Well, he can walk on water...When you have him then you do not need anyone else.
Has it become obvious now that we can’t challenge for the league?
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Its 7 games and we are on 2pts a game which if mirrored over the season results in 76 pts.2 pts more than last year and not enough to be anywhere near champions.
You could even make the argument that our current squad is on par with the squad that won the league in 2013. If it wasn’t for midfield it would even be better.
Doesn’t work like that though..
Did anyone hand on heart actually for a minute think Ole would ever be capable of winning the league considering the competition he is up against? Rival teams have the likes of Pep and Klopp. Ole regardless of how much backing he was given will never win the league or any other major trophy because he's simply not good enough to do so. Top 4 is the only goal he can aquire. Only way Ole could ever win the league is if the rival teams were managed by the likes of Allardyce and Pulis.
If anyone associated with the club thought that we could genuinely challenge for the title, I think that they were sorely mistaken!
Why we ultimately don’t is a huge debate but we are so far behind it should be obvious
Why we ultimately don’t is a huge debate but we are so far behind it should be obvious
No it might be better... or worse
As everyone knows, a very average and limited central midfield engine room is fecking us. McTominay and Fred have such poor dribbling and ball retention skills that it's criminal they are starting games for a Premier League club, never mind Manchester United. Just the technique of McTominay is so substandard for a top-level midfielder; he has no feel for weighting a pass and it's as if he's knocking it to another player if he does find someone.
Going into the summer transfer window that most fans would have prioritized those positions for rebuilding and we have added no-one. On the face of it, we're looking at finishing in the top four as our best case scenario, and it's barely October.
I've given Ole support since he's been put in charge and still do but the failure to improve the midfield unit has been absolutely infuriating.
Going into the summer transfer window that most fans would have prioritized those positions for rebuilding and we have added no-one. On the face of it, we're looking at finishing in the top four as our best case scenario, and it's barely October.
I've given Ole support since he's been put in charge and still do but the failure to improve the midfield unit has been absolutely infuriating.
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We used to have Anderson and Hargreaves in midfield and bossed other midfields.
I think deep down we knew Ole wouldn't win anything big but it was exciting to see a legend at the club in the top role, in the hope of glory and getting the club DNA, and a guy who was immersed with Fergie. Chelsea realised Lampard (legend) wasn't up for it and now Tuchel is killing it.
The only thing that is obvious is how stupid this thread is 
We are exactly like Chelsea under Lampard, underperforming and inconsistent. Luckily for Chelsea they could see this and were decisive in their action. They have improved significantly under Tuchel and won the CL. Sadly for us I can't see the board doing the same as Chelsea did. Imagine if we had picked up Tuchel instead and Chelsea had stuck with Lampard, I'd imagine our fortunes would be reversed. We seem no better now even with the addition of new players. So we are stagnating while our rivals progress. How can the board be happy standing still, we haven't really improved under Ole, our squad is better but the standard of our play isn't. We are no closer to winning a title now than when he took over. Would love to see us get someone like Erik ten Haag in, he's done incredible work with Ajax over the years. This is likely to be Cavani's final year, possibly Pogba's and Ronaldo will be a year older so we don't have the luxury of time. Ole has steadied the ship but I can't see us progressing with him at the helm.I think deep down we knew Ole wouldn't win anything big but it was exciting to see a legend at the club in the top role, in the hope of glory and getting the club DNA, and a guy who was immersed with Fergie. Chelsea realised Lampard (legend) wasn't up for it and now Tuchel is killing it.
I think I was expecting the boost in team confidence to glue things together but now it's very clear that we need a better coaching team to give us some cohesion in the middle and grit at the back.
Then sort out the tombola up front
What Chelsea do quite well usually is get rid of a manager fairly quickly when a top manager becomes available. United have missed out on some good managers the past 8 or 9 years by being too slow on the up take.
Currently there is quite a few talented, young, German managers who play a high pressing system. I fear we'll wait a few years by which time a new style counter acts that and a new wave of coaches rise to the top...and then we'll hire a now not so young high pressing German coach who has already been left in the dust by the new wave...
Currently there is quite a few talented, young, German managers who play a high pressing system. I fear we'll wait a few years by which time a new style counter acts that and a new wave of coaches rise to the top...and then we'll hire a now not so young high pressing German coach who has already been left in the dust by the new wave...
This was fairly obvious even before the season began. Recent performances have only strongly consolidated that opinion.
The Guardian paints the real picture
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...t-being-realised-as-everton-do-more-with-less
I'm not sure of yesterday's match stats but I doubt if anyone covered as many metres or square metres than Cavani
I thought we're not only look great for about 15-20 minutes in the first half, and after that, once Everton got a grip on what we're doing they were comfortable at containing our attack.
Martial goal only come because the guy who marked Bruno missed his interception badly.
It was clear to me that we're never gonna scored another goal again
With our style of play I can't see us finishing above Liverpool, Chelsea and City.
I think for Ole has taken us as far as he can, the only way I can see him lasting at United is if he needs a great 1st team coach to instill the style of play he supposedly wants.
Someone to improve off ball movement, passing under, pressure, pressing and the dreaded patterns of play.
I think for Ole has taken us as far as he can, the only way I can see him lasting at United is if he needs a great 1st team coach to instill the style of play he supposedly wants.
Someone to improve off ball movement, passing under, pressure, pressing and the dreaded patterns of play.
I think ole done a terrible mistake in welcome back ronaldo. Of course he is a match winner on his day but with him also comes expectation. Without him nobody call this bad result.
United are still finding feet and picking up results all along just three points seperate them from top. But with Ronaldo it will not be enough. He demands no.1 and visibly dressing room looked shaken.
Vdb threw tantrum was one thing but if Ronaldo will do then that's the end of ole in my opinion.
United are still finding feet and picking up results all along just three points seperate them from top. But with Ronaldo it will not be enough. He demands no.1 and visibly dressing room looked shaken.
Vdb threw tantrum was one thing but if Ronaldo will do then that's the end of ole in my opinion.
well yeah.. that’s the nature of football for every team.
Its early days but whilst we have an embarrassment of attacking options we lack players who can control a midfield and feed the attackers. Top 4 is my expectation but never say never.
Last year City had less points than us after 7 games and won the league comfortably. I wouldn't panic at this point we still have a lot of time to moan if things don't improve, it's a long season.
At the risk of stating the obvious, City are a very good team. They'd gotten 98 and 100 points in two of the previous three seasons. So everyone knew City had extra gears to go into. In our case, we need to reach a level that we've never managed before under Ole and never really shown signs of reaching. So comparing the two situations isn't that relevant.
Added to the fact that the first seven games were about the easiest run of games on paper of any of the other top 6 sides other than Everton ( if Everton could even be considered as such)
Man Utds fixtures for the next seven games are a hell of a lot tougher so even 2pts a game will be a very tough ask given how they are playing.
It was obvious at the start of the season. Our squad lacks balance, and even when they are playing well, most of them are bottlers. AWB isn’t a footballer enough for a progressive team and McFred have regressed from last season. Sancho, expectedly, hasn’t made an impact yet and our CBs are good, but not good enough to save us from our other weaknesses. Which are obviously not just related to how good our players are, but our manager too.
We have some weird fans who think management is like football manager. Choose a tactic, buy players, with time it works
Then ole should be held accountable
Sack the Manager now!!
I know ya're all bitter, but, please, let us wait until the horrific schedule after the break is over (yeah you all know the schedule). Then discuss it.
We're on track for 76pts. Despite yet having to play one of the big teams.
I don't know what people think will change under ole at this point, or how exactly he'll just suddenly click into a higher gear. We've got 66pts then 74 pts under ole. We're absolutely not getting anything close to 90 and results and performances already have proven that
I don't know what people think will change under ole at this point, or how exactly he'll just suddenly click into a higher gear. We've got 66pts then 74 pts under ole. We're absolutely not getting anything close to 90 and results and performances already have proven that
I don't buy into the narrative that we lack players who can control midfield. There are teams below us that have been assembled for a fraction of our budget that manage to outplay us. Do Villa, West ham, Villarreal, Young Boys really possess vastly superior midfielders than we do? The amount of money we spent on Fred alone would make for a very decent transfer budget for many of the teams that outplay us. It's a lazy excuse in my opinion and has been over emphasised by many on here as a way of defending the manager.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to argue we have a world class midfield. It's clearly the weakest area in our team. But it's not so weak as to justify the miserable performances, or to excuse consistently being overrun by inferior teams. That comes down to poor tactics and coaching, and it's for that reason that we have no chance of challenging for the title.
Probably he should. Our signings under Ole and especially Jose leave a lot to be desired. Dalot, Fred, Matic, Van De Beek, AWB. (Some may even add Maguire and Lindelöf, or even Sancho.) That’s a lot of money wasted on players who really aren’t good enough to win us a PL title.
I would also mention that in previous seasons De Gea’s passive, shy goalkeeping has also kept us back, but this season it hasn’t been as much of a problem, because he has been quite good and confident.
I felt yesterday was a big game to pick up must win points and we didn’t do it if we are to win a league we need a claw every point we can and willy nilly throwing away points are what is going to lose us a title. We haven’t got the strength of City or Chelsea even Liverpool, I think we could still run them close but things need to improve drastically.
I can see why Ole has put out attacking teams and wants to pick up as many points as possible by it has backfired on him a bit, but what do you do if you want to win a league you need to be attacking so maybe carry on in this vein until things come together would be the best thing to do.
I can see why Ole has put out attacking teams and wants to pick up as many points as possible by it has backfired on him a bit, but what do you do if you want to win a league you need to be attacking so maybe carry on in this vein until things come together would be the best thing to do.
its way too early for such claims
I think Ole needs another five seasons and £500M more to spend before we can seriously challenge for the title.
Just kidding it was obvious very early on for me we wouldn’t seriously be challenging for the title under Ole ever let alone this season.
Just kidding it was obvious very early on for me we wouldn’t seriously be challenging for the title under Ole ever let alone this season.
I agree it's far too early. We aren't playing well, some loose decisions and line ups too, and not many players in form but no other team is really looking elite at the moment to be honest. Still really early days. Some big matches coming up, momentum could swing, and we have started slow last 2 seasons.
Thank God the manager and the team don't share the same mentality of most of the fans in this thread. Bunch of wet wipes.
That's not true, Managers Improve players by teaching them things but we've got a Cluless manager, and that's our biggest problem right now!!
I too think we can still make a push, things haven’t even came together yet and as you say we aren’t playing well. I believe we can only improve.
I admire the optimism of some. Not that this team isn't good to make a push. But with Ole I feel we have no chance
It has been obvious for over 2 years now and we all know the reason. But don't worry guys, we will probably manage to scrape a win against struggling Leicester next week after getting absolutely battered and it will all be good again. The usual trolls will come back in force with classics like "posts actually made on a day we beat Leicester". Can't wait.