For me Van gaal was the best as he had a clear vision and his impact was obvious on the team. He didn't have the players for it through and we ended up playing incredibly dull football. But he was a good man, had a great personality, and maybe could've achieved more with the right players.
Is Jose Mourinho still our best manager post Fergie?
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We have been considerably better to watch under Ole than Mourinho. It's a view shared by match-going fans. Revisionism will always happen with someone like Mourinho, but i'd argue more people wanted him out of the club than currently want Ole out and with good reason.
Biggest thing was Jose wanted out, Ole doesn't. Not that Ole should get any more time but at least his heart is in the right place he's just come up short as most expected.
I will never associate Jose with the club in the future looking back but Ole can't ever lose that his playing career will always be more important than how his managerial career finshed.
Where the hell did I say he didn't sign Fred? He was trash in the transfer market which is why we changed how we did transfers. Unfortunately we are either still trash in the market because of ole or because of his superiors. Don't know or care which. I just said I'd take a few more of Mourinhos shitty signings because at least he gave us a few trophies instead of just ruining signings like ole has
I would take Ole signings over Jose's targets without doubt. Ole won't be here forever. The moment we hire good coach, we will be a different team. Very different from winning a league cup but ending up with shit loads of deadwood who needs replacing and on high wages.
In the end, none of Moyes, Van Gaal, Ole, Jose are good enough.
Agree longterm, but oles signings are only better if the next manager actually does well with them. Otherwise, again, I'd take mourinhos clown show
In the history books? Yes by far.
Louis van Gaal.
His football was boring but we could see the team had a system. It could've worked if United had bought better players.
His football was boring but we could see the team had a system. It could've worked if United had bought better players.
This. IF Lvg have had complete control on incoming transfer (for which he said that he didn't) with Ole's budget, he would be excellent for us. Our best football since Fergie left, was under him (talking about moments, not entire reign). And he eas the only one who played attacking football.
With our current squad, we would be koy to watch under Lvg.
In terms of results Mou is the best. I personally believe LVG is the best coach for United but no one has the patient for him to implement his idea.
I do not know who is responsible identify transfer targets in Man Utd. I don't believe head coach has the time and resource to do that. That's why there is a scout department.
In my opinion it's Louis Van Gaal. He had a system and he tried to implement a vision that for whatever reason it didn't work. But, for the brief time that it did, we totally dominated Spurs, City, Liverpool at Anfield and Chelsea at Stamford Bridge like I've never seen us do since. It didn't ultimately work because of poor recruitment, and because some of our players are too thick to learn and adapt, nor do they give a shit about double sessions or video instructions, but he was an amazing coach and I would loved to see him manage us earlier in his career.
Mourinho just bought better players and played pragmatic soccer without building anything long term. He left such a circus behind.
Moyes was just never the right fit for the club, he couldn't handle it.
I'd say LVG, OGS, JM, DM
Mourinho just bought better players and played pragmatic soccer without building anything long term. He left such a circus behind.
Moyes was just never the right fit for the club, he couldn't handle it.
I'd say LVG, OGS, JM, DM
I would say that Ole has been our best manager in the post SAF era.Finishing 3rd and 2nd over the last 2 seasons represents better progress than just winning a few cups.So all in all I would say that Ole has been our best manager in the post SAF era…but he has taken us as far as he can,now we need a better manager to take us to the next level….
I agree with the part where you said he would have been amazing earlier on in his career….But honestly,his spell was a huge dissapointment.Apart from a 8-10 game spell in his first season when it looked like we were making progress,the rest of his spell was a big dissapointment.The quality of our football was pathetic and his performance in the transfer window was horrendous…
Plus we were okay against the better teams in the league simply because all the top teams in the PL were also very poor.City were very poor during LVG’s time(pre Pep era),Klopp had just taken over Liverpool so they were nowhere close to winning the league…Chelsea won the league playing terrible football under Conte,and Leicester city won the league in LVG’s 2nd season.The quality of the PL was very poor back then,and yet we finished 4th and 5th in his two seasons….unacceptable.
To rate a manager imo we should rate by the following:
1. The silverwares: Mou is the best, that can't be denied. But tbh I don't really think a League Cup and a Europa League is something big. We're not a middle table team.
2. The football: Mou is the worst tbh. His football is exactly like our domestic football. Where all teams employ a big white/black forward to bully our asian defenders. The idea was pumping long balls toward that forward and hope something happen while the rest stay at the back. The only difference was fat Lukaku was shite against the PL defenders. LVG was simply terribly boring to watch. Ole's football has been inconsistent but at least the idea was to attack and we were quite exciting to watch occasionally. All three were pretty disjointed or clueless in how to break down a packed defense. So imo Ole's football is so far the best, at least for the ones who fancy an attacking approach.
3. The transfers: LVG and Mou probably were equally worst. But at least LVG did paid some attention to the youngsters. Both left behind a massive mess. But imo Mou left a worse one as he was the one who instilled the mercenary culture. So Mou is the worst. Ole of course is the best so far. He has transformed us from a team where a top 4 was the only hope to one of the best squads in Europe and we'd be disappointed if we don't win the title.
So imo Mou is definitely not our best manager post SAF. He is the worst in 2/3.
1. The silverwares: Mou is the best, that can't be denied. But tbh I don't really think a League Cup and a Europa League is something big. We're not a middle table team.
2. The football: Mou is the worst tbh. His football is exactly like our domestic football. Where all teams employ a big white/black forward to bully our asian defenders. The idea was pumping long balls toward that forward and hope something happen while the rest stay at the back. The only difference was fat Lukaku was shite against the PL defenders. LVG was simply terribly boring to watch. Ole's football has been inconsistent but at least the idea was to attack and we were quite exciting to watch occasionally. All three were pretty disjointed or clueless in how to break down a packed defense. So imo Ole's football is so far the best, at least for the ones who fancy an attacking approach.
3. The transfers: LVG and Mou probably were equally worst. But at least LVG did paid some attention to the youngsters. Both left behind a massive mess. But imo Mou left a worse one as he was the one who instilled the mercenary culture. So Mou is the worst. Ole of course is the best so far. He has transformed us from a team where a top 4 was the only hope to one of the best squads in Europe and we'd be disappointed if we don't win the title.
So imo Mou is definitely not our best manager post SAF. He is the worst in 2/3.
He was the most successful since Fergie but Chelsea got the best version of Jose. He was a a bit of a dick by the time he came to Utd. Hope he finds some happiness at Roma.
100%
Not even a debate
Not even a debate
.I’d take two top four finishes as a sign of progress rather than winning Mickey Mouse cups. League is the key and Mourinho wasn’t even our second best manager. Not to mention he monumentally lost the dressing room and football was our worst by a long shot.
It's Van Gaal, he was the only one who had a clear vision for us going forward. I'd even have Ole above Jose purely because of the latter's toxic style of management regardless of trophies won and the less said about that complete dud Moyes the better.
Mourinho's time was a bit odd and changed dramatically so it depends when you focus on.
The first season was entertaining - loads of chances we couldnt convert and 2 trophies + champions league qualification. A good season.
Second season started well - lots of 4-0 wins and cruised the champions league group in first but things changed around christmas. Sanchez arrived, Pogba fluttered his eyelashes at City, Pogba and Lukaku fell out and Mourinho seemed to fall out with Pogba on top of Martial and Shaw. The rest of the season was grinding results - the Seville game - more defensive football but ending up in the fa cup final and 2nd with 80+ points. A decent season on paper but warning signs.
At that point you either back the man - get rid of Martial/Pogba and bring Perisic etc or you sack and move on - ( if he had resigned here he would of been though of much more highly i think)
3rd season - car crash. Spent the summer making it clear publicly he was v unhappy with squad then struggled for results - he wanted to win matches but also wanted to be sacked in my opinion.Left a toxic feel.
Overall the most successful since Fergie and 2nd highest win % in United's history so defintely #1 since Fergie but by the time he left he was also the #1 most disliked manager - a chunk of fans hated him from the start but that 3rd season was the worst.
The first season was entertaining - loads of chances we couldnt convert and 2 trophies + champions league qualification. A good season.
Second season started well - lots of 4-0 wins and cruised the champions league group in first but things changed around christmas. Sanchez arrived, Pogba fluttered his eyelashes at City, Pogba and Lukaku fell out and Mourinho seemed to fall out with Pogba on top of Martial and Shaw. The rest of the season was grinding results - the Seville game - more defensive football but ending up in the fa cup final and 2nd with 80+ points. A decent season on paper but warning signs.
At that point you either back the man - get rid of Martial/Pogba and bring Perisic etc or you sack and move on - ( if he had resigned here he would of been though of much more highly i think)
3rd season - car crash. Spent the summer making it clear publicly he was v unhappy with squad then struggled for results - he wanted to win matches but also wanted to be sacked in my opinion.Left a toxic feel.
Overall the most successful since Fergie and 2nd highest win % in United's history so defintely #1 since Fergie but by the time he left he was also the #1 most disliked manager - a chunk of fans hated him from the start but that 3rd season was the worst.
Your second sentence is a complete contradiction of the facts.
I’d take two top four finishes as a sign of progress rather than winning Mickey Mouse cups. League is the key and Mourinho wasn’t even our second best manager. Not to mention he monumentally lost the dressing room and football was our worst by a long shot.
But hey. Why confuse facts with emotion.
Price-wise, yes clearly.
In terms of helping the club forward, you should have stuck with Van Gaal. Mourinho years are lost years by default any year you don't get results and in the end of the day the results with Mourinho were also average at best. His results were better than LvG's (also a better squad eventually of course), but LvG could have brought the club further. Mourinho has done absolutely nothing in that respect. Obviously Ole and Moyes are not in their league as managers.
In terms of helping the club forward, you should have stuck with Van Gaal. Mourinho years are lost years by default any year you don't get results and in the end of the day the results with Mourinho were also average at best. His results were better than LvG's (also a better squad eventually of course), but LvG could have brought the club further. Mourinho has done absolutely nothing in that respect. Obviously Ole and Moyes are not in their league as managers.
Yes he is, and that's pretty sad considering how he turned out to be for us.
For me Van Gaal was the worst. His impact seemed to basically neuter us as an attacking force. The players never knew what do with the ball, they just cycled it up one wing and then back down into midfield and up the other wing over and over again. I think he had a really negative impact on many of those players that seemed to infect every new addition to the squad. Sometimes it still feels like it lingers on to this day.
This is spot on.
His biggest failing was recruitment and by the time he wanted to rectify those mistakes, especially Pogba, the board had given up. Third season was always going to be a disaster when he didn’t get his way.
He was definitely right about Pogba and Martial. They should have been hauled out of here long ago, probably would have got twice what we’d get now too. I did enjoy the first 18 months of his tenure, it’s the last time I’ve felt like this club really had some ambition to win things.
LVG never once looked like he'd win the league, and neither did JM, and neither does Ole. Moyes is there to be forgotten. A stain on our history.
I really liked Louis as a person and I respected him the most out of our post SAF managers because he had his own vision and did things his way even though it failed. The football was dire at times but I don't think people give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the transfers and whether they were really his choice. I think in his words a lot of the signings were "7th choice" at best.
I've seen people say that LVG gutted a title winning squad but look at what that squad was doing the year previously under Moyes and look where most of those players went with their career trajectory. It was only the miracle of SIr Alex Ferguson that a lot of those players were title winners anyway.
Yes, he is the best manager to manage us since Sir Alex left but still nowhere near good enough.
Can we have a poll?
The EL final was a good chance for Ole to change opinions on this thread, but he didn't and unfortunately looks like it's going only downhill.
Unfortunately, yes.
Unfortunately, yes.
Yes he may not have been the best but he was the most successful without a doubt. LVG was the only option at that time. But he did buy a lot of players who never succeeded.
I miss our team playing with a some kind of philosophy and vision.
You can say whatever you want about Jose at least we played with purpose, we knew where we stood as a fan when it came to the football. Even picked up some silverware along the way which edges it for me.
You can say whatever you want about Jose at least we played with purpose, we knew where we stood as a fan when it came to the football. Even picked up some silverware along the way which edges it for me.
The only thing the ones saying “Ole” in this debate were hanging onto was the “mess” at the end of Mourinho, well our form is worse now, we’re being humiliated and we’ve won feck all in 3 years. Martial feels as bad as he did under Mourinho, Pogba too, he’s half gone, Donny feels like shit, Sancho scratching his head, Mata, Cavani likely fuming etc etc etc.
Mourinho clearly pisses this non-Debate.
Mourinho clearly pisses this non-Debate.
But it's very important to note that this doesn't mean Mourinho wasn't a failure. He was. He wasn't good enough. If Solskjaer does turn out to be even worse, well, that's an indictment on him.
Most points since Sir Alex retired was Jose's 2nd season, best defensive record in that time was his 2 full seasons, 2 trophies + 1 other final...
We didn't back him in the transfer window when he wanted a defender so he threw his toys out of the pram and sulked but if we're not going to back a manager I don't blame him.
Van Gaal is the one I wish had worked out though, it felt like right at the end he was realising his style wasn't working but we'd already decided to get Jose in but at least with him you could clearly see what he wanted to do and how he wanted to play.
We didn't back him in the transfer window when he wanted a defender so he threw his toys out of the pram and sulked but if we're not going to back a manager I don't blame him.
Van Gaal is the one I wish had worked out though, it felt like right at the end he was realising his style wasn't working but we'd already decided to get Jose in but at least with him you could clearly see what he wanted to do and how he wanted to play.
We looked as shit, players looked completely out of sync. We moaned about the same things even back then, only difference was we had manager who had good CV.
It's not as if we had some philosophy and played some football sticking to that. It was such a random football.
Only time we had plan was under Van Gaal but the execution was shit.
Exactly. We had 0 good managers post SAF. Whether Jose was better than Ole doesn't matter. Ultimate goal was winning league or challenging, we failed in every season.
From best to worst in the post Fergie era....
Mourinho > Van Gaal > Ole > Moyes
Mourinho > Van Gaal > Ole > Moyes
Mou or Van Gaal. I preferred LVG’s football but Mou’s second season we looked excellent.
Shame Jupp Heynckes retired. He would have been perfect for us. What a manager with Bayern! His sides played exactly the football we wish we could.
The manager isn’t the only one to change though. I suggest by poaching Ajax for not only their manager but the full coaching and backroom staff also. One man doesn’t change much.
Van Der Saar would help us get a more continental style in the club and should be hired in the near future. He’s the United legend we actually should hire tbf.
Shame Jupp Heynckes retired. He would have been perfect for us. What a manager with Bayern! His sides played exactly the football we wish we could.
The manager isn’t the only one to change though. I suggest by poaching Ajax for not only their manager but the full coaching and backroom staff also. One man doesn’t change much.
Van Der Saar would help us get a more continental style in the club and should be hired in the near future. He’s the United legend we actually should hire tbf.
Bare minimum you concede on average less than one goal a game, Moyes and Ole failed this.
No matter how bad it gets under Ole I’ll never accept this - I’ve had way more enjoyment as a United fan over Ole’s time here than I had under Jose.
Yes it’s fecking dire right now, but you have to judge them on their overall time here. We didn’t get a trophy under Ole like with Jose but we came close and we were better to watch while we did it.
Yes it’s fecking dire right now, but you have to judge them on their overall time here. We didn’t get a trophy under Ole like with Jose but we came close and we were better to watch while we did it.
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