So being honest is now known as being unprofessional?
Just have to go look at the new Pogba thread that was created about how people feel about his team here, and that would be the most said aspect of his time.
5 bad apples at Manchester United, 3 of them we are all in agreement with
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Just have to go look at the new Pogba thread that was created about how people feel about his team here, and that would be the most said aspect of his time.
Thing is with England is (1) teammates around him and (2) that in the majority of games, they’re playing opponents who are inferior (majority of Euros and WC qualifying) and some of their actual group games. It’s only the odd group game and maybe last 16/last 8 they generally play someone decent… someone who will put real pressure on the defence, incl Maguire. When they’re playing San Marino, Albania and Andorra, Maguire is never going to look like he’s struggling?
Then add that he has players like Walker and Stones and TAA around him (all playing for well coached teams?), he’s going to look better?
Then add that he generally has not one but two hard wording MFers (Rice and KP) in front of him to reduce attacks, minimise the challenge, support him.. and again, it’s easier in England games.
So United can get better players (fine) and we can be better coached (fine) but we can’t play the club equivalent of Andorra and San Marino most weeks.… the PL is the most competitive in terms of smaller clubs putting up a fight. Add the fact that he’s slow (something no amount of coaching is going to help.. he’s going to get slower too) and he’s a liability.
(Oh, and he’s the worst captain I’ve ever seen at United which hurts but isn’t the reason I want him gone).
I don’t rate Shaw or Rashford or Martial or AWB (or some others) but I can see attributes that MIGHT make them players ETH can coach/work with. Maguire… nothing.
"3 of them we are all in agreement with". Speak for yourself!
I don’t think Rashford or Pogba work nearly hard enough on the pitch. Martial too. This is the worst period in our recent history with them as our main players and amongst our biggest earners. They shouldn’t get a free pass and season after season to buck up just because they are home grown. There are other players out there who will work way harder. Nobody should be safe from the chop if they aren’t doing it.
Both come hand in hand. Players come in and they become complacent because the club is a mess, it takes ages to get the bad apples out of the team and we're just happy with a 4th place and ample media attention. That doesn't mean that its not the players' fault as well. They are supposed to do a job and they should be doing it in a professional way
The problem isn't a case of "bad apples", and frankly until we get this ridiculous notion that everything will be fixed by replacing a few players out of our heads we are going absolutely nowhere as a club.
How many "bad apples" to we have to root out before we start to accept that maybe it's the entire fecking orchard that keeps on producing them that's the problem?
(As an addendum, I find it so laughable that people are pinning so much of the blame for this season on Shaw when he's not even been in the team for a good number of our crappiest performances)
How many "bad apples" to we have to root out before we start to accept that maybe it's the entire fecking orchard that keeps on producing them that's the problem?
(As an addendum, I find it so laughable that people are pinning so much of the blame for this season on Shaw when he's not even been in the team for a good number of our crappiest performances)
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Boom. You've nailed it. Outside of Pogba, too much has been made about toxicity in the team. It's a combination of lack of quality in key areas and poor management that is the reason why we are here.
Our issues come in the middle of the pitch...yet it's always our defenders or attackers that get blamed.
Ah another BS thread.
Yes, I demand an apple-ogy.
Maguire isn't salvageable in a high line or high press system.
horrible thread
Rashford is bereft of giving a shit which is worse than Maguire being a bit shit
Rashford is also limited in ability.
That's an interesting take... And by interesting I mean mental.
Thats my feeling too. If we could choose... Obviously we would all like to save Rashford and Pogba. Realistically, Maguire and Shaw could provide something or at least be less harmful to the team. However, we should replace them all. Maguire and Shaw struggles with their mentality as much as those other guys and might well be damaged goods at this point.
That doesn’t make any sense to me. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
Not sure why Rashford has been included.
Shaw has also been our player of the year multiple times.
But I get the frustration. Right now everyone looks wank.
Shaw has also been our player of the year multiple times.
But I get the frustration. Right now everyone looks wank.
I'd bin off Shaw tomorrow and never look back. He's been here for nearly a decade and has constantly flattered to deceive.
And keep Telles?
Did I say that? They're both not good enough. Just like 99% of the squad.And keep Telles?
That means buying like 3 new fullbacks considering the shit we have on the right.
It's a hypothetical thread. None of this is happening. The whole opening post is a complete nonsense for the most part with weirdly self created narratives.
There's no way we can go into next season with Dalot and Telles starting games. Should be sold as soon as possible.
That I agree with.
An odd post to make during a game where his competitor is having his worst game since… last Saturday.
Aye because if you say Shaw isn't good enough it automatically means you're the chairman of the Telles fan club apparently.
I want the best players and of coruse its good to see youth products and British players. That was a big part of our gret sides, buying the best of British Robson, Ince, Keane, Cole etc etc
But its much harder to do now with all the money at certain clubs, the rush to capture players as youths, the premiership prices.
There are lots of British players Id love to sign, but they are virtually all at big clubs or too expensive for our immediate needs
Shaw is definitely good enough and our form dropped off when he got injured
AWB is trainable and a new coach might make him into a good squad player
Not sure about Maguire or Martial or even Rashford
They have all developed a lazy culture,comfortable culture and we hope the new Manager can change the culture of the Team
They are a team of footballers that hate running or working hard especially during difficult periods
AWB is trainable and a new coach might make him into a good squad player
Not sure about Maguire or Martial or even Rashford
They have all developed a lazy culture,comfortable culture and we hope the new Manager can change the culture of the Team
They are a team of footballers that hate running or working hard especially during difficult periods
That comment should close the thread.
What a weird thread/opening post.
Just to counter this brexit FC thing, we have Varane, Lindelof, Telles and Dalot on today and are playing comically bad against Arsenal as well as Bruno gifting goals and missing pens.
We're just so shite this season bar Ronaldo.
We're just so shite this season bar Ronaldo.
It's funny how all those "bad apples" aren't playing today.
The problem has always been the same, the quality of the players and coaches not who's toxic and all those intangibles that are impossible to prove.
The problem has always been the same, the quality of the players and coaches not who's toxic and all those intangibles that are impossible to prove.
Watch the ones who make $$ off their public image as true-red, United through and through who’ll be leaking stories about how more successful clubs want to sign them in the next 72 hours
If you keep rewarding failure, having no accountability, no ambition, massively overpaying everyone and accepting mediocrity then squad will be full of players with a poor attitude.
"3 of them we're all in agreement with" - guy having a conversation with himself
I don’t mind Shaw but he’s constantly injured which in itself is an issue. I think only last season was he playing most weeks.
Rashford is likely to be kept but we are never going to get him to press. I just hope ETH identifies his style early on then buys players to fit that style of play. I’m tired of managers coming in suddenly thinking they can change the way a player plays. Trying to press with Pogba, Rashford, Ronaldo, Martial, Greenwood was never going to happen. If we wanted to play pressing we should have kept James.
Rashford is likely to be kept but we are never going to get him to press. I just hope ETH identifies his style early on then buys players to fit that style of play. I’m tired of managers coming in suddenly thinking they can change the way a player plays. Trying to press with Pogba, Rashford, Ronaldo, Martial, Greenwood was never going to happen. If we wanted to play pressing we should have kept James.
Spot on. As you highlighted the stats of "good apple" McTominay in his performance thread.
I wouldn't consider Lingard a bad apple. In my eyes he's a Westham player being loaned back to United. So he's not really our apple anymore.
For context this part is specifically about trophies and what he wants in the future.