Andy Mitten article about Anderson in ESPN

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It certainly does say it all about you. Ando was amazing
He was not. He had a lot of energy and got in some good midfield tussles when he was younger at the club, then he vanished and became basically unfieldable because he wasn't fit and wasn't good enough. Didn't score goals, didn't get assists, didn't go past people, didn't tackle especially well, what exactly was he good for?

I take it back in the sense that I saw a few Anderson performances when he was 19-21ish that really made me think he could be something, and we've had none of that from Fred, but honestly, how he can be praised when he cost that much and delivered that little deeply confuses me. He won a lot of medals, but was never a key figure.
 

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He was not. He had a lot of energy and got in some good midfield tussles when he was younger at the club, then he vanished and became basically unfieldable because he wasn't fit and wasn't good enough. Didn't score goals, didn't get assists, didn't go past people, didn't tackle especially well, what exactly was he good for?

I take it back in the sense that I saw a few Anderson performances when he was 19-21ish that really made me think he could be something, and we've had none of that from Fred, but honestly, how he can be praised when he cost that much and delivered that little deeply confuses me. He won a lot of medals, but was never a key figure.
If you put Fred in the team of 06 - 09, he’d shine at times like Anderson did.
Anderson had more personality in his little finger than Fred has shown in his entire time so far. The squad always needs characters who can chip in. Fred has shown me nothing, while Ando entertained me (and from interviews etc. was amazing for the team as well)
 

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Fred isnt doing an Anderson.. not unfit.. not injured. Doesnt look like he cant be arsed at time.

If Anderson really wanted, he couldve been amazing..

I'd say Anderson could have been a better player.. Fred hasnt been here long enough to know if he can be as average as Anderson..

Anderson, on the whole, was a disappointment on the pitch.. I still love him though.. Good times.. Team was doing well, so he could slide by.. Seemed like a fun guy..
 

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Fred isnt doing an Anderson.. not unfit.. not injured. Doesnt look like he cant be arsed at time.

If Anderson really wanted, he couldve been amazing..

I'd say Anderson could have been a better player.. Fred hasnt been here long enough to know if he can be as average as Anderson..

Anderson, on the whole, was a disappointment on the pitch.. I still love him though.. Good times.. Team was doing well, so he could slide by.. Seemed like a fun guy..
I never go in for the *could have been amazing if they'd wanted to* angle, personally. It feels disrespectful to all the players who do actually do the work to say someone else, who isn't as good, *could* have been better, when their career shows they weren't.

It's a good point that Anderson did at times show himself as far more than Fred, in those midfield battles with some of the PL greats and up and comers. Another odd one like Mikel in that he was a very promising attacking player who then found himself playing CM or DM, without real evidence of the full skillset for it. (Not to do Mikel down mind, he had a very, very good career).

It's true he seemed to be a likeable player. However, his less than Herculean efforts to stay in match shape suggest he saw himself as a bit of a lottery winner as his time with United went on, I didn't see over time anything less than a steep decline in his physicality along with zero development in his game.
 

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I would say his decline also started when Quiroz left and also that coincided with the decline of Nani too. We cannot be too judgemental on those South American players and their life. It is not the same as the working class boys from the UK. The South Americans were poorer than poor in their lives and Ando has described how poor they were. So maybe the motivation for his was to provide a comfortable life for his family? That said he surely loves United a lot. As does Rafael.
 

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Yeah this weird cult around Anderson baffles me to be honest.

He was rubbish for the vast majority of his time here and incredibly unprofessional. How he managed to stay at Utd for 8 years is beyond me.
I knew him since his Grêmio days. Scored the flukyest goal in the history of Brazilian football and that was his claim to fame.
Was very mediocre for Man. Utd. all along, in fact, I credit our loss vs Barcelona in Rome to SAF's decision of starting him.
 

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I would say his decline also started when Quiroz left and also that coincided with the decline of Nani too. We cannot be too judgemental on those South American players and their life. It is not the same as the working class boys from the UK. The South Americans were poorer than poor in their lives and Ando has described how poor they were. So maybe the motivation for his was to provide a comfortable life for his family? That said he surely loves United a lot. As does Rafael.
Well, OK, I understand that, and especially with Anderson there are the specific and very sad things to do with his father. At the same time, consider that from about the age of 18 the guy had essentially hit the life jackpot in being a professional footballer. There are a lot of people three times that age who have never had anything like that kind of break. Could he not have worked a bit harder once he'd had that opportunity?
 

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Well, we did finish 7th in his season at United so he was not out of HIS depth at United. That's where he mostly finish anyway.

"We've done better every single year since he left though?"

yes we have at least finished 2nd and won the Europa, The League Cup, and the FA Cup. Last season was the only one without getting into CL or without winning a trophy and I am sure we finished higher than the Moyes season even then.
I knew him since his Grêmio days. Scored the flukyest goal in the history of Brazilian football and that was his claim to fame.
Was very mediocre for Man. Utd. all along, in fact, I credit our loss vs Barcelona in Rome to SAF's decision of starting him.
Anderson was the first to admit that he was not good enough to play in midfield against Barcelona. That said our defence was horrible too on that day.
 

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he can feck right off, he was 99% useless for us and by all accounts seemed to have a dire attitude. not sure why he feels the need to give these shitty interviews now, he has nobody to blame but himself.

but i'm sure some will still say "worth every penny for the penalty".
One reason he was so loved is he did have great love and joy in playing for the club, something so evidently missing from many of the current players.

Personally I wonder if the big leg break he had at Porto effected him a lot more than we know. I remember him palying in a friendly for them against us and he was absolutely superb and was virtually everytime I saw him for Porto.

We did play him out of position, but just his sharpness and movement never quite looked the same. I thougth he looked really promising in his first couple of seasons, he just looked like he should be taking the game by the scruff of the neck and dominating, really thought he was going to be a huge player for us.

Agree, he wasnt for a lot of his time here very good and probably shouldnt have been here more than 4years, I do think injuries actually played a big part in that. If he was in this current side I would probably dislike him if Im totally honest, but I still remember him fondly and reckon he probably had a really positive effect on the dressing room.

In Fergusons time though, even though he didnt hit the heights expected, I still think he was a much better player than many of the current crop, would use Herrera as an example who seemed to be lauded a bit on here for being average and remembered as a really good player. Herrera had a great attitude but was never really more than average, Anderson was never really lauded for his performances, but he was really good in his first couple of seasons, but peopel just remember the party Anderson or the second half of his injury ravaged time here.

A lengend certainly not, but I think he deserves the fond memories personally even though I can totally understand your stance even though think its a little harsh
 

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When people say they loved Anderson, do they actually mean they loved a winning team which Anderson was a small (but important at times) part of?

Maybe my comparison with Fred was lazy. Perhaps a more apt one would be Lingard? A fun personality that becomes a scapegoat when times become hard.
 

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He rarely got tackled and when he was paired with Hargreaves in that season he dominated the best teams in the PL. I remember he had another car accident too when at United. That finished him off. He broke his leg, broke his crucial ligaments and then also had a car crash and was dragged unconscious from the car just minutes before it exploded. He really lived his life to the full. I think it was a credit to SAF and Ando that he even played after all these things. He was a joy to watch and when you see players like Matic, Lingard, Fred etc, to me Ando was much better.
He also won the Golden Boy Award in 2008.
 

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When you listen to these former players, who were around during our best years, talk, you start to sense a general pattern and what we're missing today. The work ethic, the willingness to die for the coach, play through injuries, the competitive drive within the team, etc.
 

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I remember he had another car accident too when at United. That finished him off. He broke his leg, broke his crucial ligaments and then also had a car crash and was dragged unconscious from the car just minutes before it exploded.
"According to local reports, the 22-year-old Anderson, increasingly becoming renowned for his partying lifestyle, had spent the night at the Sardinha Biba nightclub before leaving in a £125,000 Audi R8. The crash occurred at 7am when the high-powered car came off the road and hit the wall of a farm before flying into a field.

Although the French-registered car was a two-seater, Anderson had two companions – a friend, whose name was given only as Victor, and a young Brazilian woman, whose details have not been released. It is unclear who was driving but there were unconfirmed allegations it could lead to a drink-driving charge and a possible offence of allegedly having excess passengers. Manchester United were unavailable for comment tonight."

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/aug/01/manchester-united-anderson-car-crash

This happened while he was meant to be rehabilitating a knee injury which had ended his season. What a pro.
 

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Of course he is a happy go lucky chap. Michael Owen has commented on Anderson how he loves to just only play and he is always with the ball but not does not follow the recovery regime he is being tasked with. Look at this back ground and for sure he has won a lot more than most players in club football including the Golden Boy Award, PL, CL, League Cup, The Portuguese League and Cup, Copa America, Olympic Bronze medal and the FIFA U-17 Golden Ball Award and the FIFA World Club Cup. As Ando has said in his interview he has enjoyed his life. I am sure many football players would give half their salary to get half of what he has won.

He is captaining his new club in Turkey. At least in some games in the pre season.:D
 
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he can feck right off, he was 99% useless for us and by all accounts seemed to have a dire attitude. not sure why he feels the need to give these shitty interviews now, he has nobody to blame but himself.

but i'm sure some will still say "worth every penny for the penalty".
He needs time. Great potential.
The fat fook
 

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At Porto, was like the second coming of Wayne Rooney from the one match I watched of him in a European competition.
 

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Anderson did play in a lot of important matches for us. His later decline should not be taken into account without acknowledging his very good displays earlier in his career at United. He bossed the midfield with Hargreaves and later with Cleverly till Cleverly got injured. Anderson never was a defensive midfielder and Fergie tried to make him one and he lost his ability to attack.