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This "it's not his fault he's not good enough" line that keeps being thrown around is pure bullshit.
He's got good movement and handles the ball well. He never had a major injury and got the ideal body frame for his role.
It's 100% on him that he didn't improve his shooting, passing and decision making in the many years he plays for one of the biggest clubs in the world. That's what happens when a football player's focus is set on being a Kardashian instead of self improvement.
 

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This "it's not his fault he's not good enough" line that keeps being thrown around is pure bullshit.
He's got good movement and handles the ball well. He never had a major injury and got the ideal body frame for his role.
It's 100% on him that he didn't improve his shooting, passing and decision making in the many years he plays for one of the biggest clubs in the world. That's what happens when a football player's focus is set on being a Kardashian instead of self improvement.
Exactly. The fecker could have knuckled down and done a Ronaldo by getting a team of people around him dedicated to his improvement - in depth game analysts, nutritionists, sleep experts etc. - but unless he's kept it secret (unlikely the fecking gobshite), I don't think he has. It's not like that's a crazy ask considering the amount they're on and how much free time they have. I doubt many give that much of a shit, but it's on them if they're a bit pap at football, have all the resources in the world, and don't do anything about it.
 

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We should have sold Lingard and kept Rooney.

I jest, but I’d bet money that a semi retired Rooney would still out perform Lingard, Mata and Pereira in the 10 role.
 

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We should have sold Lingard and kept Rooney.

I jest, but I’d bet money that a semi retired Rooney would still out perform Lingard, Mata and Pereira in the 10 role.
Nah he wouldn't. Rooney was past it. Especially for 300k per week.
Seems people have short memories at how bad Rooney was in the last 3 years here
 

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Nah he wouldn't. Rooney was past it. Especially for 300k per week.
Seems people have short memories at how bad Rooney was in the last 3 years here
He still scored 25 goals in his last 3 seasons with us. Better than those three combined these last few years.

I was only being semi serious by the way :)
 

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Ok, I'm about to be extremely petty here, so you've been forewarned: out of sheer boredom today, I decided to look at Lingard's Instagram page. Besides the weird fact that Megan Rapinoe follows him, I also noticed that his page contains a link to his youtube channel, another for 'merch' and another for his website, to go along with his profile pic which shows him doing that annoying hand thing that he seems to have adopted as part of his brand. I checked other random player pages (Mata, Rio, Pogba, Mbappe, etc.) and not one page that I found has as much self-promotional stuff on it (Rio's comes close.) Again, I know I'm being petty and he's obviously entitled to market himself in whatever he sees fit, but I can't help be annoyed by a guy who is so shite on the pitch nevertheless leveraging his status as a United player into building the jlingz brand.
 

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He still scored 25 goals in his last 3 seasons with us. Better than those three combined these last few years.

I was only being semi serious by the way :)
I'd rather have the present version of Rooney than Lingard (and yes Rooney was awful towards the end of his stay with us.)
 

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Exactly. The fecker could have knuckled down and done a Ronaldo by getting a team of people around him dedicated to his improvement - in depth game analysts, nutritionists, sleep experts etc. - but unless he's kept it secret (unlikely the fecking gobshite), I don't think he has. It's not like that's a crazy ask considering the amount they're on and how much free time they have. I doubt many give that much of a shit, but it's on them if they're a bit pap at football, have all the resources in the world, and don't do anything about it.
Yeh. He's more than happy to sign that massive contract. Why couldn't he be expected to perform?
 

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This "it's not his fault he's not good enough" line that keeps being thrown around is pure bullshit.
He's got good movement and handles the ball well. He never had a major injury and got the ideal body frame for his role.
It's 100% on him that he didn't improve his shooting, passing and decision making in the many years he plays for one of the biggest clubs in the world. That's what happens when a football player's focus is set on being a Kardashian instead of self improvement.
Bingo. He's done jack**** to improve himself since breaking into the first team, and that's a preventable failing, not inescapable genetic destiny .
 

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He still scored 25 goals in his last 3 seasons with us. Better than those three combined these last few years.

I was only being semi serious by the way :)
Lingard is better than current Rooney. 5 years contract extension incoming. He's still young anyway.
 

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Wonder if anyone is bold enough to be walking around in any of that JLingz gear at the moment. I can honestly say I’ve never seen/noticed anyone wearing that stuff.

Anyone ever legitimately see someone wearing it?
 

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I think it's reasonable to be very disappointed that he still continues to play. Let our youth have a chance. Cut our losses on Lingard, if anyone would have him.
 

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Absolute rubbish, Lingards a terrible player, an attacking player that struggles to control or pass a football aswel as being one of the main culprits of the toxic environment in the playing squad. He embodys everything thats wrong with our team, not a victim of it.
Come on now, he's not that bad, even if he's not having the best of times. And it's not like our team is over-flowing with terrific options you can have your pick of them.
We once had Darren Fletcher, very untalanted lad but has won many trophies with United because he the system was working and he had the passion for the game. Lingard too has passion, he's homegrown so we need him for numbers and he's also England's representative player, not a bad CV. I'd like it if we had so many options that you can just ignore him because of all the quality we have, but that's not the case right now, and I am not about to jump on the bandwagon to blame one player when the issues have mounted over the years, mainly for poor picks of managers.
 

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Imagine you are a United player who plays in a #10 position. And your main aim is to ensure that you have to outside of the squad within a year.

What more proof would you give than what Lingard has given? I mean, seriously, how much of a non-performer does he have to be?
 

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I think he needs a move abroad to revive his career. He's not great but he's also not THIS bad. Would be a good move for all parties IMO.
 

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He's no world beater but he'd a really useful player in a functional team. We haven't had that in many years now. Sir Alex made use of a lot less talented individuals than Lingard. No point in hating him, we should hate all the poor decisions that led to the overall poor performances of the squad. If you gave me to compile a list of players to get rid Pogba would always be well ahead of Lingard in it. And few others, but I am not wanting to pass a judgment too soon, that's manager's job.
I never said he is doing well, if we were a better team he probably wouldn't start games, but people want a scapegoat in a player who is not to blame for our problems. He would have been a decent contributor in a team that is capable of playing well. If he left us, even for a worse club, he'd probably flourish, the demands would be lower and fans would be more supportive. He was starting for England at the World Cup in a very decent team, he can't be that sh*t can he?!

Let's face it, over the years we've become a toxic environment for young talents due to our failing policies regarding the way the club is run. Solskjaer is at least trying to change that image, but the image is strong, we'd never lose out on a player to Dortmund the way we did with Haaland if it wasn't for the negative image about developing players we've created about ourselves.

Years of success may have played the part in it, people lost patience quickly if a player isn't an instant hit, and I know Lingard can't be considered young talent for years now, but I think he was the victim of a system that was wrong. I trust Ole to change that.
Come on now, he's not that bad, even if he's not having the best of times. And it's not like our team is over-flowing with terrific options you can have your pick of them.
We once had Darren Fletcher, very untalanted lad but has won many trophies with United because he the system was working and he had the passion for the game. Lingard too has passion, he's homegrown so we need him for numbers and he's also England's representative player, not a bad CV. I'd like it if we had so many options that you can just ignore him because of all the quality we have, but that's not the case right now, and I am not about to jump on the bandwagon to blame one player when the issues have mounted over the years, mainly for poor picks of managers.
And again, even though you keep ignoring the question, what qualities does the useless little git bring, he cant pass, can't score, can't tackle, hides from the ball, causes moves to break down time after time after time, but he's English and runs a bit. He is utterly hopeless and about as welcome as a fart in a space suit. In the 30 odd years I've been a utd supporter I've not seen a more pointless player. When he starts it's like beginning the match with 10 men. He played for England, the same england that hasn't won anything of note in over 53 years and regularly started Emile sodding heskey..... WOW he MUST be good then.
 

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Name one then. Seriously. Name one player. In fact forget Manchester United Football Club, in the entire Premier League, name a player that imposes himself on the game less than Jesse Lingard. He is a starting #10 who has zero assists in more than a year; how is it possible to impose oneself on a match less than that? It isn't possible is the answer.
I would still downplay most of that to lack of quality. Don't get me wrong. I still think that he's hiding a lot for a #10 at United. No doubt. But I don't think he dissapears in matches as much as say a player like Shaw. Shaw shows a lot less urgency and seems to be happy to just play the ball to the side or back 9 times out of 10. I get that they play different positions with different possibilities of imposing themselves. But when we are struggling to break down teams, our fullbacks is on the ball often, and could be the key to unlocking compact teams. Look at the best teams in the world. Their fullbacks are so important for their attack and ability to break down compact opponents. Yesterday Shaw, at several occasions, were walking around playing simple passes to the nearest man and showed little intention on getting forward or doing anything else than the most predictable. A couple of times he even stopped in promising positions just to play the ball backward. In addition, he was ball watching and totally unaware of opponents in the first goal.

He seems to have forgotten to play with instinct and confidence of being able to contribute in attack. To me, that is far more an expression of hiding compared to Lingard, who is just very bad at almost every aspect of the game.
 
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Lingard is the equivalent of that annoying work colleague who tries give the illusion of looking busy so he won't get in trouble. Nothing he does has even the remotest impact on our football.
 

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This is bullshit. Ive matched lingaards stats for that calender year at united. Where are my thousands of pounds a week ?
 

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Come on now, he's not that bad, even if he's not having the best of times. And it's not like our team is over-flowing with terrific options you can have your pick of them.
We once had Darren Fletcher, very untalanted lad but has won many trophies with United because he the system was working and he had the passion for the game. Lingard too has passion, he's homegrown so we need him for numbers and he's also England's representative player, not a bad CV. I'd like it if we had so many options that you can just ignore him because of all the quality we have, but that's not the case right now, and I am not about to jump on the bandwagon to blame one player when the issues have mounted over the years, mainly for poor picks of managers.
Of course he's that bad, he struggles to control or pass a football for gods sake. He's useless, his CV looks like 0 goals and 0 assists in a full calendar year of premier league football. The scary thing is, his woeful stats dont tell the whole story, he's even worse than they suggest.

Comparing Jesse Lingard to Darren Fletcher...Unbelievable.
 

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Come on now, he's not that bad, even if he's not having the best of times. And it's not like our team is over-flowing with terrific options you can have your pick of them.
We once had Darren Fletcher, very untalanted lad but has won many trophies with United because he the system was working and he had the passion for the game. Lingard too has passion, he's homegrown so we need him for numbers and he's also England's representative player, not a bad CV. I'd like it if we had so many options that you can just ignore him because of all the quality we have, but that's not the case right now, and I am not about to jump on the bandwagon to blame one player when the issues have mounted over the years, mainly for poor picks of managers.
Are you seriously comparing Lingard to Fletcher?
 

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If having ‘pashun’ and being homegrown is good enough to be a Man Utd first teamer, I’m sure there are dozens in our youth teams who fit the bill.

It’s utterly baffling how lenient this fan base is towards the players when they are perceived as one of our own, even after being let down years after years. We love to shit on the likes of Madrid fans but they are in all honesty on to something with their behaviours because they let the club know they won’t tolerate mediocrity.
 

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He created a rod for his own back for seemingly spending too much time in off-field activities than his on field form.

An attacking midfielder with no assists or goals in his last 18 appearances in the Prem? Not good enough.
 

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Angel Gomes must be so pissed not to get a chance. Perhaps we'll sell him to Juventus and buy him for 150m in a few years.
 

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I would also like Lingard if he played for a team that Manchester United competed against...
I'd like LFC and MCFC to have a team of Lingards playing for them.
We'd rise up the league by 2 places, without even trying. :)
 

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He had a chance to kick on his good form in Dec 2017 and become a top player but the one month good form went to his head and he was more interested in making a name of himself at the expense of Manchester United. His behaviour during those time even till last year was nothing but absolute joke. He was becoming a bad influence to all our youngsters and even to Rashford. I am not surprised he has toned down a lot since the summer as he realised fans don't like him. He is extremely fortunate to be still playing for this club and that itself shows our ambition.
 

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Can't bring myself to hate a United player but have we ever persisted with a player so obviously useless for so long? This is more than a dip in form.