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I remember Blind getting pushed off the ball a few times, one might've been against Leicester, like shoulder to shoulder type stuff. Our players tend to look for fouls when eased off but they're never given and we then concede
I agree with your second sentence. I don't know how many goals we've conceded while Bruno has been shouting at the ref or rolling around himself.

At a certain point you have to realise that playing for fouls is pointless and you're better off holding your ground. Hopefully that's something we improve on next season.
 

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You can believe what you want, but the most reliable info we have is still from Timber himself where he said he was staying at Ajax, similairly to how Gravenberch nipped all the transfer talk in the bud last summer. Low and behold he ended up staying for another year.
Ajax have already lost Mazraoui, Gravenberch and Onana and they're wealthy enough to say no.

There have been no reliable reports on Timber leaving. Goldshite is making stuff up so he can find ways to fill his daily 3 hours. He's the British Rush Limbaugh.

I also don't think the transfer makes much sense given ETH always plays left footed LCBs. We have 0 left footed CBs as it stands.
Heavily linked to Torres again who the club clearly like.

Perhaps sign them both? Varane is actually pretty comfortable on his left foot anyway, and Maguire seems to prefer the LCB role so perhaps he will make do.
 

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Heavily linked to Torres again who the club clearly like.

Perhaps sign them both? Varane is actually pretty comfortable on his left foot anyway, and Maguire seems to prefer the LCB role so perhaps he will make do.
I don't know what to think of Torres. Villareal and him are good at playing out the back, but Emory often plays low to mid blocks.

De Ligt looked like the next VVD playing a high line at Ajax and he looks like a clown at Juve sitting deeper. I have no clue how Torres would translate to playing differently. Let's hope our scouting department does its job for once.
 

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I don't know what to think of Torres. Villareal and him are good at playing out the back, but Emory often plays low to mid blocks.

De Ligt looked like the next VVD playing a high line at Ajax and he looks like a clown at Juve sitting deeper. I have no clue how Torres would translate to playing differently. Let's hope our scouting department does its job for once.
Can't trust a department that has failed to do its job in every aspect.
 

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I don't know what to think of Torres. Villareal and him are good at playing out the back, but Emory often plays low to mid blocks.

De Ligt looked like the next VVD playing a high line at Ajax and he looks like a clown at Juve sitting deeper. I have no clue how Torres would translate to playing differently. Let's hope our scouting department does its job for once.
Well he plays for Spain too and doesn't look out of place. I think he is just genuinely a solid all round defender that's very good on the ball.

Quick enough not to get ran in behind, big/strong enough to handle most duels. Obviously Villareal are a defensive/counter attacking side but to nearly get to 2 european finals in 2 years with a great defensive record shows they've got something about them.

I doubt we will sign both anyway, but if it was me i'd shift Lindelof, Bailly and Jones and get in Timber/Torres.

Some reports that ETH might want to play a 3-5-2 so having Torres/Varane/Timber would be a great ball playing side, especially if we can get De Jong ahead of them.
 

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Well he plays for Spain too and doesn't look out of place. I think he is just genuinely a solid all round defender that's very good on the ball.

Quick enough not to get ran in behind, big/strong enough to handle most duels. Obviously Villareal are a defensive/counter attacking side but to nearly get to 2 european finals in 2 years with a great defensive record shows they've got something about them.

I doubt we will sign both anyway, but if it was me i'd shift Lindelof, Bailly and Jones and get in Timber/Torres.

Some reports that ETH might want to play a 3-5-2 so having Torres/Varane/Timber would be a great ball playing side, especially if we can get De Jong ahead of them.
3-5-2 makes the most sense in the short term, because it limits the GK's responsibility in the build up and it gets more out of Ronaldo, who seems to prefer a CF partner.
The only player that doesn't fit all too well is Sancho, unless he's moved to RWB. It'll obviously make the transfers even more tricky, if the plan is to transition to 4-3-3.
 

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3-5-2 makes the most sense in the short term, because it limits the GK's responsibility in the build up and it gets more out of Ronaldo, who seems to prefer a CF partner.
The only player that doesn't fit all too well is Sancho, unless he's moved to RWB. It'll obviously make the transfers even more tricky, if the plan is to transition to 4-3-3.
Think this could work well

DDG, Timber, Varane, Torres, Shaw,AWB, De Jong, Fred, Fernandes, Sancho, Ronaldo

Sancho as a roaming forward, dropping deep and linking play, pulling into the channels. Ronaldo can stay more as the poacher in the box to save his legs.

It allows Fred and Fernandes to get forward and link up play in and around the box, but we've still got the safety of the box 3 + FDJ keeping a high pressure from behind if we lose the ball.

I'd actually try Elanga as the RWB. Think he could make a really good fullback in the future, but as a wingback it allows him to still be more offensive.
 

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Which of De Ligt and Timber do Ajax fans rate higher and have the higher ceiling, having seen both rise up from your academy and into the first team?
Pretty sure De Ligt was rated way higher, if Timber was rated that high we wouldn't have a chance of signing him.
 

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Think this could work well

DDG, Timber, Varane, Torres, Shaw,AWB, De Jong, Fred, Fernandes, Sancho, Ronaldo

Sancho as a roaming forward, dropping deep and linking play, pulling into the channels. Ronaldo can stay more as the poacher in the box to save his legs.

It allows Fred and Fernandes to get forward and link up play in and around the box, but we've still got the safety of the box 3 + FDJ keeping a high pressure from behind if we lose the ball.

I'd actually try Elanga as the RWB. Think he could make a really good fullback in the future, but as a wingback it allows him to still be more offensive.
I think Ronaldo prefers to have a big target man next to him for the two up front, rather than him having to be the scarecrow.
Elanga (and Laird) as RWB is a good shout.

Pretty sure De Ligt was rated way higher, if Timber was rated that high we wouldn't have a chance of signing him.
Que!? Why not. And yes, De Ligt was highly rated by pretty much everybody.
 

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I think Ronaldo prefers to have a big target man next to him for the two up front, rather than him having to be the scarecrow.
Elanga (and Laird) as RWB is a good shout.


Que!? Why not. And yes, De Ligt was highly rated by pretty much everybody.
If he was rated as De Ligt, specially after captaining that Ajax side at 18, he'd had every major club after him. He would cost north of 70M, he wouldn't choose us in a million years.

Truth is we can't attract world class talent anymore, not in our current state at least.
 

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My god. This self loathing attitude on here really needs to stop.
Do you think a player that has a chance of joining other top clubs would currently choose us?

There's a reason we weren't even linked with Haaland, Mbappe, Tchouameni, etc
 

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This looks like it's just a matter of time now. Interesting that we look like we're getting another cb also (most likely either Torres or Bastoni).
 

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Do you think a player that has a chance of joining other top clubs would currently choose us?

There's a reason we weren't even linked with Haaland, Mbappe, Tchouameni, etc
Yes. Our summer last year shows that we're still an attractive proposition. Obviously we've regressed since then, but not THAT much, in the grand scheme of things.
 

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If he was rated as De Ligt, specially after captaining that Ajax side at 18, he'd had every major club after him. He would cost north of 70M, he wouldn't choose us in a million years.

Truth is we can't attract world class talent anymore, not in our current state at least.
De Ligt ended up going to Juventus, hardly our superior.

Generally speaking every Ajax player is attainable for us. It's only Ajax. People were saying this about ETH as well ("why'd he come here", etc).
There's only 3 clubs in the world that can consistently match our salaries, and maybe 3 others that are attractive for footballing reasons.
 

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Yes. Our summer last year shows that we're still an attractive proposition. Obviously we've regressed since then, but not THAT much, in the grand scheme of things.
Yes and no, we can still get good/great players, just not world-class ones. No world-class player is willing to go to a team that's on a "rebuild". They go to the very best to win top trophies and we can't offer that in our current state.
 

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De Ligt ended up going to Juventus, hardly our superior.

Generally speaking every Ajax player is attainable for us. It's only Ajax. People were saying this about ETH as well ("why'd he come here", etc).
There's only 3 clubs in the world that can consistently match our salaries, and maybe 3 others that are attractive for footballing reasons.
The problem is not Ajax, the problem is if other clubs come calling. Of course any player would choose ManUtd over Ajax, but would they choose us over Madrid, Bayern, PSG, City, Liverpool, etc?

Not on our current state unfortunately.
 

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The problem is not Ajax, the problem is if other clubs come calling. Of course any player would choose ManUtd over Ajax, but would they choose us over Madrid, Bayern, PSG, City, Liverpool, etc?

Not on our current state unfortunately.
There is no "etc". We've outspent City in bidding wars before, we offer more salary than Liverpool and Bayern and PSG is in the farmers league. Madrid are hampered by fair play. The grass isn't always greener. These clubs aren't for the same player at the exact same moment.

This reads like a shitty version of @christinaa's column. The source is the Sun, without mentioning Custis.
 

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30M was Rio’s price to buy him away from Leeds in 2003. I would say it’s a very good price for Timber if the fee is accurate
 

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This is just a gossip column. It's purely clickbait.
Indeed, funnily enough the only rather reliable source on Ajax hasn't reported anything on this transfer while for the Gravenberch transfer he has every little detail. Makes this all the funnier that Sky is claiming this while there is seemingly no movement at all.
 

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How many signings from the Dutch league actually have a good first season in the Premier League?

Outside of Suarez and perhaps Ziyech I can't remember any.

More recently it seems like most struggle, a few names off the top of my head:

Van de Beek, Bergwijn, Sanchez, Depay

Not sure how much we can expect from this guy, little bit concerned about his size.
 

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How many signings from the Dutch league actually have a good first season in the Premier League?

Outside of Suarez and perhaps Ziyech I can't remember any.

More recently it seems like most struggle, a few names off the top of my head:

Van de Beek, Bergwijn, Sanchez, Depay

Not sure how much we can expect from this guy, little bit concerned about his size.
Depends on how far back you want to go. Vertonghen, Vermaelen, Eriksen?
Veltman had a decent season for Brighton this year :lol:
 

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£30million for one of the most promising, versatile young defenders in Europe is indeed a bargain if true. Guess having VDS as their CEO works in our favour.
 

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£30million for one of the most promising, versatile young defenders in Europe is indeed a bargain if true. Guess having VDS as their CEO works in our favour.
They can't really be expecting more than that for a defender really. They'll probably have someone coming off the conveyor belt anyway to replace him.
 

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They can't really be expecting more than that for a defender really. They'll probably have someone coming off the conveyor belt anyway to replace him.
I mean considering how much we were fleeced for Maguire and AWB, its refreshing to see figures around that ballpark. With today's valuations, Timber would sit firmly in the 'value signing' category, even if he doesn't pull up trees next season. He'd cost the same as Lindelof and Bailly who were signed years ago, and who's ceilings you'd argue are lower than that of Timber's.
 

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The price being mentioned has always been €35m which is about £30m. It's very good value for a cb of Timber's ability. Unlikely to find anyone else at that level for less than £45-50m imo.
 

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This looks like it's just a matter of time now. Interesting that we look like we're getting another cb also (most likely either Torres or Bastoni).
If you were to believe the rumours it really does seem like we’re going for another CB. I thought we’d go for two midfielders and one CB but it looks like it’ll be the other way around.
 

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If you were to believe the rumours it really does seem like we’re going for another CB. I thought we’d go for two midfielders and one CB but it looks like it’ll be the other way around.
Seems to be the case. I don't mind us going for 2 new cbs (and I think they see Timber as versatile enough to play rb if Dalot gets injured or if we want to switch to a back 3) but It really concerns me that we're seemingly writing off dm yet again. FDJ is a brilliant player but I've never bought into the idea of him as dm. I even had this conversation with an Ajax fan on here about a year ago and I just never agreed with him that FDJ is a true number 6. I would imagine the idea is to play FDJ alongside McTominay since he's the closest thing we have to a dm. McClaren made some positive comments on him a while ago on Talksport too so I think we're going to see them try to use him there. I can't understand the obsession with McTominay personally but so many different managers have trusted him now they must be seeing something in him I'm not. At least alongside somebody like de Jong his inability to show for the ball would be less of an issue than it is currently.
 

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I cant think of many 20 year olds that have been successful CB's. That and his height makes him a gamble and a project. Is that really what we need to be doing? I can only trust that Ten Haag knows best. But there is no way he comes in as first choice and dislodges Maguire, Varane or even Lindelof. He will be 4th choice, one for the future signing. Or if he starts then he is a one in a generation talent
Yeah I agree with that, 3rd or 4th choice, and will be used at RB sporadically. Good one for the future, but it seems Ten Hag wants a new starting CB, and I think Torres is more ready to come in as a starter.
 

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There is no "etc". We've outspent City in bidding wars before, we offer more salary than Liverpool and Bayern and PSG is in the farmers league. Madrid are hampered by fair play. The grass isn't always greener. These clubs aren't for the same player at the exact same moment.
We've been competing on salary for too long now, and we've always lost. About time we pitch something different.
 

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How many signings from the Dutch league actually have a good first season in the Premier League?

Outside of Suarez and perhaps Ziyech I can't remember any.

More recently it seems like most struggle, a few names off the top of my head:

Van de Beek, Bergwijn, Sanchez, Depay

Not sure how much we can expect from this guy, little bit concerned about his size.
RUUUUUUUUUUUUD
 

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How many signings from the Dutch league actually have a good first season in the Premier League?

Outside of Suarez and perhaps Ziyech I can't remember any.

More recently it seems like most struggle, a few names off the top of my head:

Van de Beek, Bergwijn, Sanchez, Depay

Not sure how much we can expect from this guy, little bit concerned about his size.
Ruud, Kuyt, Stam just of the rop of my head on top of some other players that have been brought up in this thread.
 

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I cant think of many 20 year olds that have been successful CB's. That and his height makes him a gamble and a project. Is that really what we need to be doing? I can only trust that Ten Haag knows best. But there is no way he comes in as first choice and dislodges Maguire, Varane or even Lindelof. He will be 4th choice, one for the future signing. Or if he starts then he is a one in a generation talent
Realistically he would start as a RB ahead of the shite we have there pretty easily, and sporadically fill in at CB. In time maybe move inside as the CB, but we'd need to find a RB before we do that anyway.
 
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