Opposition fans: Pochettino or Solskjaer?

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We won. End of story. Stop drooling over that half-baked Pochettino and support the manager we have. He is better than what our club even deserves right now. At least he truly cares and there are consistent wins to prove he is capable, but you would rather clicketty clack on your keyboard and trash him, then appreciate that he is trying to give us joy under very difficult circumstances?

We were all heartbroken with Watford and other losses. You are not the only one. But that is not the whole story. The story continues
We won that was all. You clickety clacked and yippety yapped to make that into some sort of legendary conquest. But that's of course Ole apologists of your ilk are capable of doing. Inventing stuff out of thin air. And don't you dare tell me how to support my club. I will support my club while you go and wank over your posterboy manager. No manager is bigger than the club and it's really unfortunate that so called fans have made this farce possible.

Funny that none of my comments say that I am drooling over Poch.You made that up again because it suits your agenda and will not accept your stupid remark about crushing Tottenham. Then again, to be able to properly read posts you have to remove your head from Ole's rear.
 

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Keep Ole. Until the whole structure of the club is sorted out, we will just be paying money to sack managers every year or two.
 

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Keep Ole. Until the whole structure of the club is sorted out, we will just be paying money to sack managers every year or two.
In general the manager is the centerpiece of a structure "sorting out".
 

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We won that was all. You clickety clacked and yippety yapped to make that into some sort of legendary conquest. But that's of course Ole apologists of your ilk are capable of doing. Inventing stuff out of thin air. And don't you dare tell me how to support my club. I will support my club while you go and wank over your posterboy manager. No manager is bigger than the club and it's really unfortunate that so called fans have made this farce possible.

Funny that none of my comments say that I am drooling over Poch.You made that up again because it suits your agenda and will not accept your stupid remark about crushing Tottenham. Then again, to be able to properly read posts you have to remove your head from Ole's rear.
Yo, buddy, calm down and "remain respectful of other posters" - it's right there on top of the box you are clicking into. It's ok to show some emotion or sarcasm, but that level of name-calling is too much.
 

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Are you for real? I know you are norwegian, but come on, you cant see Poch is waaaaaaaay ahead of the failed Cardiffand Molde (lol) manager? You do know who Magnus Haglund is, dont you? Would you like to see him as our next manager? His cv is comparable with Oles, a bit better maybe, and he didnt have the chance of relegating a team in the PL
Or Solbakken? A norwegian manager with 7 danish league titles and a failed stint at Wimbledon.
 

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What will be Ole's next job if/when he's done here? Now compare that to all the clubs where Pochettino might end up next season.
 

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We had 39 percent possession and faced 21 shots out of which DDG made a dozen world class saves. We hung on for dear life most of the game. The delusion is really strong or the weed is. I don't know which.
We also beat Chelsea (twice), Manchester City, Leicester and Tottenham this season. Hell even Liverpool were very lucky to come away with a draw. So we're doing something wrong sometimes aren't we?
 

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Pochettino is by far the superior manager, its not even close!

To put things in to perspective, If Solskjaer leaves Man United, he wouldn't even be in the running to manage another Premier League club, whereas Pochettino is going to be linked with lots of big jobs over the next 12 months.

I genuinely think you could make a case for Solskjaer being the worst manager in the Premier League right now.
 

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Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but at the time of Solskjærs appointment it was a logical decision because of the fantastic results.
For me and the football fans I know, it was always a terrible decision. Me and my friends were cheerleading United while Solskjaer was caretaker in the hopes he'd get the job permanently. It was as obviously a bad decision as Moyes replacing Fergie. It's crazy. He has successfully Hodgsoned Man Utd. That is, lowered expectations to the point it's harder for him to fail than succeed.
 

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Pochettino had Spurs playing absolute dogshite football and producing midtable results for OVER A YEAR, and then got sacked for this reason. This is something that happened. His club have literally employed the guy we sacked to try and sort it out. I mean, this is a pretty significant detail to ignore.
Nearly every manager runs out of steam at a club eventually. You mention Klopp as a standout world class manager but the same thing happened to him at Dortmund. We also saw the budget that Pochettino was operating on at Spurs and it seems obvious to me that played a part in his demise, given all the squad issues that Mourinho will have to sort out.

In Pochettino's weakest period, where the wheels were starting to come off, he got them to a Champions League final. He's an obviously top class manager.
 

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Nearly every manager runs out of steam at a club eventually. You mention Klopp as a standout world class manager but the same thing happened to him at Dortmund. We also saw the budget that Pochettino was operating on at Spurs and it seems obvious to me that played a part in his demise, given all the squad issues that Mourinho will have to sort out.

In Pochettino's weakest period, where the wheels were starting to come off, he got them to a Champions League final. He's an obviously top class manager.
It wasn't really the sane. Dortmund won major trophies under Klopp and played very good football, from a position where they had no right to do either.

Can you remind me what Spurs won under Pochettino?

The Champions league final is a straw argument. They were lucky in every round and lost the final after 1 minute, and did all this whilst performing terribly.

When did getting to 1 cup final and losing it suddenly become a measure of success? Who was Monaco manager when they got to a CL Final? What is Roberto De Matteo doing these days? Is he an obviously world class manager?
 

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It wasn't really the sane. Dortmund won major trophies under Klopp and played very good football, from a position where they had no right to do either.

Can you remind me what Spurs won under Pochettino?

The Champions league final is a straw argument. They were lucky in every round and lost the final after 1 minute, and did all this whilst performing terribly.

When did getting to 1 cup final and losing it suddenly become a measure of success? Who was Monaco manager when they got to a CL Final? What is Roberto De Matteo doing these days? Is he an obviously world class manager?
The measure of success is that he was outperforming rivals who were outspending him and consistently had Spurs finishing in the top 3. Also, I'm not going to respond to you bringing up random names in argument to something I didn't say. If you think Spurs getting to a CL final or stabilising them as a top 3 club isn't impressive then fair enough.

I'm just happy that United are satisfied with their current mediocrity. Pochettino is undoubtedly one of the best available managers who has proven his class in this league, and could potentially do even more with a more ambitious club than Spurs. You really don't think so?
 

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The question is absurd … of course Pochettino. It's not even a question.
 

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The question is absurd … of course Pochettino. It's not even a question.
Bizarre thread.
Some people don't seem to think so, read various threads regarding Ole over past few days, read this thread and see the position some of the United fans. I find it absurd that anyone holds that view to be honest. I don't, but I want to ascertain/confirm that it's only the United fans that are gripped by this delusion.
 

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Of course it's Ole, no contest at all. Ole led a squad demotivated by Mourinho into the Quarter Finals of the Champions League, giving you That Night in Paris. Ole's winning streak when he was appointed surpasses any winning run Pochetinno has. When Ole first arrived, he talked about "We are Manchester United" and "United DNA". In the process, he has got rid of six players and got in three, all of whom has had success. While he should have had more, especially at midfield and striker, he was also trying to integrate young players into the squad. McTominay who was played by Mourinho at CB in a show of defiance, is now a regular in CM. Greenwood has scored 7 goals already this season. Fred, who was written off, has now improved as well. Many of your players who looked certain to leave like Martial, De Gea and Pogba stayed and in the case of the former two, signed new contracts under Ole.

People might have wanted to get rid of Young, Matic, Jones, Mata, Lingard, etc but Ole has had his hands tied. You can't get rid of half the squad in one window. Look at how Klopp did it when he arrived at Liverpool. It took him four years to finish transforming the squad. His first half season was poor and he finished eighth in the league. At that time, Liverpool were great against big teams and struggled against poor sides. Sounds familiar? It was a step in progress. You coach the attack first since attack is more important than defence in the league. Being the only side in the league (not even the Mighty Man City) to take points off Liverpool should count for something. Ole is undefeated against Klopp so far unlike Pep who normally loses at Anfield.

If you really think the above is serious, then by all rights, please keep Ole for ten more years.
 

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If we had no manager right now and someone would ask me "Solksjaer or Poch?" I would answer Pocj right away(as would everyone I presume)

But given that we dont make managerial changes based on "ohhh {NAME} just became avilable" than I would keep Ole. Yeah were not great againts shite teams and that depressing, but that is something that could easily be changed with 2 signings. Yet having a manager that consistently out smarts the best of the best, that is something that would be harder to achieve.

I think Ole could be our guy. I think if Ole gets to a point where he feels he hurts the club, he would leave.
 

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Of course it's Ole, no contest at all. Ole led a squad demotivated by Mourinho into the Quarter Finals of the Champions League, giving you That Night in Paris. Ole's winning streak when he was appointed surpasses any winning run Pochetinno has. When Ole first arrived, he talked about "We are Manchester United" and "United DNA". In the process, he has got rid of six players and got in three, all of whom has had success. While he should have had more, especially at midfield and striker, he was also trying to integrate young players into the squad. McTominay who was played by Mourinho at CB in a show of defiance, is now a regular in CM. Greenwood has scored 7 goals already this season. Fred, who was written off, has now improved as well. Many of your players who looked certain to leave like Martial, De Gea and Pogba stayed and in the case of the former two, signed new contracts under Ole.

People might have wanted to get rid of Young, Matic, Jones, Mata, Lingard, etc but Ole has had his hands tied. You can't get rid of half the squad in one window. Look at how Klopp did it when he arrived at Liverpool. It took him four years to finish transforming the squad. His first half season was poor and he finished eighth in the league. At that time, Liverpool were great against big teams and struggled against poor sides. Sounds familiar? It was a step in progress. You coach the attack first since attack is more important than defence in the league. Being the only side in the league (not even the Mighty Man City) to take points off Liverpool should count for something. Ole is undefeated against Klopp so far unlike Pep who normally loses at Anfield.

If you really think the above is serious, then by all rights, please keep Ole for ten more years.
Excellent post to be fair
 

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Consistently top4, a CL final, and some good football. All this on a limited budget.
Yeah, turning an almost top four team into a consistent top four team, although partly due to capitalizing on normal top four teams self-imploding. "A CL final" - or no trophies. "Some good football" ... high praise! Obviously he did a good joob at Spurs, but we've already tried hiring someone who did well on a limited budget without winning anything, and that wasn't exactly a huge success. My point is: Poch is a gamble and no guarantee at all. He's not really proven a lot.
 

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If we had no manager right now and someone would ask me "Solksjaer or Poch?" I would answer Pocj right away(as would everyone I presume)

But given that we dont make managerial changes based on "ohhh {NAME} just became avilable" than I would keep Ole. Yeah were not great againts shite teams and that depressing, but that is something that could easily be changed with 2 signings. Yet having a manager that consistently out smarts the best of the best, that is something that would be harder to achieve.

I think Ole could be our guy. I think if Ole gets to a point where he feels he hurts the club, he would leave.
This is spot on. If Pochettino were free when we fired Mourinho, I am 100% certain we'd have hired him and it would have been a smart thing to do. But given where we are, now firing Ole just so we can hire Pochettino, is crazy. Ole is doing a lot of good, if you have the perspective of long-term rebuild and not short-term results, and just because "he doesn't have great CV" is not a sufficient reason to interrupt his work. We've already tried hiring a manager with the most impressive CV, maybe only after Pep and SAF himself - Mourinho, and it didn't work. CV is not a guarantee.

One of the things that reportedly Ole fixed is - he made Carrington into the place that United's legends are again welcome to and visit often. If true - that is fantastic! When you are United, legacy is your biggest asset and having your legends visit your young players for mentorship and show of support is huge. I am sure this is only one example of how Ole being a United man through-and-through is helping the rebuild.
 

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This is spot on. If Pochettino were free when we fired Mourinho, I am 100% certain we'd have hired him and it would have been a smart thing to do. But given where we are, now firing Ole just so we can hire Pochettino, is crazy. Ole is doing a lot of good, if you have the perspective of long-term rebuild and not short-term results, and just because "he doesn't have great CV" is not a sufficient reason to interrupt his work. We've already tried hiring a manager with the most impressive CV, maybe only after Pep and SAF himself - Mourinho, and it didn't work. CV is not a guarantee.

One of the things that reportedly Ole fixed is - he made Carrington into the place that United's legends are again welcome to and visit often. If true - that is fantastic! When you are United, legacy is your biggest asset and having your legends visit your young players for mentorship and show of support is huge. I am sure this is only one example of how Ole being a United man through-and-through is helping the rebuild.
I rather give Ole time. Like you said, a greater CV doesn't guarantee success.
 

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Yeah, turning an almost top four team into a consistent top four team, although partly due to capitalizing on normal top four teams self-imploding. "A CL final" - or no trophies. "Some good football" ... high praise! Obviously he did a good joob at Spurs, but we've already tried hiring someone who did well on a limited budget without winning anything, and that wasn't exactly a huge success. My point is: Poch is a gamble and no guarantee at all. He's not really proven a lot.
I am not saying Pochettino is the right man for you. But given the choice between the two, it has to be him, as he has proven a lot more than Solskjær at this moment in time.
 

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Is there a chance that things are quietly in motion for poch? Possibly, this is why there is no sign of us signing anyone January, instead waiting for poch to come on board after his 6 month gardening leave is complete.

I think this could be a highly likely outcome.

Thoughts?
 

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Is there a chance that things are quietly in motion for poch? Possibly, this is why there is no sign of us signing anyone January, instead waiting for poch to come on board after his 6 month gardening leave is complete.

I think this could be a highly likely outcome.

Thoughts?
It’s the 5th January not the 25th :lol: