and he's not even my first choice. But to many neutrals and even Spurs fans it was more of a case of the end of a cycle, and Levy sought best to start the cycle with a new manager. It happens but it doesn't take away the fact that Poch is known to be a manager who can take a squad and make it look better than the sum of it's parts. Nagelsmann does this, Rose does this, even Allegri has been proven to do this.

Ole doesn't do this. He's never done this. The last time he had a big gig as a manager, he wasted an entire transfer budget and the side got relegated. You don't need to get Jurgen Klopp to do better than that, you just need to get a more qualified manager.

Go find one then. Poch isn't the answer. Not trusted by Spurs to take them on to the next level but good enough for the hardest job in the land? Its just lunacy.

Spurs have upgraded. Ironically on a manager we didn't think was right for us.

VP89 · Dec 9, 2020

Nou_Camp99 said:
Go find one then. Poch isn't the answer. Not trusted by Spurs to take them on to the next level but good enough for the hardest job in the land? Its just lunacy.

Spurs have upgraded. Ironically on a manager we didn't think was right for us.

This is such a lunacy post, I said a manager capable of making a team look better than a sum of it's parts, gave 4 suggestions and then you said go find one :lol:

And Poch did take Spurs to the next level, go and look at where they were and then look at the points totals he achieved along with the Champions League run which points to better progression in the tournament than what we had in any manager since SAF. If Jose goes out and takes Spurs to win the league than fair fecks, but don't claim blindly they've upgraded when he's not even a third of a season in. Poch took Spurs as high as 2nd, lets see where Jose will end at the end of the season, then you can pipe up.

Nou_Camp99 · Dec 9, 2020

VP89 said:
This is such a lunacy post, I said a manager capable of making a team look better than a sum of it's parts, gave 4 suggestions and then you said go find one

And Poch did take Spurs to the next level, go and look at where they were and then look at the points totals he achieved along with the Champions League run which points to better progression in the tournament than what we had in any manager since SAF. If Jose goes out and takes Spurs to win the league than fair fecks, but don't claim blindly they've upgraded when he's not even a third of a season in. Poch took Spurs as high as 2nd, lets see where Jose will end at the end of the season, then you can pipe up.

He took them to the next level of winning feck all. They knew that level very well already.

He had a terrible cup record. Very poor top 6 clash record. Bottled a lot of big games.

If he can't deliver for Spurs how on earth is going to cope as Utd boss where every single bad result is magnified 1000%?

VP89 · Dec 9, 2020

Nou_Camp99 said:
He took them to the next level of winning feck all. They knew that level very well already.

He made them an established top 4 club and an established Champions League side for the majority of his time, which is the level up. You don't just go from 6th to title unless you're Klopp. As I said - prove Jose has done better. Lets see where he ends this season? Besides it means feck all anyway to the point of our debate which is any coach who makes the team look better is going to outdo Ole. Simple facts.

Nou_Camp99 said:
He had a terrible cup record. Very poor top 6 clash record. Bottled a lot of big games.

I never said he was faultless, but he's a better coach than Ole. I'd rather have a manager who is capable of getting the team play better as a unit and play better in Europe, and over the course of the season whilst losing a derby or two. He was pretty good in his record against Real, think he beat Dortmund once or twice too in the season before he was sacked. Was unfortunate vs Juventus but matched them toe for toe. With Tottenham fecking Hotspurs too :lol:

I'd love to see what he can do at a big club with resources if that's what he can do with Spurs. So it's not like he doesn't have it in him.

Nou_Camp99 said:
If he can't deliver for Spurs how on earth is going to cope as Utd boss where every single bad result is magnified 1000%?

He took Spurs to the next level. From being a Europa quality team at best, to actually pushing in Europe and being consistently in the top 4, often looking in better shape than United. It's like pointing to Nagelsmann and saying "oh he won feck all lets just ignore him". What sort of shit logic is that? What has Ole done to deserve the job? What the feck did Allegri do? He won Serie A when it was dogshite. I rate Poch's Spurs acheivements greater than Allegri winning a Serie A when it was a dead league.

It sort of reminds me of those shit HR recruitment folk who just read a CV and point to some bloke who might have done bumhole studies in Oxford and rates that over a guy who might be far superior but didn't go to a target university :lol:

FrankDrebin · Dec 9, 2020

I think this will be a quite cagey game. One goal to nick it.

Nou_Camp99 · Dec 9, 2020

VP89 said:
He made them an established top 4 club and an established Champions League side for the majority of his time, which is the level up. You don't just go from 6th to title unless you're Klopp. As I said - prove Jose has done better. Lets see where he ends this season? Besides it means feck all anyway to the point of our debate which is any coach who makes the team look better is going to outdo Ole. Simple facts.

I never said he was faultless, but he's a better coach than Ole. I'd rather have a manager who is capable of getting the team play better as a unit and play better in Europe, and over the course of the season whilst losing a derby or two. He was pretty good in his record against Real, think he beat Dortmund once or twice too in the season before he was sacked. Was unfortunate vs Juventus but matched them toe for toe. So it's not like he doesn't have it in him.

He took Spurs to the next level. From being a Europa quality team at best, to actually pushing in Europe and being consistently in the top 4, often looking in better shape than United. It's like pointing to Nagelsmann and saying "oh he won feck all lets just ignore him". What sort of shit logic is that? What has Ole done to deserve the job? What the feck did Allegri do? He won Serie A when it was dogshite. I rate Poch's Spurs acheivements greater than Allegri winning a Serie A when it was a dead league.

It sort of reminds me of those shit HR recruitment folk who just read a CV and point to some bloke who might have done bumhole studies in Oxford and rates that over a guy who might be far superior but didn't go to a target university

Achievements? Hahahahaha. Do you get a parade for the top 4 Cup?

We were an utter shambles and still managed to win 3 cups in that time and many pundits said Spurs had the better coach and team.

Poch is a nice guy. But he's a loser. If Ole is to go before next season we néed somebody who wins.

Relevated · Dec 9, 2020

pratyush_utd said:
Lindelof is injured for this one? Hopefully Cavani and Martial are back. Top 4 and a cup will still be a good year. We mustn't lose focus in December period like we have done in past few seasons

Didn't we have a very very very bad December under van gaal?

VP89 · Dec 9, 2020

Nou_Camp99 said:
Achievements? Hahahahaha. Do you get a parade for the top 4 Cup?

You put the expectations in line with the size of a club. No manager (bar Klopp) can really compete with teams spending half a billion. Get a grip :lol:

Nou_Camp99 said:
We were an utter shambles and still managed to win 3 cups in that time and many pundits said Spurs had the better coach and team.

Yes, because he had less resources and got more out of his team relative to the resources he had. With the amount of money spunked on the team you'd expect us to at least qualify for the Champions League more than we did. One of our cups ironically was in a tournament Poch wasn't in, because he was busy competing against the elite in Europe.

Nou_Camp99 said:
Poch is a nice guy. But he's a loser. If Ole is to go before next season we néed somebody who wins.

Poch has never been given an opportunity at a big club, so to call him a loser because he couldn't win a major trophy with Tottenham Hostpurs is just stupid logic. He will undoubtedly get his chance with a big club, be it Bayern, Real or Juventus etc. and win a league there. Just because he couldn't propel Spurs to the League or the Champions League, doesn't make him a bad candidate.

I bet you'd also rule out Naglesmann or Rose, which further points to your lunacy.

Nou_Camp99 · Dec 9, 2020

VP89 said:
You put the expectations in line with the size of a club. No manager (bar Klopp) can really compete with teams spending half a billion. Get a grip
Yes, because he had less resources and got more out of his team relative to the resources he had. With the amount of money spunked on the team you'd expect us to at least qualify for the Champions League more than we did. One of our cups ironically was in a tournament Poch wasn't in, because he was busy competing against the elite in Europe.

Poch has never been given an opportunity at a big club, so to call him a loser because he couldn't win a major trophy with Tottenham Hostpurs is just stupid logic. He will undoubtedly get his chance with a big club, be it Bayern, Real or Juventus etc. and win a league there. Just because he couldn't propel Spurs to the League or the Champions League, doesn't make him a bad candidate.

I bet you'd also rule out Naglesmann or Rose, which further points to your lunacy.

Winning the league with Spurs? Who said that? Didn't even win a Carabao cup. Hahahaha

Spurs sacked him and went for the football anti christ because they know he's not a winner and Jose is. And so far it seems like they made the right call. Spurs look ruthless and more like a team ready to win something.

Ole may well not be the man. Poch certainly isn't.

VP89 · Dec 9, 2020

Nou_Camp99 said:
Winning the league with Spurs? Who said that? Didn't even win a Carabao cup. Hahahaha

He didn't field his first team for the carabao cup, so act like a child and say "hahhaha" or fess up to the fact that clubs generally don't give a shit about the carabao cup and most of them prefer it to be scrapped. What a hilarious post to try and bring him down.

Nou_Camp99 said:
Spurs sacked him and went for the football anti christ because they know he's not a winner and Jose is. And so far it seems like they made the right call. Spurs look ruthless and more like a team ready to win something.

As I said, wait and see how the season goes. Jose's best form now isn't really matching Poch's peak form for Spurs. You're talking a lot of presumptuous arguments right now.

Nou_Camp99 said:
Ole may well not be the man. Poch certainly isn't.

That's a fair enough opinion, I'm not really going to argue that. But Poch is certainly closer to the ideal candidate than Ole, which is my point. There are far, far better managers available.

Irrational. · Dec 9, 2020

We’ll win this by a narrow one goal margin with City hitting the woodwork a minimum of four times.

The Ole defenders will be out in full force riding on the result for the next six months until the next crisis where we need a win on the last game of the season to secure Europa League qualification and Bruno is out with a back injury after carrying us like a pregnant woman for 9 months.

Nou_Camp99 · Dec 9, 2020

VP89 said:
He didn't field his first team for the carabao cup, so act like a child and say "hahhaha" or fess up to the fact that clubs generally don't give a shit about the carabao cup and most of them prefer it to be scrapped. What a hilarious post to try and bring him down.

As I said, wait and see how the season goes. Jose's best form now isn't really matching Poch's peak form for Spurs. You're talking a lot of presumptuous arguments right now.

That's a fair enough opinion, I'm not really going to argue that. But Poch is certainly closer to the ideal candidate than Ole, which is my point. There are far, far better managers available.

I have been consistent all along. Ole gets till end of season or whenever top 4 looks out of reach. Whichever comes sooner and then we reassess the situation.

Even if we get 4th but we look terrible I'd look to replace him. But not right now. Now is not the time to pull the plug.

Imagine Poch or whoever coming in now and inheriting the Pogba problem. They have to play half a season with a team they may not want either.

VP89 · Dec 9, 2020

Nou_Camp99 said:
I have been consistent all along. Ole gets till end of season or whenever top 4 looks out of reach. Whichever comes sooner and then we reassess the situation.

Even if we get 4th but we look terrible I'd look to replace him. But not right now. Now is not the time to pull the plug.

Imagine Poch or whoever coming in now and inheriting the Pogba problem. They have to play half a season with a team they may not want either.

This isnt' the thread for this, if you want to debate feel free to continue in the Ole sack thread, but there are many reasons I would disagree with the above.

In any case, the crux of my point in this thread is there is nothing defeatist in people predicting it might go to City. We all want to win the game, but what we reckon the outcome would be is another matter.

Nou_Camp99 · Dec 9, 2020

VP89 said:
This isnt' the thread for this, if you want to debate feel free to continue in the Ole sack thread, but there are many reasons I would disagree with the above.

In any case, the crux of my point in this thread is there is nothing defeatist in people predicting it might go to City. We all want to win the game, but what we reckon the outcome would be is another matter.

We are going to win. If you can't predict your team to win a Derby are you even a fan? Not like we are playing the city of 3 years ago is it? Bar KDB they are a very average side by their recent standards compared to what they were.

Too much doom and gloom. I blame 2020 and covid. Its making you all overreact to everything.

horsechoker · Dec 9, 2020

charlenefan said:
It's a home game which means we'll loose
It's a home derby which means we'll loose

Massive pressure on Ole after this

We need to keep it tight

Jake · Dec 9, 2020

What happens if we win? Are we winning the league?

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