Has it become obvious now that we can’t challenge for the league?

[Micky Targaryen]

Lots of posts saying that the team are capable of challenging the league but not the manager. It’s only a matter of time when the team decides that they do not want to play for the manager anymore.

 

[Andersonson]

Look at our best 11 vs Liverpool and City. We lose that battle.

Liverpool has got Robertson, VvD and Arnold. That's 3 better than ours.
In midfield they got Hendo and Fabinho. Both better than ours. That's 5
Salah and Mane are better than two of our forwards. That 7.

You could argue that Alisson is better too, but that's too close imo.

Us winning the league would be an amazing feat and not expected.

Even though we have bought well we ain't a title winning squad yet. I know media and fans think so, but that's not the case in my book. We're still a top 4 side.

 

[Hammondo]

We have Paul Pogba and Bruno Fernandes, our issue is that we have no fecking idea what to do with them. There is zero plan and hasn’t been for a long long time now.
We can bet your arse Pep, Klopp or Tuchel would get a functional midfield out of our squad, cause you know, they’d have a plan.

Yes with have those 2, whats your point? Bruno never plays in midfield and Pogba is generally poor there.

"We can bet your arse Pep, Klopp or Tuchel would get a functional midfield out of our squad,"
None of them would play Pogba, bruno would not be given the crazy freedom he has at the moment.

 

[doomy20]

Was obvious before already as Klopp Tuchel and Pep are on a different level compared to our coach

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

"We can bet your arse Pep, Klopp or Tuchel would get a functional midfield out of our squad,"
None of them would play Pogba, bruno would not be given the crazy freedom he has at the moment.

well there you go then.

They’d get a functioning midfield from it.

 

[bondsname]

I have unfortunately adjusted my expectations for this season.

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

The vast majority of players have no fight in them.

Until that changes no Manager will lead us to the title.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Look at our best 11 vs Liverpool and City. We lose that battle.

Liverpool has got Robertson, VvD and Arnold. That's 3 better than ours.
In midfield they got Hendo and Fabinho. Both better than ours. That's 5
Salah and Mane are better than two of our forwards. That 7.

You could argue that Alisson is better too, but that's too close imo.

Us winning the league would be an amazing feat and not expected.

Even though we have bought well we ain't a title winning squad yet. I know media and fans think so, but that's not the case in my book. We're still a top 4 side.

Do we play Liverpool every week or squads like Villa and Everton that ours shits all over?

 

[mav_9me]

There’s no hope of winning the league with Ole as manager and Mcfred playing every week, I’ve no idea how anyone can think otherwise.

Anyone who cannot see this is deluding himself.

 

[Hammondo]

well there you go then.

They’d get a functioning midfield from it.

Yes it would be functional, better than Chelsea's? No.

 

[U99ted]

Stop it. It’s 6 games in .. 30 left.we’re 2 points off the top.

With the fixtures we've played, 4 wins in 7 is a very poor return.

 

[Godfather]

Squad's good enough. The manager and the whole coaching stuff isn't. Simple

 

[Sandikan]

Was always the case that we could improve and still come 4th this year.
But we haven't even improved.

We're a team of names, not a functioning team.
Greenwood and Sancho are kid doing their own thing and there's no link from the whole attack.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Yes it would be functional, better than Chelsea's? No.

Liverpool’s is nothing compared to Chelsea’s either, fortunately for them they don’t play Chelsea every week.

 

[Hammondo]

Liverpool’s is nothing compared to Chelsea’s either, fortunately for them they don’t play Chelsea every week.

What's your point?

 

[::sonny::]

This squad looks much worse than last year even with less ideas

 

[bosniamanutd]

the sooner ole get sacked the bigger chance to win something

 

[Ronaldo's Love Child]

We have a squad that should now be challenging for the title. I am a realist so that doesn't mean I expect us to win it but we should be challenging at least.

On paper, our players are as good as Liverpool and City. The real worry is that we should be beating Young Boys, Everton, Villareal (more convincingly) than we are doing. It's not the players. It's the tactics........and that comes from the manager.

Yes, we can all pick errors from our players in different games. Today I thought Varane's position for the Everton game was poor. He was stationery just outside Everton's box whilst Fred was desperately trying to regain possession and stop an Everton counter. We were 1-0 at that point so no need for Varane to be so high up the pitch but there you go. It's tempting to get sucked into blaming players as at least one of them will make a mistake (just the same as any other team).

Today and also against Villareal, the myth that we play badly against low block teams has been proven. At 1-1 with 11 mins to play Everton had 6 players pressing our defence!

I don't know what the solution is but I do know that OGS either is unable to identify tactical flaws to our game or is stubbornly sticking with this system until it "comes together".

Deep into injury time and OGS is laughing with one of his players on the pitch.......WTF!?

We can either wait until the end of the season when we fail to win anything or we sack him at Christmas time but I am afraid to say it is time for him to go

 

[el3mel]

We can still challenge for the league. We just need to act quickly in this international break.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Liverpool has got Robertson, VvD and Arnold. That's 3 better than ours.
In midfield they got Hendo and Fabinho. Both better than ours. That's 5
Salah and Mane are better than two of our forwards. That 7.

Funny how players get rated higher when teams play well (Sancho Dortmund) or worse when teams play poorly (Sancho United).

Luke Shaw was the “best LB in the World” when England made the final in the Summer, now he’s back to being nothing compared to Robertson and one of the reasons why we can’t expect a title challenge.

Klopp’s players are always overrated, same thing happened at Dortmund with player after player after player. Maybe the manager and his system has something to do with it? Hmmmmm

 

[weizxx]

Not a fecking chance. They will not sack Ole now.

 

[hobbers]

Look at our best 11 vs Liverpool and City. We lose that battle.

Liverpool has got Robertson, VvD and Arnold. That's 3 better than ours.
In midfield they got Hendo and Fabinho. Both better than ours. That's 5
Salah and Mane are better than two of our forwards. That 7.

You could argue that Alisson is better too, but that's too close imo.

Us winning the league would be an amazing feat and not expected.

Even though we have bought well we ain't a title winning squad yet. I know media and fans think so, but that's not the case in my book. We're still a top 4 side.

Shaw was better than Robertson all of last season.
TAA and Mane were pilloried by Liverpool fans all of last season.

 

[Revan]

This.

I wonder if he will lose the dressing room now it contains serial winners...

We all know he will finally look under threat, then put a little run together and be saved yet again

Should never have got the renewal. The signs were there

He should have nowhere to hide with this group of players. I said when the CL draw was made that he should be sacked for not making it out the group

He's stabilised the club, but needs to go ASAP as we are starting to go backwards

Differentiation needs to be made between him as a player and him as a manager

Absolutely. Ideally, he should have let go at the end of his season and never become permanent, but as permanent manager he should have been sacked after the defeat to Red Bull in last December. Everything that was to be known about him was known at that stage, so there was no point on continuing this miserable experiment.

Now is just in beyond ridiculous territory.

 

[kouroux]

It was obvious before the season started as we still had Ole who still had faith in our midfield.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

It was already obvious.

 

[izak]

We are not good enough, it's down to the manager

 

[matsdf]

Every team seems to be pretty trash this season, it's pretty weird.

 

[Ikon]

Or is it still far too early in the season to come to such a conclusion?

No where near good enough to win a League title in my honest opinion, simply not as a good a team as City, Chelsea or Liverpool.

 

[BlueHaze]

We can still challenge for the league. We just need to act quickly in this international break.

I'm assuming you mean by getting in a new manager which won't happen.

 

[Infra-red]

I didn't expect a challenge before the season commenced and things are panning out pretty much as predicted. We'll be OK (3rd/4th, most likely), but probably won't challenge for any major trophy.

 

[SER19]

There's a zero percent chance of winning league with Ole, as much as i hate to say it. We're 7 games in and have dropped 7 points to Southampton, Everton and villa.

 

[Ralph1386]

When we can’t beat Villa and Everton at home, it’s pretty obvious we’re not challenging for the title.

Sad to say this with the squad we have.

 

[lilcurt]

People talk about McFred who admittedly aren't good enough. But by far the biggest weakness of United is the manager and coaches.

Give us prime Barcelona and Ole and these coaches wouldn't compete, they are MILES behind.

We won't do anything while they are here.

 

[The Man Himself]

Forget the league, I am worried about top 4.

 

[Hughie77]

Always been obvious, top 4 is the only target, and like if you say shoot for the moon, you will hit a star at least, and that's UTD now. We have to get at least 86 plus points to even hope of getting top spot. When was the last time UTD got that amount. Most was 82 I think under Jose in recent times. City, Pool, Chelsea are all better in terms of established players . Only Chelsea I put in the same bracket as UTD, but with a more experienced guy in charge.

The only thing I can say after watching the first 7 league games, and the rest , there is massive amount of talent in the UTD squad, there not being utilised in the right way.

 

[drunkmonkmeth]

Zero chance ole competes with 3 of the 5 best managers in world football right now.

 

[Solius]

Nope. It’s not realistic. We still drop silly points and other teams don’t.

 

[Ferguson’s Hairdryer]

Unfortunately you're probably right. However... how long until people start claiming the goal for the season was never a title challenge, but top 4 all along?

That actually true. Won’t be along until it’s the players that are not good enough becomes the narrative

 

[Valar Morghulis]

What can we do to fix this situation?Sack Ole and sign the best manager who’s available right now?Would Zidane or Conte be good enough to manage us?

Sell my Ford Focus and buy the best car I can get? Would a Lamborghini or Porsche be good enough to drive?

 

[Fooza]

When we signed Ronaldo I started to believe, dammit.