Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

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We are more likely to win something this coming season with him than without period
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I really don't subscribe to this theory. What from the past few trophyless years has led you to think we're more likely to succeed with him?

I actually think we're far more likely to win something without him, and to give our existing players more clearly defined roles - and ideally balance the side a bit more by bringing in a solid DM. That's football opinions though :D.

He has the ability, maybe, to win a cup - if you're lucky and he shows up a few games. I definitely don't think he has the consistency in him to win a league. Would you agree there ?
 

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We'll probably capitulate and offer him ridiculous wages at the last minute. I honestly thought it was a good time to sell him but I guess the suits are worried about losing such a marketable asset.
 

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A 28 year old, 10 year professional, is not going to change his playing style because the fan base doesn't seem to like it. Expecting him to have a eureka moment is not occuring. He doesn't have a natural position because his work rate is terrible on the defensive side of the ball. Can't get caught up on sunk costs, that's bad business. Sell him for what you can.
 

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It's easy to keep him another season. But will he renew...that's the real question. Not sure I'm interested in keeping him if he doesn't. I can't bear a season of speculation and him prancing about keeping himself safe and then lose him for not even a bag of crisps. Just not worth it. Take the money now and replace him.
 

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On the other hand, if he stays and doesn't play well, there's a good chance PSG (or others) don't sign him, or at least not for the wages he wants. He still needs to play well to earn that fat wedge at the end of his contract here.
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And if he doesn't play well and PSG loses interest then we're stuck with an overpaid, underperforming player.

The only way the club benefit from this situation is if a) Pogba signs a new contract, quelling the doubts surrounding his dedication to the club and b) he actually starts playing well consistently. Both of those options seem unlikely to happen given what we have seen from Pogba recently, which only makes me question the decision to keep him against his will even more.
 

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And if he doesn't play well and PSG loses interest then we're stuck with an overpaid, underperforming player.

The only way the club benefit from this situation is if a) Pogba signs a new contract, quelling the doubts surrounding his dedication to the club and b) he actually starts playing well consistently. Both of those options seem unlikely to happen given what we have seen from Pogba recently, which only makes me question the decision to keep him against his will even more.
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What? If PSG loses interest, his contract with United is over at the end of the season. You're acting like this is a Sanchez situation.
 

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Feck me, this thread is filled with shite.
I was worried to open the "who had a better career, Messi or Ronaldo?" thread, but I'd much sooner go start reading it then seeing how some fans can't see beyond their hatred.

Its utterly saddening. How gullible and entitled some people feel for someone and a situation they have no clue about, but just easily drink down whatever coolaid the media spew for clicks.

I posted yesterday, a picture of the banner PSG fans put up, and how Pogba's mother is a Marsaille fan and wouldn't want Pogba at PSG, something Pogba himself said, and then got that reaction from the fans. If he feels so much hatred here, how in the hell do people think he would want to go when he already isn't fancied there by some fans? Boggles my mind really.

End of the day, he has really disappointed me, when he first came, I really thought he was going to be the catalyst to bring us back to the top, sadly, that didn't work out, for a number of reasons, some definitely on him, but most I would put to the shite transition we had with Jose and the how the club has been run post Fergie.
I will be grateful to him for the fact that he had the dream, desire, to come back and give his best years to try and put us back on the map. If he feels he wants to walk away because things haven't worked out, that's fine with me, if we can get some money by selling him, that would be great, if he leaves on a free next year, that would sting hard sure.

My hope, is that he renews and gives it another go, what Ole is building is going in the right direction and I feel he still has a part to play in it. However, if he doesn't, so be it, but I will not begrudge a player that could have gone anywhere else and probably win titles, who came back to his boyhood club to try and help us back to glory and it didn't work out the way we all wanted.

That's my take, you may not like it or agree with it, but I just wish the clear hatred for the guy would stop.

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His not going to PSG. Full stop. In 2018 he even stated his mother is Marseille fan and PSG wasn't really an option which lead to this banner been put up by PSG fans. 3 years in football is a long time, sure, but things like this don't just magically disappear.


I fully expect Pogba to be with us for this season. Only question will be whether he runs down his contract or renews it.

With that, I'd much prefer he renews, but I suspect he knows that will further hamper any possibility of a transfer elsewhere. Worst case, Real get him on a free next year.
Best case, he sees out the start of the season, it goes well and he renews and finally delivers to the potential he was expected to bring when he came back. Fantasy, but hey, everyone else is smoking stuff, may as well join in.
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For those who are consistently bringing up PSG. Drinking all the twitter feeds and links from clickbait sources, and readily even accept Liverpool links etc. If you see the above and still think he would go to PSG, not sure how you can come to that conclusion.
Best case, in His situation, if he really wants out, is to leave on a free. And see what options he has end of the season, because no club right now can afford his wages, and in my mind, PSG isn't even an option.
 

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Why dont Madrid and Juve want him?
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Madrid are saving and raising money to fund their Mbappe and Haaland fantasies next summer and Juventus is a bit skint for cash this summer.

They're already having a hard time sealing a deal for Locatelli who apparently should only cost 35m.

Members of their front office have confessed the rumored thoughts of bringing him back the last few years weren't realistic especially after signing Ronaldo
 

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That last part is exactly what I was just referring to. Everyone clamoring about him going to PSG based on some week links, when as mentioned, Pogba doesn't even fancy PSG, and there is clear evidence for that, whereas there is none to weak evidence that he wants a move to PSG.
Won't stop the rumor mill though, will it.
 

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Why dont Madrid and Juve want him?
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Never see Bayern linked with him either, doesn't surprise me mind you.

Haven't even seen anything concrete about PSG except for articles mentioning how "professional he'll be in spite of the interest", which is laughable and a real indicator to me that it's coming from Pogba's camp.
 

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ffs....sell Pogba make 50m off of him and swing for the fences by putting in an audacious bid for DeJong. Barca have to make some serious moves in order to register Messi with his contract extension. You never know they might actually have to sacrifice a big fish that someone actually wants unlike Griezman or Umtiti or the cripple Dembele
 

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That last part is exactly what I was just referring to. Everyone clamoring about him going to PSG based on some week links, when as mentioned, Pogba doesn't even fancy PSG, and there is clear evidence for that, whereas there is none to weak evidence that he wants a move to PSG.
Won't stop the rumor mill though, will it.
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Bizarre, most on here believe that PSG are madly in love with him and will sign him at any cost.
 

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Confident that he'll sign a new deal or confident that he's not going to burn the place down if the club holds him to the contractual agreement he's entered into?

If it were nigh on impossible to find suitable midfielders this summer, I could understand the temptation to retain him for a season, not least if the club (Ole) badly want him to extend and try to persuade him. But as it is he's still a tactical anomaly for us and there are quite a few midfield options we've been linked with that could be more suitable to us for the long-term.
 

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Clear for me that this is going to come up to his contract expiring and him leaving on a free. Not arsed at this point, just hopefully it doesn't mean he will be a lesser player on the pitch for us this season
 

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Raiola might be better served wondering why, in the three or so years he's been punting this supposedly top tier player around Europe, he hasn't been able to generate any sort of market for him.
 

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Bizarre, most on here believe that PSG are madly in love with him and will sign him at any cost.
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It's hard for people to see something they don't want to see sadly.
We do it as Muppets though for signings, shite on anything negative, no matter how reliable, and embrace and take as gospel anything positive no matter how unreliable.
 

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That reads like we are willing to risk losing him on a free next season. No offer from PSG either.

Tbh, after Varane and Sancho deals am fine with it especially if we can somehow add a proper DM in this window. Actually, we have no other choice.

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ffs....sell Pogba make 50m off of him and swing for the fences by putting in an audacious bid for DeJong.
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De Jong and Pedri are Barca most valuable assets and foundation of another brilliant midfield. Even they are not that dumb to sell. They will try to solve their financial problems by offloading other players. De Jong is probably the last on the selling list.

It is like trying to go for Verratti.

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Raiola might be better served wondering why, in the three or so years he's been punting this supposedly top tier player around Europe, he hasn't been able to generate any sort of market for him.
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Some people in this thread may ask the similar question.
 

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@Jim Beam DeJong is certainly one of their most valuable assets and they've talked about how one of the big assets will ahve to be moved. I think if Koeman wasn't in charge, it could possibly work but he won't sell a fellow dutchman from Barca
 

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That last part is exactly what I was just referring to. Everyone clamoring about him going to PSG based on some week links, when as mentioned, Pogba doesn't even fancy PSG, and there is clear evidence for that, whereas there is none to weak evidence that he wants a move to PSG.
Won't stop the rumor mill though, will it.
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That's why he will want to go for free. Then his 'choice' clubs can afford him with no transfer fees to pay.
He's just stringing United along.
 

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What? If PSG loses interest, his contract with United is over at the end of the season. You're acting like this is a Sanchez situation.
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You're missing the point. If PSG lose interest, then he'll simply resign with United due to a lack of options. No doubt about it.

PSG and United are among a small handfull of clubs that can accomodate Pogba's inflated salary demands. Remove them from the equation and you have, what, City? He'll never sign for them.
 

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SirAnderson said:
That last part is exactly what I was just referring to. Everyone clamoring about him going to PSG based on some week links, when as mentioned, Pogba doesn't even fancy PSG, and there is clear evidence for that, whereas there is none to weak evidence that he wants a move to PSG.
Won't stop the rumor mill though, will it.
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Where is the evidence Pogba doesn't fancy PSG? Sorry if it's been posted already.
 

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We are better with pogba than without pogba if utilized properly. If this is a make or break season for Ole, Ole will be smart to just let his contract run out and get the most out of him in his last season.
 

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You're missing the point. If PSG lose interest, then he'll simply resign with United due to a lack of options. No doubt about it.

PSG and United are among a small handfull of clubs that can accomodate Pogba's inflated salary demands. Remove them from the equation and you have, what, City? He'll never sign for them.
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Why would we re-sign him if he plays bad enough for PSG to lose interest?
 

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There are a few posters attacking his influence on the dressing room etc and probably most of that is without foundation. Mainly though, as far as I know, it’s not his attitude that people don’t like, it’s his performances. His numbers are okay in the main but, personally, I don’t think the team looks balanced with him in it no matter where we put him. It’s not his fault, he doesn’t do it on purpose, I have nothing against him. I just don’t think it’s worked out for him. The constant rumours about him leaving haven’t helped but mainly he doesn’t have the right type or quality of player around him to bring the best out of him.

I’m not sure why so many people want to classify opinions as agendas but, on balance, I’d probably be happier if he left. I don’t start with that position and then argue that he’s not good enough, I formed an opinion of his contribution over a long period of time and then, based on that, I became inclined towards wanting him to move on. I’m not sure if that makes me over-critical of him but, certainly, I would want him to stay if he started producing consistently.
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All good points, and your perception is your own and therefore legitimate. I don't see an agenda from you, in other words; you seem thoughtful and measured. I also agree that most opinions are just that: opinions. In Pogba's case, however, it's become an agenda. Or rather, it began as an agenda by a few of our detractors and rivals and was then, over time, thoughtlessly adopted by so many more that it became an unexamined narrative, a kind of orthodoxy.

But also, here's the thing: I genuinely don't see the on-field issue(s) with Pogba. He might get caught dwelling on the ball a few times a season (who doesn't?), he might have a few defensive lapses, but overall, I love to watch him play, his grace and his movement, his athleticism, his technical brilliance, his defence-splitting passes, his work with the ball in tight spaces, all of it. For me, you don't discard a player of his kind of generational talent because you can't fit him into the system; you tweak the system to fit him in, find the players who will bring out the best of him.

You might think this simplistic, but he is literally the type of player I watch football for, so when a player like that plays for United, I'm doubly invested in him staying. I know this part isn't your angle, and I respect that, but I don't believe the media narrative at all. If he was as toxic as they say, his teammates wouldn't be so openly supportive of him. Within the game, he seems universally loved. I honestly do think we've been duped by a kind of snowballing narrative begun by our rivals and by hostile pundits with Liverpool ties, all of whom were terrified of our return to prominence when Pogba came back to us. The high cost of the transfer only gave them more grist for their mill, ammunition with which to ridicule and therefore undermine us and him. Over time, countless new voices have been added via media punditry and social media, but for me, the vast majority of those voices are simply repeating and amplifying a false narrative. It's been actually painful for me to see it all play out. We've been played. And Pogba if he goes will be going partly because we fans didn't rally around in sufficient numbers. Note: partly. It'll be one element of a complex situation, but any player will be affected by a sense that a significant number of his own club's fans are okay with seeing him go. I guess what I'm saying is I wish more of us had said from the start that we're not okay with seeing him go.
 

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And anyone who doesn't share the same bloodlust for some of our players gets labeled a fanboy rather than the true fans who despise United players :lol::rolleyes:
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I have a policy not to publicly hate on any of our players. I looked on in horror when a vast number of our own fans ridiculed Luke Shaw for years before his resurgence. Do people not realize that some of this negativity can filter through to the players themselves and affect their performances? That they add aid and comfort to our rivals? That doesn't mean we can't moan at the odd poor back pass or at a player for dwelling on the ball in any given moment, but I mean the long-term constant negativity that the likes of Shaw suffered, and now aimed at Pogba and Martial. I mean, I wasn't impressed initially by Maguire, for example, but I kept it to myself, and he improved tremendously at the back end of last season. It's like some people see a situation and think it's never going to change, that the out of form player is only gonna get worse, and never better. It's weird to me.
 

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His not going to PSG. Full stop. In 2018 he even stated his mother is Marseille fan and PSG wasn't really an option which lead to this banner been put up by PSG fans. 3 years in football is a long time, sure, but things like this don't just magically disappear.


I fully expect Pogba to be with us for this season. Only question will be whether he runs down his contract or renews it.

With that, I'd much prefer he renews, but I suspect he knows that will further hamper any possibility of a transfer elsewhere. Worst case, Real get him on a free next year.
Best case, he sees out the start of the season, it goes well and he renews and finally delivers to the potential he was expected to bring when he came back. Fantasy, but hey, everyone else is smoking stuff, may as well join in.
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That came as a result of an interview in 2018 that had resurfaced in recent days. Pasting the relevant section below:

In an interview with Canal+, the France international said: "I'm sure that I wouldn't play club football at the Parc des Princes.

"I'm not attracted to that because my father and mother were fans of Marseille so Paris doesn't really fit into my plans."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pogba-psg-transfer-rule-out-24610217

Suffice to say as depicted in the banner the fans erected, they were not too happy with those comments.

Granted, fans are fickle and time can change things, but I honestly just don't see Pogba to PSG happening right now or any time for that matter, but of course I can't say it with any certainty, but based on that I'm more inclined to accept that reality, than the constant easy rumor mill that he is on his way to PSG.

His dream was always Real Madrid if I recall, and who knows how they will be come next summer. So if I were him, and I REALLY, wanted out of United, I'd run my contract down and see how things look next summer.

Still, I think he renews, maybe not the most likely option, more a hopeful one, but the above would be his best bet.

The clubs best best would be that we can sell him now for a decent fee and put everything behind us.

The fairytale is he renews to show his commitment, with the same wages, or a little more, whatever that is, I've never really been one to get bogged down about wages, and he starts to show the consistency we expect as fans, and the club and he expects of himself I'm sure.

Long speech again, apologies.
 

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I think he'll wait until January to see what other offers he gets and make a decision then.
 
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