Absolutely correct.
Jurriën Timber | Arsenal player
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My guess is we'll buy him and get him into one of these :
Never seen this kid play but if it's a choice between him for 40m or Torres for 50m I think the smart play would probably be Torres.
How is it smart if you have never seen him play?
Not sure you can possibly make a call on what the smarter play would be having confessed that you have never seen one of the two players.
No doubt we will see Shaw carrying him in preseason
Needs to drop weight not carry extra timber
Don't diss my league
Unless you want me to sign for United, which I'm open to of course.
Well played
Because I've watched Torres and know he is very good. Timber also has the height issue, which whatever anyone says is an issue in the Premier League. To be fair I should have mentioned this in original post.
He's literally 6ft2.
He's the same height as Phil Jones. I don't remember anyone ever mentioning Jones' height.
Exactly. Honestly, the way some go on, you’d think he starred in Different Strokes.
Phil Jones is way over 6ft, not 5ft 10.
Shaw is listed as 6ft 1 (which is very doubtful) and Jones towers over him. Google heights are so often complete nonsense.
By the same token I suppose Timber may be taller than he's listed. He's certainly not good in the air though judging by his aerial stats, and the eye test suggests he's very short for a typical centre back when you watch him play.
*Inserts Leonardo Di Caprio clapping gif*
Replace the deadwood with some fresh Timber
Edit: feck's sake @Berbaclass. Get out of my head.
Edit: feck's sake @Berbaclass. Get out of my head.
Lads please, it's not about height!!!! He's objectively bad in the air. Nobody mentions Phil Jones' height because aerial duels are not a standout weakspot for him. Victor Lindelof is 6ft 2 and people mention his weakness in the air ALL THE TIME so it's not like it's a non-issue. Can people stop making out like Timber is the subject of some sort of height-ist discrimination?
Whatcha talkin bout Willis
On the flipside - Timber is younger, has worked successfully with Ten Hag, and can also play RB.
The truth is both are going to be risks since neither has stepped foot in the PL.
He's a very interesting player, but I can't help think the figures bandied about (43m quid) are quite steep given his recent rise to prominence in a non-elite league. Two years left on his deal, while Gravenberch with a year left admittedly but a higher profile prospect is going to Bayern for 20-25m. Is this the United tax in effect?
Gravenberch only has a year left on his contract which would play into the fee, but you're right it is steep.
Ajax got bigger fees for de Ligt and de Jong but they'd almost reached the CL final and were regular starters for the Netherlands at the time...
Gravenberch would have been €60m with a multi year contract. €35-40m you're not paying any tax whatsoever. Ten Hag wont pay too much anyways as he wants to strengthen hisnsquad as much as possible and his initial budget doesnt seem that high. Ten Hag obviously will have a good idea what Ajax is really expecting.
what does this even mean? This forum is so ripe with dogwhistles these days
What do you think it means?
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Exhibit A would be these two prats...
Alright, let's leave the height issue aside because of Google discrepancies, whether or not it passes the eye test, or height discrimination. Let's just look at the supposed aerial stats. I don't know how that squawka chart is drawn but based on the stats from squawka, Timber's aerial duels success rate of about 60% is truly bad. In fact, it's so bad it's similar to Laporte, Ben White and Eric Dier, the most played CBs at 3 of the 5 clubs above us in the league. No point comparing to VVD (77%) who most would consider to be the best CB in the world. Rudiger and Maguire who for all the criticism is still very strong in the air are both at about 73%.
Now I am not claiming Timber to be anything great in the air. But I looked through the main CBs in the top half of PL and everyone not VVD/Rudiger/Maguire showed stats in the 50s and 60s percentile. Does that mean to say there are only 3 CBs from City down to Wolves that are not bad in the air? I don't even dare to check out what kind of stats CBs at the lower half of the table are posting.
FYI, CR7 who is often regarded as one of the best in the air has a 40-50% aerial duels success rate for his last 3 seasons. Can't find stats on squawka beyond that but I think it's enough to show that perception and reality are quite different. Anyway, if ETH wants Timber then I would believe ETH knows what he expects of Timber much more than us.
Fee seems to be getting up into the range of getting someone a little more sure…
bro, respectfully, mind your business. who the hell needs definitions for ice or gramI'll take it... Ice is slang for expensive/flashy jewellery and gram - Instagram.
Exhibit A would be these two prats...
Jones is definitely taller than Timber. You just have to look at pictures of Jones and Blind stood next to each other in lineups before kick off. Jones was clearly taller. Now do the same with pictures of Blind and Timber.
Still have concerns of him handling the likes of Van Dijk & Dias at set pieces, however also strong physical forwards too
The Manchester United tax was bound to kick in sooner or later.
Odd response. Could easily have been someone asking sincerely - how is he supposed to know whether that question is being asked by someone who's 25 and grew up in London or someone who's 50 and grew up in rural Wales?
thus, "respectfully". though maybe I lashed out cause I was annoyed by the initial post I quoted, which felt like a dogwhistle to me.
my fault @Robindinho
With all the talk about his height, isn’t there a chance he’s coming in as RB rather than CB?
To the people saying that Championship is a better and far more competitive league than Eredivisie, I have a question for you all.
Norwich was by far the best team of Championship last season. Ajax was/is the champions of Eredivisie. From the results of that season, Ajax gets to play in CL this season and was grouped with Dortmund, Sporting and Besiktas. They qualified from the group with 6 wins and no a single point dropped. So according to you all Norwich, the champions of the better league, can do better in that group? Maybe even advance 1 step further than Ajax and can get into the quarter finals of CL?
Norwich was by far the best team of Championship last season. Ajax was/is the champions of Eredivisie. From the results of that season, Ajax gets to play in CL this season and was grouped with Dortmund, Sporting and Besiktas. They qualified from the group with 6 wins and no a single point dropped. So according to you all Norwich, the champions of the better league, can do better in that group? Maybe even advance 1 step further than Ajax and can get into the quarter finals of CL?
Six months before we declare him to be 'not good enough' and 'another dumb buy by the Glazers' ?
Jones has better ability in the air and is taller. Timber will have real issues in the premier league If he’s bought to play in a central defensive duo. If we’re going to play a 2 and want a young defender then Gvardiol would be a better option and fee wouldn’t be massively different.
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