British Super League?...

Rozay · Apr 22, 2021

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Chatter emerging tonight now about a potential British Super League now. ‘Chatter’ is as much credibility I’m giving it now based on the sources.

SPL is already trash but Rangers and Celtic leaving would surely finish it once and for all. At the same time, I don’t think Rangers and Celtic should be held back by the league either. They have been having their own conversations totally separate from the rest of the teams for decades now, they aren’t really any part of a ‘league’ so to speak.

Mainoldo · Apr 22, 2021

How about the big 6 just go to the Championship and get an Amazon tv deal. Maybe people should just leave this re-arrange for a while. Pathetic.

SalfordRed18 · Apr 22, 2021

Watch how we barely hear a peep from the masses about this.

Chipper · Apr 22, 2021

No. I do feel a little for them as Scotland's population means they can't really grow beyond a certain size in this era of tv deals being so important, the same for teams from many nations all around Europe or even the world. If they split off then they just destroy Scottish football. Don't necessarily expect them to care or be anything interested in themselves though.

Maybe if the whole of Scottish football came into a British pyramid too? I don't know, would have to be regionalised from an earlier point than it is now but at least it would be better than just those 2 going. Would want to see them (the PL) chuck the other Scottish teams some money too, but then by the time they did I doubt the PL would be any better off for it really.

Definitely against it if at the same time they'd reduce the PL down to 18 as in that caption. Bollocks to that.

Hectic · Apr 22, 2021

Say Super League again. SAY SUPER LEAGUE again!

ReallyUSA · Apr 22, 2021

Good.

arnie_ni · Apr 22, 2021

Pull the whole of Scotland in (maybe even Wales for that matter) and amalgamate it all.

I don't think they should walk right into the prem though.

lefty_jakobz · Apr 22, 2021

I think it would have happened had the SL become a reality.
As much as most people in England think that they are just big clubs in a small league, the reality of it is both are huge clubs, a lot bigger than most of the clubs in the EPL.
Give them both the £170m per season the EPL clubs gets rather than the £3m they currently get and watch them grow.

The best way, if they were to get an invite to the EPL, would be if they (The Old Firm) had to pay £10m a year each for the next 10 years to help lessen the financial loss experienced by the league due to their departure.

They should just amalgamate all the leagues in the UK and have our very own Super Cala Frajalistic British League. We could ask the Real Madrid President to come and be in charge.

Rozay · Apr 22, 2021

Chipper said:
No. I do feel a little for them as Scotland's population means they can't really grow beyond a certain size in this era of tv deals being so important, the same for teams from many nations all around Europe or even the world. If they split off then they just destroy Scottish football. Don't necessarily expect them to care or be anything interested in themselves though.

Maybe if the whole of Scottish football came into a British pyramid too? I don't know, would have to be regionalised from an earlier point than it is now but at least it would be better than just those 2 going. Would want to see them (the PL) chuck the other Scottish teams some money too, but then by the time they did I doubt the PL would be any better off for it really.

Definitely against it if at the same time they'd reduce the PL down to 18 as in that caption. Bollocks to that.

There’s not much to destroy in Scottish football anyway. We’re all just pretending really, aside from the two teams it’s similar standard to Irish football probably.

And we have Welsh teams in the English pyramid. The two biggest teams from the two biggest cities in Wales have both been in the PL in recent times.

Chipper · Apr 22, 2021

Rozay said:
There’s not much to destroy in Scottish football anyway. We’re all just pretending really, aside from the two teams it’s similar standard to Irish football probably.

And we have Welsh teams in the English pyramid. The two biggest teams from the two biggest cities in Wales have both been in the PL in recent times.

Oh I know it's not great, but there's the three obvious decently supported clubs outside of the Old Firm. Wouldn't want to see them get done over especially as there's something worthwhile there. Either Hearts or Hibs would have had the 14th best attendance in the Championship last season ahead of Swansea, Reading or Barnsley if transported into the league. Aberdeen 18th ahead of QPR, Millwall and Preston. Then for no other reason than Fergie managing them Aberdeen deserve a bit of respect or protection too.

Of course we have Welsh teams in the English pyramid but then they've been here for ages if not always. Not actually sure but it has been a very long time. If they wanted to come now having not been I'm sure there'd be a fair bit of resistance.

Cloud7 · Apr 22, 2021

This would be cool. They’re two well supported teams so the matches would be a good event. My question would be, who do they replace in the PL? Whose spots do they get?

Denis79 · Apr 22, 2021

Wary of any league with the word Super in it atm. :lol:

atkar83 · Apr 22, 2021

How receptive would they be to starting off in the championship and moving on up if they qualified? Would they make more tv money from being in the championship vs the SPL anyway?

lefty_jakobz · Apr 22, 2021

atkar83 said:
How receptive would they be to starting off in the championship and moving on up if they qualified? Would they make more tv money from being in the championship vs the SPL anyway?

Spl pays £3m per year, if they were invited into starting off in the Championship im sure theyd agree

Denis79 · Apr 22, 2021

Cloud7 said:
This would be cool. They’re two well supported teams so the matches would be a good event. My question would be, who do they replace in the PL? Whose spots do they get?

I would guess that the relegation zone in the PL would be expanded for one season.

MileStolar · Apr 22, 2021

They would lose CL football that way. And EPL is getting too small for all those clubs that compete for 4 cl spots. Premier League has become such a good competition and I'm loving it but Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Leicester by the looks of it and we too cant afford to miss out on CL football all too often. Arsenal is already getting sucked into the abyss... Wonder how that'll impact clubs in 10 years when your top 6-7 clubs simply can't promise players that they'll play CL every year, is that going to make players less interested in joining PL and benefit Spanish, Italian, German and French clubs?

Cascarino · Apr 22, 2021

Chipper said:
Of course we have Welsh teams in the English pyramid but then they've been here for ages if not always. Not actually sure but it has been a very long time. If they wanted to come now having not been I'm sure there'd be a fair bit of resistance.

That's the big difference imo. Swansea Cardiff Newport Wrexham have been in the English league for over a century, whereas I think Celtic and Rangers have always played in Scotland and their history is heavily intertwined with the Scottish league. Combined with the fact that the two clubs leaving the SPL would surely plunge it into dire straits means I'm heavily against it. They're two brilliant clubs though and I would be interested to hear from their supporters and supporters from the SPL in general.

RedDevilCanuck · Apr 22, 2021

In my travels the Celtic jersey is the one I see most. Then the usual United, Madrid, Barca, Arsenal, Liverpool, Bayern,Juve.

My hometown also had a Celtic and Rangers club that had cheap Pints and better hours than regular pubs.

This town (Whitby) only had a population of 80 000 at the time and an hour outside Toronto.

Iron · Apr 22, 2021

boris is behind the idea as well, might be a political ploy to keep britain as united as possible.

Rozay · Apr 22, 2021

Chipper said:
Oh I know it's not great, but there's the three obvious decently supported clubs outside of the Old Firm. Wouldn't want to see them get done over especially as there's something worthwhile there. Either Hearts or Hibs would have had the 14th best attendance in the Championship last season ahead of Swansea, Reading or Barnsley if transported into the league. Aberdeen 18th ahead of QPR, Millwall and Preston. Then for no other reason than Fergie managing them Aberdeen deserve a bit of respect or protection too.

Of course we have Welsh teams in the English pyramid but then they've been here for ages if not always. Not actually sure but it has been a very long time. If they wanted to come now having not been I'm sure there'd be a fair bit of resistance.

That’s fair-ish, but those clubs are still deceiving themselves by attaching themselves to Celtic and Rangers. Those two leaving would hurt them, but it’s still for the best for everyone I think. If those clubs have something about them as you say they do, then they can be the biggest teams in their own leagues, a league that will actually become competitive where the gap between top and the rest isn’t as seismic as it is currently.

Celtic and Rangers would have bigger attendances than most PL sides. It’s a push for clubs who get bottom Championship level gates to argue that we all genuinely belong in the same division. There’s no competition in the SPL, and changing it may well damage it - but that would be its reality rather than whatever they think it is now with a random duopoly well out of place at the top.

It’s true the Welsh have been here for a while, but time is infinite, it doesn’t really matter. When we all gone in 150 years, history books will say Celtic and Rangers were once in the SPL, that’s all. And the Welsh teams at least show there’s precedence. It’s not as if Wales don’t have their own league. But having Cardiff or Swansea in the Cymru league now would be ridiculous.

Ludens the Red · Apr 22, 2021

Hectic said:
Say Super League again. SAY SUPER LEAGUE again!

Rozay · Apr 22, 2021

MileStolar said:
They would lose CL football that way. And EPL is getting too small for all those clubs that compete for 4 cl spots. Premier League has become such a good competition and I'm loving it but Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Leicester by the looks of it and we too cant afford to miss out on CL football all too often. Arsenal is already getting sucked into the abyss... Wonder how that'll impact clubs in 10 years when your top 6-7 clubs simply can't promise players that they'll play CL every year, is that going to make players less interested in joining PL and benefit Spanish, Italian, German and French clubs?

You raise a good point here. But to me, if nothing changes any time soon (like, I dunno, the introduction of a European Super League maybe!) - the PL will just become the new Champions League anyway. We all celebrate the strength of the PL, and we have all English CL finals and semi finals, and all English EL finals - but at what cost is this to the global game? The PL is becoming the only show in town, and even Real and Barcelona are going broke trying to keep up. All the money is here and all the talent will eventually end up here - and the mere chance to compete in it every Saturday will become the pinnacle of club football.

stevoc · Apr 22, 2021

Premier League clubs want Rangers and Celtic to join a British Super League.

Number of Premier League clubs reduced to 18.

:lol:

So PL teams are going to vote for themselves to be potentially relegated via extra spots to accommodate the Old Firm? Someone actually thought this was believable?

Also Rangers and Celtic bypass the entire English football pyramid and go straight into the Premier League, sorry what was all that nonsense about sporting merit the last week. :lol:

Chipper · Apr 22, 2021

Denis79 said:
I would guess that the relegation zone in the PL would be expanded for one season.

When they decreased the number of PL teams from 22 to 20 they did 4 down 2 up for one season but you'd have total carnage for one season or deny any promotion for 1 year to do it all in one go.

6 down, 2 up + Rangers and Celtic
4 down, 0 up + Rangers and Celtic - really unfair to Championship teams

We could be cruel and invite just one of them to make it easier, whoever finishes ahead of the other next season.No more admissions for at least 25 years.

Cloud7 · Apr 22, 2021

MileStolar said:
They would lose CL football that way. And EPL is getting too small for all those clubs that compete for 4 cl spots. Premier League has become such a good competition and I'm loving it but Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Leicester by the looks of it and we too cant afford to miss out on CL football all too often. Arsenal is already getting sucked into the abyss... Wonder how that'll impact clubs in 10 years when your top 6-7 clubs simply can't promise players that they'll play CL every year, is that going to make players less interested in joining PL and benefit Spanish, Italian, German and French clubs?

7-8 teams competing for four spots sounds great to me. If you can't hack it then tough luck.

The Oracle · Apr 22, 2021

I would like to see Celtic and Rangers join the FA Cup.

After all, Welsh teams participate, so why not Scottish teams as well?

In my opinion it would certainly make for some potential blockbuster matches.

redrobed · Apr 22, 2021

What happens when they can’t get out of the Championship? (Assuming they’re actually able to stay there rather than being relegated?)

Denis79 · Apr 22, 2021

Chipper said:
When they decreased the number of PL teams from 22 to 20 they did 4 down 2 up for one season but you'd have total carnage for one season or deny any promotion for 1 year to do it all in one go.

6 down, 2 up + Rangers and Celtic
4 down, 0 up + Rangers and Celtic - really unfair to Championship teams

We could be cruel and invite just one of them to make it easier, whoever finishes ahead of the other next season.No more admissions for at least 25 years.

Good points, maybe the transition would take two seasons. No idea how they want to do it, just took a guess.

Ludens the Red · Apr 22, 2021

stevoc said:
Premier League clubs want Rangers and Celtic to join a British Super League.

Number of Premier League clubs reduced to 18.

So PL teams are going to vote for themselves to be potentially relegated via extra spots to accommodate the Old Firm? Someone actually thought this was believable?

Also Rangers and Celtic bypass the entire English football pyramid and go straight into the Premier League, sorry what about all that nonsense about sporting merit the last week.

Honestly mate I’m laughing at loud at people actually talking about this like its serious.

awop · Apr 22, 2021

The Oracle said:
I would like to see Celtic and Rangers join the FA Cup.

After all, Welsh teams participate, so why not Scottish teams as well?

In my opinion it would certainly make for some potential blockbuster matches.

That could be fun and they already have a lot less games than other leagues. Joining the PL is a step too far.

Carolina Red · Apr 22, 2021

arnie_ni said:
Pull the whole of Scotland in (maybe even Wales for that matter) and amalgamate it all.

I don't think they should walk right into the prem though.

I agree. If you’re gonna amalgamate, then do the whole thing and make it a British Football League and British Premier League

stevoc · Apr 22, 2021

Leroy The Red said:
Honestly mate I’m laughing at loud at people actually talking about this like its serious.

And no one seems to be mentioning the elephant in the room. Celtic and Rangers current squads are let's be honest shit, they'd do well to stay up in the Championship. If they were placed in the PL they'd both likely get relegated in the first season.

Red Star One · Apr 22, 2021

with all due respect to two great Scottish clubs, there's hardly anything super in adding two mid table teams, destroying the Scottish league and ruining Glasgow's chances for European football. I think this ship has sailed, if they joined the Premier League when it was forming that would've made much more sense.

lefty_jakobz · Apr 22, 2021

stevoc said:
And no one seems to be mentioning the elephant in the room. Celtic and Rangers current squads are let's be honest shit, they'd do well to stay up in the Championship. If they were placed in the PL they'd both likely get relegated in the first season.

Rangers beat a host of European clubs rhis season most of whom are of a higher standard than Championship and mid level PL clubs, Celtic whilst underperforming this year have some really good talent.

You fail to realise if they both came into the Championship they would receive alot more than the £3m they currently get for playing in the Scottish league, that in itself will guarantee a higher calibre of player. The draw of playing for them in the English leagues would be higher than the draw of playing for any Championship club. They may play in a small league but they are big names on the Continent still.

Not to mention they would take absolutely huge crowds to away fixtures. Rangers when relegated to the bottom tier took thousands to the third division teams is Scotland.

stevoc · Apr 22, 2021

atkar83 said:
How receptive would they be to starting off in the championship and moving on up if they qualified? Would they make more tv money from being in the championship vs the SPL anyway?

How receptive would the 100+ teams whose dream it is to get promoted to the Championship be?

Red Stone · Apr 22, 2021

Gotta wonder what sort of mentally handicapped chimps are working for the PR firm when they allow the media to name it 'Super League'. Like accepting the nickname Adolf for yourself.

Also, unless both Celtic and Rangers are guaranteed a spot, the Old Firm would most likely disappear most years. Rangers might be able to stay in the Prem at their current level, but Celtic are lower half of the Championship at best. No point in creating an Adol... I mean a Super League unless both teams are comfortably good enough to justify a spot in the league.

stevoc · Apr 22, 2021

lefty_jakobz said:
Rangers beat a host of European clubs rhis season most of whom are of a higher standard than Championship and mid level PL clubs, Celtic whilst underperforming this year have some really good talent.

You fail to realise if they both came into the Championship they would receive alot more than the £3m they currently get for playing in the Scottish league, that in itself will guarantee a higher calibre of player. The draw of playing for them in the English leagues would be higher than the draw of playing for any Championship club. They may play in a small league but they are big names on the Continent still.

I think they could do alright in the Championship with some signings sure. But if they went straight into the PL they would find it hard to bridge the gap in quality in such a short space of time and likely get relegated.

lefty_jakobz · Apr 22, 2021

stevoc said:
I think they could do alright in the Championship with some signings sure. But if they went straight into the PL they would find it hard to bridge the gap in quality in such a short space of time and likely get relegated.

I was thinking rather than straight into the PL they should be admitted to the Championship, would give them both a chance to acclimatise to the English game

RedDevil@84 · Apr 22, 2021

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Chatter emerging tonight now about a potential British Super League now. ‘Chatter’ is as much credibility I’m giving it now based on the sources.

SPL is already trash but Rangers and Celtic leaving would surely finish it once and for all. At the same time, I don’t think Rangers and Celtic should be held back by the league either. They have been having their own conversations totally separate from the rest of the teams for decades now, they aren’t really any part of a ‘league’ so to speak.

There is nothing more stupid than playing an entire season and going into play off games.

hobbers · Apr 22, 2021

How big are Celtic and Rangers' global fanbase really though? Is it even comparable to Leicester and West Ham's? Genuinely don't know haven't paid a bit of attention to Scottish football in like 15 years.

They certainly aren't comparable to our mid-table or even the relegation clubs in terms of quality right now. And, assuming this British SL has relegation etc, where would they get relegated to? The Championship?

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