In 2019 the club briefed it could take 3 years to become competitive. 3 years later it seems another 5 years have been added.

They're making it up as they go

Rebuild/cultural reset number 4 underway

It takes 5 years to them because they don't have a plan. They just hope that Liverpool and City will collapse somehow.

They still don't understand what a recruiting strategy is. They are still unable to offload players, and the judge players by their name rather than ability.

If they believe indeed it will take 5 years why don't they sign players for the next five years and they want Rabiot and Arnautovic? Why did they offer ETH a 4 year contract then and not 6 or 7?

They rule by briefings and by hiding from responsibilities. Useless. Wouldn't even trust them to make coffee.

They don't know what they're doing. In 5 years it will be 10 years and so on

Bastian said:

We were told that under Solskjaer the plan was to reset the culture of the club and that it would take 3 years to become competitive and challenge for the league again. And now Sky Sports are reporting:

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It has been just over three years since Solskjaer was appointed permanent manager and he's since been sacked, Ralf's come in and laid all bare for the world to see, though we've now managed to hire a top class manager. Seems everyone above the manager is a mix of incompetent or taking up a position they previously have no experience in.

The next investor call is in early September and someone on Twitter said it was the first time it was due while there are active protests.

At the very least the owners need to be forced to state what the plan is going forward.

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The plan will be to maintain dividend payouts while leaving the club to deal with ever increasing loan repayments.

Exactly, it is all bs. We can be challenging next season with the right manager, players and structure. Which can start by getting a DoF and assessing whether we need a different manager by December. I would halt recruitment beside getting de Jong until I see that our current manager can at least make these player play as a cohesive unit. We have more than 24 players at United, there is no way all or even more than half of them are bad.

Seems to suggest our board have no idea how to actually manage a reboot, culturally or sportingly. You simply don't recruit mismatched pieces and you don't keep unnecessary assets around.

Not really a surprise. It was pretty obvious 3 years under Ole would be a monumental waste of everyone's time and money. Unfortunately, a second place finish seemed to trick the vast majority of United fans.

Ah well, better not try it then. That’s a shame.

Senior United figures, despite being aware of the scale of the anger, accept there is no quick fix to the present malaise.

Published two hours ago. If someone else doubts it's by design.

Just Glazernomics

Amadaeus said:

Exactly, it is all bs. We can be challenging next season with the right manager, players and structure. Which can start by getting a DoF and assessing whether we need a different manager by December. I would halt recruitment beside getting de Jong until I see that our current manager can at least make these player play as a cohesive unit. We have more than 24 players at United, there is no way all or even more than half of them are bad.

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Unfortunately all the good managers in world football are taken. We'd be left picking up the managerial equivalent of dregs if we went for a different one

Amadaeus said:

Exactly, it is all bs. We can be challenging next season with the right manager, players and structure. Which can start by getting a DoF and assessing whether we need a different manager by December. I would halt recruitment beside getting de Jong until I see that our current manager can at least make these player play as a cohesive unit. We have more than 24 players at United, there is no way all or even more than half of them are bad.

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You are still going on with this manager narrative! ETH is not fully to absolve of any blame yes, but it has been just 2 fecking games.

Your love for Poch does my head in. Are you sure you're not Poch himself?

Utter nonsense. The most clueless group of people i've ever seen. This can be fixed fairly quickly if there is will to do it and if we aren't afraid to hurt some players feelings.

Would like to see some real protest here to show they cant get away with these excuses. They're kicking the can down the road.

Quoting "The United Stand" now, are we?

We have kept trying short team fixes instead of accepting the truth that root and branch change has been needed. That mentality has been highlighted by continually bringing in old done "stars" and names. Schweinsteiger, Sanchez, Zlatan, Cavani, Ronaldo, Matic and Varane even, maybe Eriksen. Club afraid of dropping down to 9th/10th for a season, constant half measures that have led to nothing.

Others have said it, but to spend well over a Billion since Fergie retired to be this bad is some accomplishment.

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You are still going on with this manager narrative! ETH is not fully to absolve of any blame yes, but it has been just 2 fecking games.

Your love for Poch does my head in. Are you sure you're not Poch himself?

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That is why I said assess till December. I m not saying that he should be sacked now. But, if performance like this continues, he should be gone like nuno Santos. I don't mind overpaying for Dejong, but the likes of Arnatovic, rabiot, gakpo are just questions mark for me that has the potential to set us back further

It's truly incredible in the first place that a huge organization such as us had a plan to challenge for the league with practically an amateur level manager like Ole and with a deluted fan base such as ours getting behind Ole basically just for pure romanticism. Couldn't stand his so called football, his interviews, his match day selection, transfers or anything around the 3 last years.

Scrape that, get RR because we were wrong the first time.

Rangnick telling it as it is didn't do for the Glazers, BUT they hired again a coach that had around 80% support from our fan base. Of course they don't support him with budget and now there are "leaks" for 5 more years.

I'm not a fan of Ten Hag (especially his stubbornness for De Jong or nothing) and I don't think he will survive this year. But our once great club is in deep shit from a) Glazers, b) manager, c) fan base.
The fans including feckers like Scholes, Neville, Hargreaves etc played a huge role in the last 4(or even more) years for the shit we are now served. Where the feck were all those guys when we were served shit in a stick with Ole for 3 VERY long years?

Rangnick said we don't need 3 to 5 years to rebuild. Next thing we know he is sacked.

Anyway, the 3 or 5 years was frequently used by Ole to buy time because he knows that he is not up to the standard as Man Utd manager.

The 3 to 5 years numbers was randomly plucked from the thin air.

That's kind of how targets work. It's not like, hey, we said 3 years, 3 years ago, and even though we're now further behind than we were then, we will be back on top in no time. The plan 3 years ago failed, it was a shit plan.

Personally, I do think 5 years is probably best case scenario (without huge investment from the owners, which isn't realistic). The longer and further you're off the pace, the harder it is to catch up. We will lose out to other teams on transfer targets, because players and agents will avoid us if they have better options. To catch up, we don't merely need to match them, we need to exceed what other teams do in the market. We will have to piece together a team from transfer targets who are 4th, 7th, 10th choice in a position, or who have been overlooked by other teams, and hope they outperform the 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice signings our rivals make. We have to make a ton of excellent decisions with high success rate. On top of that, we need to change the culture of the dressing room, and hope that ETH can match Klopp and Pep in terms of developing a side.

We have a squad full of players who aren't good enough, have weak personalities, but are hard to get rid of. You can't force players to leave, you can't force teams to take our failures off our hands (unless the owners invest so much you can afford to virtually give them away, but again, won't happen with our owners). Best we can hope is that we can move them on gradually, and get a bit more out of them whilst they're here. It will take years.

Now, in an ideal world Glazers would think, we need to stop the rot or it will get worse, and invest a few hundred million. Realistically, they're more likely to take loans then invest their own cash if anything, but even more likely they will hope we can compete without such investment. So, the next hope is that we can compete purely with using a % of our revenue put back into the team. I'm sure their plan (or their hope) is that they can bypass major investment in the first team squad, and instead develop a youth recruitment system that can pick young talented players up for cheap and develop them, and improve the academy to develop its own. However, its hardly a unique plan, not a guaranteed success, and takes years to be fruitful. We have made loads of backroom adjustments in the past couple years but it's unclear yet if those changes will be successful. It's also unclear how we intend on developing these players. Are we going to go full Dortmund or Red Bull and give teenagers a starting XI place in order to enhance their development and encourage more talents to join us? Or are we going to try and become a Chelsea style loan farm, or do what numerous big teams do and sell youth products with buy back clauses?

Telsim said:

Senior United figures, despite being aware of the scale of the anger, accept there is no quick fix to the present malaise.

Published two hours ago. If someone else doubts it's by design.

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Quick fix . They are acting like we haven't been shit for 10 years now

Yes, because the timer is reset with every managerial change. The "rebuilding plan" is whatever the manager at the time thinks it should be. Ironically, at this club, the longer a manager has to fill the squad with his signings, the harder it is for the next manager to do the same.

As an example, the recruitment and contract extension decisions made under previous managers has resulted in ETH having to deal with a large number of players (AWB, Maguire, DDG, McTominay, Ronaldo, etc.) who neither fit with his playing style nor can be sold to recoup funds. Poch or the next poor soul who takes over from ETH (hopefully he's given time but you never know with this club) will immediately have to figure out what to do with a 5'8" CB on a 5 year contract.

That requires a plan, does it seem like we have one?

The club's estimates of how long fixing things will take have no value. The club does not seem to have the expertise within it to judge how far behind the best it is, nor what action is needed to fix things. Rangnick said it would take 3 transfer windows if we signed smart. That's only one year to get competitive. If we had the right people inside the club we could turn things around fast.

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The club's estimates of how long fixing things will take have no value. The club does not seem to have the expertise within it to judge how far behind the best it is, not what action is needed to fix things.

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They are clueless.

the years will be be keep added till the Glazers no longer own the club.

If the club actually meant that, then they probably shouldn't have employed Ole for the best part of 3-years. They are fecking clueless.

We haven’t actually changed anything beyond some personnel. We’re operating in the same way.

It will take more than that if we continue like this. We still have no fecking clue. Only by pure luck can we stumble upon a genius manager and successful formula.

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We haven’t actually changed anything beyond some personnel. We’re operating in the same way.

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But many people here actually believed that this would be a new start because we replaced Woodward with his college buddy who’s been part of the club since 2007. And Murtough. A new start would have been if we had hired a CEO and DoF who were best in class, with a track record of success.

It took Liverpool 30 years, wouldn't be surprised if United is only a third of the way through its own revival.

5 ? Make it 15 years.

Time is of no importance when you're clueless.

They’re chancers.

Best thing we can do is continuously look for change because they’re hoping we forget about their previous PR spins.

Sayros said:

It took Liverpool 30 years, wouldn't be surprised if United is only a third of the way through its own revival.

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Derby County were dominant during the 70s and they never recovered after declining.

Remember when Woodward told us to trust the process, and onfield performance doesn't effect what we can do off the pitch