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The two questions for the Memphis roster going forward are: 1) which disgruntled star (or quality role player) do they pursue in a trade to pair with Ja and JJJ? and 2) Which players from the current roster do they ship-off in the trade?
Everyone except Ja and JJJ will be available. Bane will be very hard to get but still tradeable.

They need a wing most of all. Can't see any options now but someone will be out there eventually.
 

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Everyone except Ja and JJJ will be available. Bane will be very hard to get but still tradeable.

They need a wing most of all. Can't see any options now but someone will be out there eventually.
Could D-Lo be a fit, in a role similar to the one he had with the Nets?
 

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Could D-Lo be a fit, in a role similar to the one he had with the Nets?
Nope, they need a proper wing that is good on both ends of the floor IMO. Bane plays at the 2/3 for them I think, so they’d need to shift him to 3 permanently if Russell were to come into their starting 5. I think they will need someone who can play 2/3 at least or preferably someone who can play 3 and 4 (so they can play JJJ at 5 full time at some point). They won’t have many of any players who could do that soon, even Kyle Anderson expires this Sunmer. Though Ziaire Williams’ development could help them with that roster issue.
 

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Nope, they need a proper wing that is good on both ends of the floor IMO. Bane plays at the 2/3 for them I think, so they’d need to shift him to 3 permanently if Russell were to come into their starting 5. I think they will need someone who can play 2/3 at least or preferably someone who can play 3 and 4 (so they can play JJJ at 5 full time at some point). They won’t have many of any players who could do that soon, even Kyle Anderson expires this Sunmer. Though Ziaire Williams’ development could help them with that roster issue.
It makes sense, I was under the impression that 2/3s was what they had and 1/2s what they may lack.
 

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It makes sense, I was under the impression that 2/3s was what they had and 1/2s what they may lack.
Well they have their two point guards in Ja and Tyus, but I did not realize Tyus' contract expired at the end of year... they should be able to get him back on a friendly deal considering his role though. He's been perfect for them and they've been perfect for him. If anything they also have Melton signed up next year who can play 1/2.

Their 2/3s are Brooks, Bane and Konchar (who's a fringe player).

Signed up for next year they have:

Jackson Jr $29m
Adams $18m
Morant $12m
Melton $8.25m
Williams $4.6m
Clarke $4.3m
Konchar $2.3m
Bane $2.1m (!!!)
Aldama $2.1m
Tillie $1.9m
Tillman $1.8m

So $98m in total, will have some cap space as cap is projected at like $122m. They will fill two roster spots with their draft picks this year too.

So from practical point of view they can afford to extend whoever they want (I assume Tyus will be no brainer and will sign for $10m or less), they have expiring contracts to package for bigger salary (Adams, Brooks), they have a ton of useful players on team friendly deals, their biggest star is not up for an extension for another year, their second/third best player makes $2m a year, they have about 15 second round picks (some of them quite juicy), they have Jazz pick this year and Warriors 2024 which is only top 4 protected and by that time Warriors may not be that awesome anymore, and all of their young players will be getting better. I don't think there's a team in NBA in a better position going forward than them to be honest.

I could see them trying to get Beal. He's probably going to decline his player option for next year, if he's not super keen on getting a supermax from struggling Wizards, they can do a sign and trade where they give Wizards both Adams and Brooks, a couple of picks and maybe one of their young players not named Morant, Jackson or Bane. If Beal is up for a move to Memphis they could get it done. Not sure he's absolutely perfect from position standpoint though.

If I was doing 2K with them I'd try to get both him and Jerami Grant (though with his extension coming he might not be the best option). If I was to invent a perfect player for them to trade for it'd be Jaylen Brown but absolutely zero chance of that happening now that Celtics have gone from being average to being amazing.
 

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Well they have their two point guards in Ja and Tyus, but I did not realize Tyus' contract expired at the end of year... they should be able to get him back on a friendly deal considering his role though. He's been perfect for them and they've been perfect for him. If anything they also have Melton signed up next year who can play 1/2.

Their 2/3s are Brooks, Bane and Konchar (who's a fringe player).

Signed up for next year they have:

Jackson Jr $29m
Adams $18m
Morant $12m
Melton $8.25m
Williams $4.6m
Clarke $4.3m
Konchar $2.3m
Bane $2.1m (!!!)
Aldama $2.1m
Tillie $1.9m
Tillman $1.8m

So $98m in total, will have some cap space as cap is projected at like $122m. They will fill two roster spots with their draft picks this year too.

So from practical point of view they can afford to extend whoever they want (I assume Tyus will be no brainer and will sign for $10m or less), they have expiring contracts to package for bigger salary (Adams, Brooks), they have a ton of useful players on team friendly deals, their biggest star is not up for an extension for another year, their second/third best player makes $2m a year, they have about 15 second round picks (some of them quite juicy), they have Jazz pick this year and Warriors 2024 which is only top 4 protected and by that time Warriors may not be that awesome anymore, and all of their young players will be getting better. I don't think there's a team in NBA in a better position going forward than them to be honest.

I could see them trying to get Beal. He's probably going to decline his player option for next year, if he's not super keen on getting a supermax from struggling Wizards, they can do a sign and trade where they give Wizards both Adams and Brooks, a couple of picks and maybe one of their young players not named Morant, Jackson or Bane. If Beal is up for a move to Memphis they could get it done. Not sure he's absolutely perfect from position standpoint though.

If I was doing 2K with them I'd try to get both him and Jerami Grant (though with his extension coming he might not be the best option). If I was to invent a perfect player for them to trade for it'd be Jaylen Brown but absolutely zero chance of that happening now that Celtics have gone from being average to being amazing.
Thanks for the detailed answer. It's Jones that I had in mind, he is what the Wolves need and I wouldn't be surprised if they try to get him back for more than 10m but that's only possible through a sign and trade. I believe that there is going to be a market for him and that he will have the opportunity to have a bigger role and more money somewhere else.
 

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Beyond this year's playoff, I'm really excited by Memphis, a bit of experience, some roster tweaks and they could be the Bucks of the west, it's a very well built roster.
I disagree as the Bucks are good because of Giannis who is unstoppable, the Grizz do not have anyone like this (nor do any other team at this moment). I think Memphis can be a dominant team in their own way but not in the way the Bucks are.
 
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I disagree as the Bucks are good because of Giannis who is unstoppable, the Grizz do not have anyone like this (nor do any other team at this moment). I think Memphis can be a dominant team in their own way but not in the way the Bucks are.
You don't think that it's a very well constructed team?
 

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You don't think that it's a very well constructed team?
In some ways I actually think the Grizz are better constructed than the Bucks as I think the Grizz are better without Morant than the Bucks without Giannis. Without Giannis the Bucks wouldn't get past the second round (they got past a weak Hawks team last year without him that barely scraped in this year). But with Giannis, they become arguably the best team in the league. No player on the Grizzlies has that level of impact.
 

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The two questions for the Memphis roster going forward are: 1) which disgruntled star (or quality role player) do they pursue in a trade to pair with Ja and JJJ? and 2) Which players from the current roster do they ship-off in the trade?
Trade Brooks. Seems to have compatibility issues with Ja, which means he's out unless he either figures out how to play next to Ja or stay on a much reduced role

I think they should look into a Brooks+Adams package for LaVine if he doesn't resign with the bulls
 

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OMG my deary Cs thrown themselves under a bus that was peacefully going the opposite way. As you British eloquently put it, they magnificently snatched defeat from the jaws of a well-deserved victory. :lol:
 

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The NY Post is reporting that Phil Jackson has once again become a principal advisor to Jeannie Buss and that he is advocating trading LeBron James and keeping Russell Westbrook.
 

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After holding out for so long to get a "great" offer for Simmons, don't think Morey will want to lose Harden after just half a season.
You're going to have to, at least, put him on some sort of exercise program/diet to get him into shape.

.....and maybe ban the strip clubs.
 

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Any of the remaining East teams (Heat, Bucks, Boston) must surely be clear title favourites. The West teams just have no consistency.
 

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Wow, never thought Dallas would turn this into such a series.

Doc Rivers lives up to his reputation as a top 15 Coach of all time, another stellar round 2 exit :drool:
 

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If you're Philly do you give Harden a max contract?
It will become a bad contract immediately but they will do that. Morey will not let people laugh at him for trading Simmons and picks for what becomes virtually nothing.
 

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No way. Even Philly can't be that stupid...??
What are their other choices? Let him walk? He won’t accept anything below the max, there are 30 teams in the league and someone will offer that to him on the market (the max, as Sixers are the only ones who can give the super max I think) and in a sign and trade they could only get secondary pieces. Unless they can maneuver it so that they get Beal off the free agency, and Harden goes to another team in sign and trade, re-signing him is the only option they have.
 

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I still don't think Harden's finished.

It seems pretty clear that it's an injury issue, even if they're claiming otherwise. The drop off in his first step, and ability to jump and finish around the rim from last season is monumental, and fits with someone who is struggling with his hamstring and/or doesn't feel confident in it. I expect that with rest in the summer, he enters next season much closer to the 20/21 Harden.... which would be a clear top 10-15 player. He potentially looked like the best player in the league when Durant was out last season.

The obvious issue is that you might get a few years of that Harden... but you could just as easily get one season like this one, followed by another injury and step down, with the 2022 playoffs edition being the absolute best case scenario for the final 2-3 years of a supermax contract.

Best case scenario for Philly is that he opts in to his player option, plays with something to prove next season, and they can then pay him a little bit less than the max for the following 4-5 years. Still wouldn't give them much chance of a ring through that period.
 

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If you're Philly do you give Harden a max contract?
No way...he's clearly lost a few steps and for whatever reason, has been passive offensively.
After holding out for so long to get a "great" offer for Simmons, don't think Morey will want to lose Harden after just half a season.
I'd ask him to take less and say we will trade for another STAR to help get that elusive chip. "James if you take the max you can kiss our title hopes goodbye. Choice is yours"
 

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What are their other choices? Let him walk? He won’t accept anything below the max, there are 30 teams in the league and someone will offer that to him on the market (the max, as Sixers are the only ones who can give the super max I think) and in a sign and trade they could only get secondary pieces. Unless they can maneuver it so that they get Beal off the free agency, and Harden goes to another team in sign and trade, re-signing him is the only option they have.
I'd honestly ask him to take a pay cut, or let him walk. Or if they can actually pitch the idea of a sign and trade, obviously go for that. But Harden isn't a max player anymore, and I think most teams actually know that.
 

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I'd honestly ask him to take a pay cut, or let him walk. Or if they can actually pitch the idea of a sign and trade, obviously go for that. But Harden isn't a max player anymore, and I think most teams actually know that.
Most teams know that. For him to not get that though ALL of them would need to know that and you just know someone will come and offer him that.
 

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I'd ask him to take less and say we will trade for another STAR to help get that elusive chip. "James if you take the max you can kiss our title hopes goodbye. Choice is yours"
They don’t really have anything to trade except for Maxey.

IMO the best case for them is getting Beal who is younger than him and easier to fit.
 

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Are the 76ers disfunctional? Or were Butler, Simmons and Harden the issue?

Once again seeing Embiid candidly talk critically about a teammate after an elimination game made me think about Butler mentioning that he was lost in Philly and didn't know who was in charge.

 

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Are the 76ers disfunctional? Or were Butler, Simmons and Harden the issue?

Once again seeing Embiid candidly talk critically about a teammate after an elimination game made me think about Butler mentioning that he was lost in Philly and didn't know who was in charge.

Embiid reminds me of LeBron when it comes to team mates. If things go well it's all him, if they go badly he can't get the rest of the team under the bus quick enough.

One of the things I will say about Embiid though is that at least he stabs you in the front instead of all the passive aggressive bullshit that James comes out with.
 

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Embiid reminds me of LeBron when it comes to team mates. If things go well it's all him, if they go badly he can't get the rest of the team under the bus quick enough.

One of the things I will say about Embiid though is that at least he stabs you in the front instead of all the passive aggressive bullshit that James comes out with.
Isn't it more lethal? :lol:
 

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Embiid is what, 28 years old and somehow he seems not mature at all. What is it with him blaming people around shifting focus on them, is he worried that some 76ers fans might have a go at him, that time when he said how him not winning MVP = media hates him & Philly town/people, always found that part weird.

Also him throwing others under the bus is not that annoying as him starting whole shtick with " I am not gonna blame anyone for this ... (3,2,1)... starts explaining how others are to blame.
 

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Embiid is what, 28 years old and somehow he seems not mature at all. What is it with him blaming people around shifting focus on them, is he worried that some 76ers fans might have a go at him, that time when he said how him not winning MVP = media hates him & Philly town/people, always found that part weird.

Also him throwing others under the bus is not that annoying as him starting whole shtick with " I am not gonna blame anyone for this ... (3,2,1)... starts explaining how others are to blame.
The entire thing is weird and fortunately for him, the scapegoats are reasonable targets but I still wonder how you handle it as a teammate when you know that he doesn't have your back in public and will feed you to the sharks.
 

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Are the 76ers disfunctional? Or were Butler, Simmons and Harden the issue?

Once again seeing Embiid candidly talk critically about a teammate after an elimination game made me think about Butler mentioning that he was lost in Philly and didn't know who was in charge.

i remember watching this. They switched at the play offs to make Jimmy primary handler. Jimmy hoped to run it back but they decided against it to put their future in Ben and have him as the ball handler. Joel thinks it was a mistake. I think it was a mistake. No reason not to run it back. That team was stacked. Only Kawhi playing like Jordan stopped them.
Isn't it more lethal? :lol:
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It might be disfunction, but it certainly is flawed in Philly. Morey built a fun and run team in Houston...but it was always flawed when it came to the playoffs. Now in Philly, they came close-ish last year, but team was still flawed (hi Ben). And Doc might be less influential with his roster than years past in Boston and LAC. So Morey calling the shots with a head coach who isn't entirely used to that is flawed.

Be interesting to see what type of reset and rebuild buttons are pushed in LAL, Utah, and Philly, possibly include Atlanta too.
 

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The entire thing is weird and fortunately for him, the scapegoats are reasonable targets but I still wonder how you handle it as a teammate when you know that he doesn't have your back in public and will feed you to the sharks.
It is interesting to compare Embiid going out v Jokic going out. Jokic obviously didn't have as serious of an injury, but he was balling out pretty much every game against the Warriors. And has less of a supporting cast compared to Sixers.

But when Sixers really needed Embiid, especially in an elimination game, he was not even close to what Jokic did against the Warriors.