I already said in my first post there’s a debate to be had. De Gea is allergic to coming off his line and is an absolute pussy in the air. Henderson is well rounded but definitely short of the level required to be a top keeper. Is anyone even debating this or are you just posting stats for the sake of it?
I posted the stats because you questioned the results, as if 20+ games wasn't a large enough sample size of games to show the difference a goalkeeper that is even relatively average in most areas makes to us defensively. Also, there is this bizarre notion that Henderson is a poor shot stopper or that "failed" with his opportunity last season or showed that he wasn't good enough, which is ridiculous and the statistics prove that. He took his opportunity and did enough to earn the shirt for this season, which obviously didn't end up happening due to him getting Covid.
So that's a no. Cheers for that.
If you're incapable of typing United 0-5 Liverpool or Liverpool 4-0 United into YouTube when I've already told you specifically what to look out for then you're not worth anyone's time are you? All the best.
as if he'd choose to come back after all of the broken promises I'm sure he's already been given here.
No one’s paying 40 million and putting a buy-back in. He’s not good enough for United anyway.
He'll be 26 next season, he's not going to change much from here. If we don't think he's good enough now when we already own him then we're unlikely to be convinced he's better than any other option we could buy when we don't.
You agreed that the stats didn’t directly compare, but presented them as if they did. That was what my reply concerned. I’m not sure why you’re trying to convince me about De Gea, I’ve already said he doesn’t come off his line and claim catches.
Firstly, as you well know I was responding to a poster that said " the less he plays the better he gets it seems. It appears just charging off your line like a madman is all that matters in a goalkeeper for some", the differences in goals conceded vs De Gea would suggest he does a little more than just charging off his line like a madman.
Pretty sure you’d said we conceded by balls over the top, but maybe it was conceding chances. Even if that is the case, I don’t understand why RR would suddenly want to change away from that after 7 points and two clean sheets in 3 games. Things should have only gotten better.
I said it became apparent that teams were getting in from simple balls over the top. That still happens when we push up because teams know that balls over the top won't be dealt with by the goalkeeper (which they'd be correct, 8 times all season he's dealt with a ball over the top). As for the timeframe, I said nothing about a timeframe, you mentioned a specific set of games and I directly responded to those games. As I said initially, I think we *try* to play a high line, that's obviously gone out of the window over the past 2/3 months as our season has unravelled but in the first months we definitely attempted it, there was a clear difference in what we were trying to do compared with what we had been trying to do under Ole.
That time frame was used because they were the intial games. You’re saying we tried to initially play a high line. You’re pretty annoying to talk to
I saw absolutely the opposite - commanded his area (and his defenders) much better than DDG, who could barely dominate his six-yard box. I've barely seen a keeper less intimidating than DDG, although his shot-stopping this season has been very good until the last few games. I think we'd got as much dosh for him as for hendo
with you on all that
Agree. DDG has been our best player this season and has won us many many points.
agree with everything said here about DDG. Just looking at his slight build has worried me from the start. He simply doesn't dominate his area of put the fear of god into forwards like Peter S or Edwin VdS
not much point in that if we keep conceding goals that can be avoided by having a keeper who dominates his area, puts the fear of god into oncoming forwards and gives his own defenders confidence. Surely we could get the same sot of price for DDG. If we were to find one of those "plenty of Hendersons" (possibly Martinez or Fabianski, but Pope most likely if Burnley go down), then we could sell both Hendo and DDG, with someone like Sam Johnstone (or a youngster) as back up.
but you sort of make the point of DDG's weaknesses but naming those other players: why did we cope with those supposed weaknesses? Because they had a dominate, pro-active keeper behind them!
We won league titles with DDG in the team and a far then perfect squad
No mate, I watched the games and saw the highlights. You're the one making the claims De Gea threw a couple in his own net. I asked you to show me and you got all pissy over it.
We one won title with DDG in goal and conceded 43 goals which was the most conceded by a title winner in the past 22 seasons. That title win was probably our 'luckiest' in the Fergie era. We conceded the most goals in the top 4 and we're 3rd best in terms of xG-xGA. It all hinged mostly on Robin Van Persie's brilliance. Remember DDG had Ferdinand, Evra, Vidic and Carrick in front of him in that season as well.
If you saw the games then you're well positioned to disagree with the goals I said he was a) at fault for and b) made the finishes easy for, then. If you disagree that's fine but just moaning that I didn't post the highlights when you've already seen them is frankly ridiculous.
I didn't moan, I ask you to show us what you meant because visual medium is better than written. You then declined.
Didn't we concede most of those goals in the autumn when he shared the position with Lindegaard? In 2013, when he started all but 2 games (didn't start in two of the three last, including the last where we conceded 5), we conceded much less goals, something like 10 in 16 starts if I see it right. That certainly is a pretty decenet result. This just shows that amount of goals conceded depends on more than just the goalkeeper.
That's a fair point. In the few worst defensive displays Lindegaard was in goal but if you look at a lot of the games where we conceded 2 or 3 goals then DDG was in goal. We did have a good run as you mentioned with DDG in net.
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