Will the club ever call Gary Neville out on his bs?

Adnan said:

My agenda in this is pro Pogba over Neville, yes.. I've even explained why..

And how do you know Pogba doesn't work hard?

And none of the players you mention are wanted by the biggest clubs in the world like Pogba is..

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I never said Pogba doesn’t work hard, I said that’s Neville’s criticism of him. In certain games I can understand the criticism when he hasn’t tracked back but that’s just Neville's opinion.

So you’re allowed to be pro Pogba but Neville isn’t allowed to be anti Pogba because of the reasons he’s given although I don’t believe he is anti Pogba, he picked him to be PL player of the year. Neville hasn’t questioned his ability, what has the players I’ve mentioned ability have to do with this so called agenda, you said he doesn’t criticise our English players. He’s criticised Pogba for his work rate and asking to leave. He would have if the English players had.

For example, I’ve seen people slate Rashford on here countless times and I’ve defended him lots of times. I just don’t think they rate him. I also don’t think they realise the potential he has or that maybe they don’t know what they’re watching. I don’t think they have an agenda against him.

I don't believe Neville is racist, but he isn't consistent in his opinions and a pattern is starting to form and I've given some examples.

As for the racist United fans who abused Pogba due to his skin colour, they will have to start supporting a new club with the amount of non white players United currently have in the team and the ones coming through.

The majority of United's first 11 will be non white with how things are going. The players coming through like Gomes, Chong, Mason, Laird, Axel are black or consider themselves black.
We've bought a number of 16 year olds over the summer for a considerable amount of money (Hoogerwerf, Mejia, Mejbri, Hardley, Emeran) and are all non white.

So if someone's skin colour is such a issue then find another club to support.

GiddyUp said:

Why the feck does Valencia keep getting brought up? What you are saying is because he failed his 1st time out managing a club in a different league in a different country full of other clubs in constant turmoil he is a failure and his opinion doesn't matter.
Very juvenile and dumb to dismiss a guy that spent his adult life at the pinnacle of the game and has tried his hand at everything to do with football. I would have Neville running this club before any Glazer cocksucker right now as long as he doesn't bring Phil.

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I would prefer Neville running the club instead of the Glazers as well but that's not the point, of course your past failures will always get brought up when you are a seen as a public figure that talks big.

If Neville can criticize the club, why can't He get criticized? It's the mindless GNev defending that baffles me. He's not the only successful ex ManUnited player. And anyone who doesn't have a blinder on could see how easily He changes his tunes and that He's had mistakes, reducing his credibility.

I don't think the club should do a rather small time thing like blocking GNev or calling him out on his non valid criticisms. But He's not as godlike as some of the fans think He is. He's not a voice of reason when his speeches are often contradictory. I tend not to agree with someone who constantly changes his mind. But it's his job, He gets paid for it.

sammsky1 said:

Such a lazy and disingenuous criticism.

The only issue with Valencia was Neville was an idiot to take his first ever job in football management in a club, league, language and country he knew very little about. Just way too many things to learn without making massive mistakes and getting completely overwhelmed; it was always certain to quickly become a trainwreck.

Also there are many managers who spectacularly failed in their first role and yet went on to be very successful.

This failure at Valencia told us nothing about Neville’s managerial potential. I think he’d make an excellent football manager, if he phased his roles like SAF did. I’d love him on the clubs board as DOF too.

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Just as lazy as blaming Pogba for a penalty miss. Some people just can't take it because it's true.

Neville can criticize the club so We should be able to criticize him too. And you said He were an idiot, yes, He makes mistakes. Not all the people should be licking his arse and We're just as free to voice our opinion on him. For me He's far from what people see as an important figure around United.

His office is Sky Sports studio now.

Freedom of speech, anyone?

WireMUFC said:

I never said Pogba doesn’t work hard, I said that’s Neville’s criticism of him. In certain games I can understand the criticism when he hasn’t tracked back but that’s just Neville's opinion.

So you’re allowed to be pro Pogba but Neville isn’t allowed to be anti Pogba because of the reasons he’s given. Neville hasn’t questioned his ability, what has the players I’ve mentioned ability have to do with this so called agenda, you said he doesn’t criticise our English players. He’s criticised Pogba for his work rate and asking to leave. He would have if the English players had.

For example, I’ve seen people slate Rashford on here countless times and I’ve defended him lots of times. I just don’t think they rate him. I also don’t think they realise the potential he has or that maybe they don’t know what they’re watching. I don’t think they have an agenda against him.

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I'm pro Pogba against Gary Neville.

I've disagreed plenty of times with Roy Keane on his views, but I respect he speaks from the heart and says it how he sees it.

Neville's latest outburst towards Pogba was over a missed penalty. If Neville wanted to criticize someone then why didn't he criticize Ole? Because it's Ole who has let the players decide on who will take the penalty. Pogba didn't do anything wrong by taking the penalty at all because it was decided between himself and Rashford that he would take it with Ole's blessing. So if Neville wanted to criticize someone then it was very unfair to target Pogba in that situation. It was actually completely unnecessary and infact wrong of Neville to target Pogba. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but Neville was wrong in his opinion regarding Pogba taking the penalty.

Pogba works very hard during games and stats back him up in that regard. So not sure how anyone can be overly critical of Pogba in that regard when he's played in world cup and Champions League finals and no one's ever complained about his work rate.

mariachi-19 said:

We've seen time and time again, Gary Neville opens his mouth and doesn't know when to shut up.

This is not about being a Glazer apologist but about a former player that is continually harbouring ill feelings about our club to the wider public in order to benefit his own brand/image in the media.

Irrespective of whether posters agree with this or not, his ridiculous rant at Pogba on Monday night may not have been racial, but it added fuel to the fire amongst disgruntled United fans and alot of who probably don't have the mental foresight (or intelligence) to think about what they say. Accordingly, when he stirs the pot like this, fans are inevitably going to voice their opinion and it simply adds to the negativity which has surrounded our club since the Fraudulent one decided to open his mouth last summer and throw his toys out of the pram.

Further, he has continually sprouted his opinion about the management of Manchester United (rhetoric about appointing best in class and directors of football and repeat). This is a former footballer talking about the management and organisation of a large company. Based on his credentials, he has absolutely no right in commenting on this. Simply being part owner of a lower league club and a hotel, does not give you the right to tell the CEO of a near billion pound a year organisation that he's not doing his job correctly. He can criticise the manager and the transfer policy, but questioning the decision of the management of the club surrounding its running is outside his expertise.

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Oh dear. New lows.

Notice how most people defending Gary's bullshit and childish tantrum on Pogba are your usual Pogba detractors. It'd just a case of likeminded folks perpetrating their sad agendas finding each other, that's all.

I personally would ignore that lot together with their public figure Neville.

Gary Neville actually said that he was going to say that Pogba is selfish, etc, but that he changed his mind when he went back to the Chelsea game and saw that Rashford had done something similar. Neville is often wrong, but he is someone who believes in the fundamental values of the club (much more than the Glazers/Woodward) and we, as fans, are lucky to have him representing those values with his platform.

PS. And I am no Pogba detractor, but a huge Pogba fan.

I always thought he talks too much and is so full of shite. Yes he is no doubt a good pundits, from entertainment point of view, but his massive failure as manager at Valencia means his opinions has loss all credits for me.

What the feck is up with people. He can say whatever he wants.

Wumminator said:

What the feck is up with people. He can say whatever he wants.

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This. Does the OP really expect the club to ‘call him out’? Bizarre

LARulz said:

He has a far bigger "right" than us to comment. He has played there and dedicated most his life to the club. He has strong ties still with the club through people there and knows a thousand times more of what's actually happening behind the scenes than any of us here - so if anything, when he talks about the club we should probably listen more.

If we can't listen to him or Rio for example, both who have strong ties still inside the club, then we may as well shut this forum down. If someone like Gary doesn't have the "right" to talk about how to run a football club/business then what do we?

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Absolutely. I respect GN, his insights, his obvious love of the club, his honesty. Pogba was wrong to have not allowed Rash to take the penalty and GN was well within his rights to call him on it. For cretins to use his criticism as licence to racially abuse Pogba is beyond despair....and yet unsurprising.

Adnan said:

Like I've said in other posts he selects his targets and has biases. He won't criticise the English players but will instead blindly defend them like he did with his brother and Moyes.

Wayne Rooney did far worse than Pogba on a number of occassions but Neville didn't criticise Rooney for being unprofessional. He actually praised him instead believe it or not. Compare that to how he spoke regarding Lukaku's unprofessional behaviour..

Neville is someone that isn't a straight shooter like a Roy Keane when it comes to giving a honest opinion. There's always agenda's with Neville whilst agree or disagree with Keane, he will say it how it is.

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This is the biggest problem I have with Neville.

He is either blissfully unaware of his bias, or doesn't mind being a hypocrite. Both don't reflect well on his character.

Lingard has less output than Pogba, is almost as active, if not more, on social media and never gets called out for his shitness by Nev. Any idea why? I can fathom a guess myself.

NinjaZombie said:

This is the biggest problem I have with Neville.

He is either blissfully unaware of his bias, or doesn't mind being a hypocrite. Both don't reflect well on his character.

Lingard has less output than Pogba, is almost as active, if not more, on social media and never gets called out for his shitness by Nev. Any idea why? I can fathom a guess myself.

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Silent domination.

Tarrou said:

He has every right to give his opinion on the club

I can't understand why anyone would care that much

He was a bit out of line on Pogba but back-tracked once he understood the situation better, its not a big deal and he can't be held responsible for racists

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This. He rather embarrassed himself over Pogba on Monday night, some of his chosen words were careless at best, and I hope he thinks twice before jumping the gun in future. That being said, cut the guy some slack and move on, people make mistakes.

The club don't want to legitimise his opinions.

Somebody in another thread said he's an example of what happens when you give an opinionated idiot a national platform. Spot on.

The club should ignore him but I'd like to think Ole will be having a private word with his 'mate'. Over the last few years a huge amount of negative press has been driven by our so called legends.

It’s a free country, free speech, freedom of expression and GN like everyone else is entitled to his opinion.

Why would club waste its time and resources responding to every ‘opinion’ expressed in the media?

dev1l said:

Freedom of speech, anyone?

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Hell no, people might get OFFENDED!!

mariachi-19 said:

Great insight. Now tell me how to run a billion dollar football club? Im sure you've played football once in your life.

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Pretty simple. He lives in a country that exercises freedom of speech, and his job is to give his opinion.

Just out of interest, how old are you?

NinjaZombie said:

This is the biggest problem I have with Neville.

He is either blissfully unaware of his bias, or doesn't mind being a hypocrite. Both don't reflect well on his character.

Lingard has less output than Pogba, is almost as active, if not more, on social media and never gets called out for his shitness by Nev. Any idea why? I can fathom a guess myself.

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I said it many times before, he is not a very good pundit anymore with a very biased opinion. He always rides this "United should be about this and that" like 20 years ago, no progression whatsoever

WireMUFC said:

Gary Neville has a right to an opinion on United because he’s a United fan. It’s as simple as that. I love MNF it’s fun to watch the debates they have on there some people just want boring pundits who just agree with each other. I like Pundits with strong opinions. Everything is so watered down these days it’s actually refreshing to watch MNF.

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Leanshig said:

I think pundits should be allowed to criticize the performances and decision making of players without worrying about anonymous morons on twitter spewing racist garbage. It says more about twitter and less about Neville that he's getting blowback for legit criticism.

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Bingo

NinjaZombie said:

This is the biggest problem I have with Neville.

He is either blissfully unaware of his bias, or doesn't mind being a hypocrite. Both don't reflect well on his character.

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He is biased to the English lads of course but the expectation levels are completely different. Pogba was a world record transfer and supposed to be the leader of the team. Lingard is a just a cog in the system.

Neville went over the top with his criticism but Pogba deserves criticism for his penalties. His conversion ratio is below the global average whilst Rashford has an impeccable record so far. When it comes to penalties Pogba isn't held to different standards because he doesn't even meet the baseline for mediocre practitioners of them.

This place is turning into a shit hole.

Imagine creating a thread to say a pundit shouldn't comment on football events, especially one who has spent decades at said club. Absurd

I'm a little bit confused by some of the arguments here. Freedom of speech also applies to United and the club can react and comment on Neville's punditry, they don't have to just take it.

The guy is entitled to an opinion. If he isn’t then neither are you or me or anybody else.

He can be a bit of a dick and get over emotional leading to his mouth engaging before his brain. This is something he needs to watch before it screws his tv career up.

Mostly he is a fan and wants the club to do well. Like most fans he has his opinion about how things are done. Whether his opinion is wrong or right is up for debate.

Maybe he has a brief from Sky to stir the pot, they are getting a lot of atttntion over Gary’s verbal outbursts, who really knows?

I agree with an awful lot he says. I do think he needs to engage his brain a bit more but then who doesn’t from time to time?

Given that Gary Neville voices his views on a 3rd party platform, and Manchester United have to be seen to be uncontroversial, surely everyone knows it's a non-starter?

I find it's not always an issue in regards to what he says, but how he says it. I completely agree that a top level club should have a designated penalty taker, especially when you're not talking hat tricks or being 5-0 up...but similarly I don't think it's 'embarrassing' that two relatively good penalty takers (when pogba scores they are great penalties) to decide between themselves.

My biggest issue with G Nev as of right now is how he's moved on from the best in class debate to suddenly liking the team again. Seems premature.

GiddyUp said:

So who should we listen to. You?
The guy gave his life to the club, was smart enough and respectful enough to finish his own career when he knew he was done and is one of the best pundits in an industry of stupid cliches. He knows more about football and the running of a club than almost anyone else on tv.

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Yeah I’ll listen to @GiddyUp in future instead, the erudite oracle of all things United. He clearly knows more than Neville

mariachi-19 said:

We've seen time and time again, Gary Neville opens his mouth and doesn't know when to shut up.

This is not about being a Glazer apologist but about a former player that is continually harbouring ill feelings about our club to the wider public in order to benefit his own brand/image in the media.

Irrespective of whether posters agree with this or not, his ridiculous rant at Pogba on Monday night may not have been racial, but it added fuel to the fire amongst disgruntled United fans and alot of who probably don't have the mental foresight (or intelligence) to think about what they say. Accordingly, when he stirs the pot like this, fans are inevitably going to voice their opinion and it simply adds to the negativity which has surrounded our club since the Fraudulent one decided to open his mouth last summer and throw his toys out of the pram.

Further, he has continually sprouted his opinion about the management of Manchester United (rhetoric about appointing best in class and directors of football and repeat). This is a former footballer talking about the management and organisation of a large company. Based on his credentials, he has absolutely no right in commenting on this. Simply being part owner of a lower league club and a hotel, does not give you the right to tell the CEO of a near billion pound a year organisation that he's not doing his job correctly. He can criticise the manager and the transfer policy, but questioning the decision of the management of the club surrounding its running is outside his expertise.

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Disgusting.

There is nothing racial about it, and even the rabid anti-Neville posters on this very forum seem to agree upon him favoring Rashford ahead of Pogba - who also happens to be of a darker complexion than snow white GNev. So I am very interested to see where race comes into play here since those players competing for favor among the '92 pundits all seem to be at least of mixed race, if not as black as Pogba?

It's fascinating to see how many people have started to hate Neville for not being a mouth piece for the club and giving his - gasp - opinion even when it's unfavorable for Manchester United or one of its players, despite it being his actual job. He is not obligated to create a 'positive feeling' as if the club is a cult and all its current and past members have some obligation to only say positive things or point out what went right or something to make he fans feel good because he is not a club ambasssador but a TV pundit and some of you guys really should get that into your heads.

Not to mention Gary is a legend and achieved more for this club than all current players have combined but I suppose it simply gives away the average age of the redcaf poster (and 20% of us who are Pogba, rather than United, fans) because none of them even watched him play, let alone in his prime.

Another hilarious point you made is that Gary Neville can't criticize the management of a billion dollar business - LOL! Alright, I guess no one outside of the billionaire class is allowed to criticize Volkswagen for the emission scandal then... or how about a trillion dollar country? We definitely shouldn't be allowed to critique the government, considering it's larger by a million magnitudes....

mariachi-19 said:

We've seen time and time again, Gary Neville opens his mouth and doesn't know when to shut up.

This is not about being a Glazer apologist but about a former player that is continually harbouring ill feelings about our club to the wider public in order to benefit his own brand/image in the media.

Irrespective of whether posters agree with this or not, his ridiculous rant at Pogba on Monday night may not have been racial, but it added fuel to the fire amongst disgruntled United fans and alot of who probably don't have the mental foresight (or intelligence) to think about what they say. Accordingly, when he stirs the pot like this, fans are inevitably going to voice their opinion and it simply adds to the negativity which has surrounded our club since the Fraudulent one decided to open his mouth last summer and throw his toys out of the pram.

Further, he has continually sprouted his opinion about the management of Manchester United (rhetoric about appointing best in class and directors of football and repeat). This is a former footballer talking about the management and organisation of a large company. Based on his credentials, he has absolutely no right in commenting on this. Simply being part owner of a lower league club and a hotel, does not give you the right to tell the CEO of a near billion pound a year organisation that he's not doing his job correctly. He can criticise the manager and the transfer policy, but questioning the decision of the management of the club surrounding its running is outside his expertise.

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It's his job to give his opinion on football mate, if sky thought he were doing such a bad job he would be sacked

He's one of the most respected pundits around just because you don't agree with his narrative doesn't mean he's doing a bad job

Other than resusing to admit that a manager should be fired (regardless of the club) I don't think I've ever heard Neville say something that I didn't agree with. He was right in his critisizm of Pogba. Not his fault that some rednecks turned it into a racial issue. Pogba isn't bad at penalties becuase he's black. He's just plain out bad at penalties and should never take another one regardless of how talented of a footballer he is. I now play in an over 35 league and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I am a better penalty taker than Pogba is...

tenpoless said:

Just as lazy as blaming Pogba for a penalty miss. Some people just can't take it because it's true.

Neville can criticize the club so We should be able to criticize him too. And you said He were an idiot, yes, He makes mistakes. Not all the people should be licking his arse and We're just as free to voice our opinion on him. For me He's far from what people see as an important figure around United.

His office is Sky Sports studio now.

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Nobody is blaming Pogba for missing a pentaly. They are blaming him for taking it in the first place considering Rashford has never missed, took the last one, and Pogba's penalty record is horrible. He's horrible at taking penalties and never should have taken it yesterday...

"We always said of Gary that he woke up angry. His was an argumentative nature. He is a forthright
guy. Where he sees error, sees flaws, he attacks them. His instinct was not to negotiate his way
through an impasse, but strike hard with his opinions. There was no consensus with Gary. He was
explosive. I would see a small issue escalate in his mind. But with me he knew where the limits of my
patience were. I would say: ‘Gary, go and annoy someone else.’ "

What Sir Alex wrote about Gary Neville

The club has no need nor reason to call Neville out, indeed I'm not sure how that would even work. Should Woodward and Joel Glazer go on Sky Sports News to read him the Riot Act?

Neville is beyond doubt a United fan who wants us to do well. I think he has at times taken his righteous indignation too far in that he has hammered certain players, criticised managers but given Ed and the Glazers a free ride as that's 'not his area'. That's true to an extent, he's hired to discuss football matters but you cannot say 'the club is in a state' then blame only the current squad of players and the current manager. He's also bought fully into into Sky's/News Corp's shockjock style of sensationalised, pre-arranged narratives where he will prepare a package, such as penaltygate the other night, and hammer away at it despite both Ole and Rashford himself (the wronged party ) having set the record straight.

All of that is irritating conduct from Neville, but it is for me no grounds whatsoever to hate his punditry, hate him personally or for the club to somehow look to get even with him.

I will never understand why people get so upset over the opinions of football pundits.